Reasons of State - Final Choice

[maderas]

Aren't Lyria and Aedirn both already under Imperial occupation by the start of TW3? I don't think Saskia has a kingdom anymore. Depending on whether or not you spared Stennis in TW2, he either takes over as king and works against Saskia or Aedirn simply collapses anyway due to lack of a crown. I was under the impression that Aedirn gets steamrolled by Nilfgaard either way.

As for Emhyr being evil and Ciri becoming empress being a 'happier' ending... I think a certain level of ruthlessness is required to successfully rule an empire as vast as Nilfgaard's without getting bumped off yourself. The ending says she has basic human decency which seems to imply she'd be less cruel than Emhyr, but I'm skeptical you could run Nilfgaard without making the occasional bloody example.

 

[Willowhugger]

Aren't Lyria and Aedirn both already under Imperial occupation by the start of TW3? I don't think Saskia has a kingdom anymore. Depending on whether or not you spared Stennis in TW2, he either takes over as king and works against Saskia or Aedirn simply collapses anyway due to lack of a crown. I was under the impression that Aedirn gets steamrolled by Nilfgaard either way.

Nilfgaard invades in Assassin of Kings 2 so Saskia's Kingdom (Upper Aedirn) is under attack as well as Lower Aedirn (Stennis' potential kingdom). Saskia isn't there to stop it unless she's freed from her mind-control and Geralt is there to take her path.

But it's entirely possible she's working as part of the resistance.

Either way, leaving it in the hands of Nilfgaard is a gut punch.

I also, 100% agree about the Empress ending.

 

[carlos2033]

That's why TW3 went to great lengths to present the assassination as something personal to Geralt, because Radovid's actions threaten Triss, Yennefer, Zoltan directly along with Geralt himself and people who sympathize, Ciri and Dandelion included.

Most of Geralt's friends are either sympathetic or are part of that group that's being discriminated against.

Yes they did that part good making it personal, but when you start this quest its like game point you in one direction kill both Radovid and Djikstra that part i dont like, its like obvious choice not witcher game anymore with hard choices and consequences, this whole quest make no sense

 

[Willowhugger]

Yes they did that part good making it personal, but when you start this quest its like game point you in one direction kill both Radovid and Djikstra that part i dont like, its like obvious choice not witcher game anymore with hard choices and consequences, this whole quest make no sense

The scene is totally set on making you side with Roche, too, even if you strongly disagree with his actions.

Also....why is Dijkstra killing Roche?

I just realized this but wouldn't Roche JOIN Dijkstra if the option was total victory for the North? Yeah, you could argue that Roche is an enemy of a Redanian Empire but the partisans are still needed to win the war against Nilfgaard and if Roche was willing to surrender Temeria to Nilfgaard, he's bound to do it to Redania as a military alliance as part of a vassal state would help everyone.

 

[DuranA]

I just realized this but wouldn't Roche JOIN Dijkstra if the option was total victory for the North? Yeah, you could argue that Roche is an enemy of a Redanian Empire but the partisans are still needed to win the war against Nilfgaard and if Roche was willing to surrender Temeria to Nilfgaard, he's bound to do it to Redania as a military alliance as part of a vassal state would help everyone.

Ah that's the crux of the matter ain't it?

If Roche is willing to submit Temeria to Nilfgaard as a vassal state then why doesn't Dijkstra reveal that Nilfgaard's about to be defeated due to political instability.

Seriously I'm thinking that not even giving us a choice would have been better with the course of the war predetermined.

 

[carlos2033]

The scene is totally set on making you side with Roche, too, even if you strongly disagree with his actions.

Also....why is Dijkstra killing Roche?

I just realized this but wouldn't Roche JOIN Dijkstra if the option was total victory for the North? Yeah, you could argue that Roche is an enemy of a Redanian Empire but the partisans are still needed to win the war against Nilfgaard and if Roche was willing to surrender Temeria to Nilfgaard, he's bound to do it to Redania as a military alliance as part of a vassal state would help everyone.

The whole scene with Djikstra and Roche make no sense to me and pointing out to side with Roche, first Roche and Geralt are supposed to be friends plus Roche helps you defend Kaer Mohren and Djikstra refuse so why side wit him.

We get impresion that Djikstra knows every Geralt move, he is some sort of master spy so why take risk and attack witcher and special force comander, why would he think that Geralt would betray his friends, yes we as a player can choose to betray Roche but Djikstra look stupid to even consider attacking him, plus can`t he do that later why in front of Geralt.

So if we refuse his offer why he think he can beat witcher with broken leg, he is not even a soldier just a spy, why he let us tokill him can`t he just surrender and make us offer like Nilfgard cuz he think he can win war, so why is Temeria so important to die for it.

He calls himself a patriot and hater of Nilfgard so why not surrender why let us kill him like nothing, if he is a patriot and love his country like he said why doom her by dying there, he suposed to know that without him his country is destroyed cuz no one is left to lead her, i dont understand why he act so stupid

 

[moonknightgog]

Not a mention to Anais?
According to TW2 ending, she should reconquerer Temeria and became a queen.

