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ONLY_ONCE

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#61
Jan 29, 2015
2sorcwolf said:
Dragon's Dogma progressed monster fighting to more than just hacking away at their ankles and lowering their hit points.
Climbing a monster and flying into the air with it, is something I've only ever seen in cutscenes. I even had my AI companion catch me in the air after a harpy lifted me off the ground.

Maybe they can incorporate climbing monsters in the enhanced edition :)
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Fuck, I WISH, but I doubt it will ever happen.
I really don't think devs ever had monster climbing in mind for TW3. :( Oh well.. I bet it will still be fun tho. :)
 
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SageFox.326

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#62
Jan 29, 2015
Looks like something awesome, i didn't see Dragons Dogma fights. Online is coming to PC this year.

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Guy N'wah said:
They've said they're still working on the Xbox One performance; they think they can get it to 1080p, but no promises.

On PC, they're still working on Ultra-level (and presumably higher) performance, but a well-equipped PC plays the game fluently on High and clearly better than on PS4. So, no, performance on PC is not worrying.
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When they are playing the demo at just high with a gtx 980 at 35 FPS, when the recomended specs of i7 and gtx 770 are for 30fps, yes there is a worrying matter and it is the performance of the game.
 
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shawn_kh

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#63
Jan 29, 2015
ONLY ONCE said:
Fuck, I WISH, but I doubt it will ever happen.
I really don't think devs ever had monster climbing in mind for TW3. :( Oh well.. I bet it will still be fun tho. :)
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I'm sure Witcher 3 has some epic and unforgettable monster fights.
Don't forget about the riders of the wild hunt either. The scene that Geralt and one of the riders are getting at it in Sword of Destiny look like an epic showdown full of promises.
 
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SageFox.326

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#64
Jan 29, 2015
shawn_kh said:
I'm sure Witcher 3 has some epic and unforgettable monster fights.
Don't forget about the riders of the wild hunt either. The scene that Geralt and one of the riders are getting at it in Sword of Destiny look like an epic showdown full of promises.
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If some one remembers the dragon fight in the witcher 2, i think the witcher is more realistic than anime based japanese games xD and i like the japanse games and anime but the witcher is some product closer to game of thrones.
 
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thislsmadness

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#65
Jan 29, 2015
SageFox said:
Looks like something awesome, i didn't see Dragons Dogma fights. Online is coming to PC this year.

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