 

[Willowhugger]

Not a mention to Anais?
According to TW2 ending, she should reconquerer Temeria and became a queen.

The problem is the Witcher usually subverts that sort of narrative. To make it properly Witcher-esque, she should have been born under an Eclipse and is a complete psychopath like Radovid.

Then again, I still think she's a poor substitute for Adda so I'm biased.

 

[leinad312]

I feel like Geralt attempts to stay neutral in politics, so I don't think he'd lose much sleep over Roche's deal with Nilfgaard. Yet he's quite loyal when it comes to his friends, so I doubt he'd stand aside while Roche and Ves are murdered. At that point in the game, I think Geralt would count those two as friends considering they risked their lives for him at Kaer Morhen.

 

[ScoiataelWarrior]

I saved Roche and Thaler because:
1. Dijkstra was the one attacking and trying to kill them. Not the other way around.
2. Dijkstra, while a nice guy at times, was always a bit of a slimy bastard who never appreciated Geralt's help.
3. Even if Nilfgaard got Aedirn and all the other kingdoms of the North in the deal, they would have conquered them anyway. So really it doesn't change anything.
4. It's better to have an autonomous Temeria to a Temeria completely under Nilfgaard's control.
5. The war ends sooner so less soldiers and civilians die.

 

[yagha]

You guys do realize that Temeria has already been defeated in battle and conquered, right? It's not like Roche and Thaler had any say in whom they 'sold out' or what kingdoms were defeated by Nilfgaard; I highly doubt Lyria and Rivia fell because Roche didn't lead Temerian insurgents through forests until his final breath.

So, with the country already having been lost, Roche and Thaler have two options:

1. Submit to Nilfgaard, which promises a decree of sovereignty
2. Submit to Redania, which promises nothing but complete annexation.

The choices are both pretty terrible for Temeria, but you folks have to realize that Temeria LOST before the game even started, and is thus gone. It can't win against Nilfgaard or Redania anymore, ever. Roche and Thaler seem to have realized this, and they'd rather support the one faction that offers them something, as opposed to the one that offers them nothing.

 

[OutgoingHermit]

Definitely the least satisfying quest resolution in the game, I think. There should be an option to spare Dijkstra or at least convince him of the stupidity of attacking Geralt right then and there.

Dijkstra is not an idiot. His decision to jump in and fight to the death against an angry witcher and a couple of hardened commandos is absolutely bizarre and completely out of character, in my opinion.

 

[ScoiataelWarrior]

You guys do realize that Temeria has already been defeated in battle and conquered, right? It's not like Roche and Thaler had any say in whom they 'sold out' or what kingdoms were defeated by Nilfgaard; I highly doubt Lyria and Rivia fell because Roche didn't lead Temerian insurgents through forests until his final breath.

So, with the country already having been lost, Roche and Thaler have two options:

1. Submit to Nilfgaard, which promises a decree of sovereignty
2. Submit to Redania, which promises nothing but complete annexation.

The choices are both pretty terrible for Temeria, but you folks have to realize that Temeria LOST before the game even started, and is thus gone. It can't win against Nilfgaard or Redania anymore, ever. Roche and Thaler seem to have realized this, and they'd rather support the one faction that offers them something, as opposed to the one that offers them nothing.

Dijkstra even signed the treaty with them but then decided to betray them so he could gain power.

 

[kl4user]

You guys do realize that Temeria has already been defeated in battle and conquered, right? It's not like Roche and Thaler had any say in whom they 'sold out' or what kingdoms were defeated by Nilfgaard; I highly doubt Lyria and Rivia fell because Roche didn't lead Temerian insurgents through forests until his final breath.

So, with the country already having been lost, Roche and Thaler have two options:

1. Submit to Nilfgaard, which promises a decree of sovereignty
2. Submit to Redania, which promises nothing but complete annexation.

The choices are both pretty terrible for Temeria, but you folks have to realize that Temeria LOST before the game even started, and is thus gone. It can't win against Nilfgaard or Redania anymore, ever. Roche and Thaler seem to have realized this, and they'd rather support the one faction that offers them something, as opposed to the one that offers them nothing.

We should remember that the game ignores Adda and Anais. This sovereignty is a joke. Who is going to rule Temeria and put things in order? Roche and Thaler? And all the nobility will accept it just like that? I don't think so from what I've seen in TW2? I say civil war, I say Temeria divided in smaller regions, each one with a different wannabe ruler.

Given the possibility of Adda being Raddovid's wife and Anais being in their care, I can see the opposite being much more realistic than Nilfgaard bowing down to Roche's pitful guerilla, which BTW has some support of Raddovid. And even if they were swallowed by Redania, at least Adda could see to it that the region of Temeria prospered anyway. She could rule that part and everything would go smoother.

 

[Goodmongo]

The worst part are all these so called righteous people on this forum pontificating about genocide, racism etc. Well guess what. Your ancestors and probably in the not to distant past, took part inexactly the same type of behavior. In fact each and everyone of you are bigoted and racist in your own way. You have hate the same as all of these characters. Every culture, clan or group will exclude others that don't look, act or think the same as they do. Get over it. It's nature, has been around since mankind formed and will be around till the end of the world.

As for the game you have three choices.

1) Let Radovid live which means Nilfgaard looses but his hunts go on. Radovid most likely takes over all of the north including Aderin eventually. This does fit into the neutrality of a witcher the best. But you can also justify it since that would be for personal reasons to save Yen and Triss from future worries.

2) Kill Radovid and side with Roche/Taylor. Nilfgaard wins the war. It is hard to do this to him. Roche and Ves came to help you fight the WIld Hunt. And you tell them that you own them for this favor. They came to your aid in your time of need. My Geralt is true to his friends and helps them in their time of need. Hence this was the basis of my choice. At least it allows Ciri to become a witcher is what she really wants to do, if the other choices are made correctly.

3) Kill Radovid and side with Dykstra. The north becomes it's own empire when it wins the war. Roche is dead. Who knows what happens to Ves. The north retains their own culture. Radovid's hunts are over. Dykstra does kill off the competition but they are not based on race or religion. The north prospers the same as Skiellige does as it focuses on rebuilding instead of more war.

What is the best is up to each of us.

EDIT: BTW Adda is dead. Doesn't matter what you did in TW1. By cannon she is dead in TW2 and that is the cannon that is brought into TW3.

 

[Willowhugger]

I saved Roche and Thaler because:
1. Dijkstra was the one attacking and trying to kill them. Not the other way around.
2. Dijkstra, while a nice guy at times, was always a bit of a slimy bastard who never appreciated Geralt's help.
3. Even if Nilfgaard got Aedirn and all the other kingdoms of the North in the deal, they would have conquered them anyway. So really it doesn't change anything.
4. It's better to have an autonomous Temeria to a Temeria completely under Nilfgaard's control.
5. The war ends sooner so less soldiers and civilians die.

Yeah, but Nilfgaard will just continue prosecuting the war after it solidifies its hold on Temeria.

 

[ztoka]

I feel like Geralt attempts to stay neutral in politics, so I don't think he'd lose much sleep over Roche's deal with Nilfgaard. Yet he's quite loyal when it comes to his friends, so I doubt he'd stand aside while Roche and Ves are murdered. At that point in the game, I think Geralt would count those two as friends considering they risked their lives for him at Kaer Morhen.

I agree w/ you here. I felt the same way. Why would Geralt stand by and let two friends, friends who helped in the battle of KM, get killed. Not to mention, Dij was always a d bag to Geralt in the game. It actually put a slight smile on my face when I got to kill Dij. Not to mention, Dijkstra only offers funds to "help" w/ the battle KM IF you let a lover/close friend be tortured. He won't even risk his own neck. And by this point in the game, what good is his $$? I couldn't help an ass like that come into power.

 

[Willowhugger]

You guys do realize that Temeria has already been defeated in battle and conquered, right? It's not like Roche and Thaler had any say in whom they 'sold out' or what kingdoms were defeated by Nilfgaard; I highly doubt Lyria and Rivia fell because Roche didn't lead Temerian insurgents through forests until his final breath.

So, with the country already having been lost, Roche and Thaler have two options:

1. Submit to Nilfgaard, which promises a decree of sovereignty
2. Submit to Redania, which promises nothing but complete annexation.

The choices are both pretty terrible for Temeria, but you folks have to realize that Temeria LOST before the game even started, and is thus gone. It can't win against Nilfgaard or Redania anymore, ever. Roche and Thaler seem to have realized this, and they'd rather support the one faction that offers them something, as opposed to the one that offers them nothing.

Eh, I resent the larger issue because Geralt points out Temeria could continue fighting to the Bloody Baron but they lost solely because morale was so low.

Nilfgaard can't continue fighting so it's lost.

The problem is that Dijkstra suddenly decides to become Alexander the Great and conquer everything.

It's a decision which really irritated me as it came off as very forced.

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I agree w/ you here. I felt the same way. Why would Geralt stand by and let two friends, friends who helped in the battle of KM, get killed. Not to mention, Dij was always a d bag to Geralt in the game. It actually put a slight smile on my face when I got to kill Dij. Not to mention, Dijkstra only offers funds to "help" w/ the battle KM IF you let a lover/close friend be tortured. He won't even risk his own neck. And by this point in the game, what good is his $$? I couldn't help an ass like that come into power.

Eh, I can't help but think about Velen. The Bloody Baron and his men are the Nilfgaardian's Men on the StreetTM for administrating their conquered territories. They're loyal Temerians but they're raping, pillaging, and plundering the land like there's no tomorrow.

Just listen to the stories they share in the inn on your way in.

And that's what Aedirn and Lyria is going to be subject to.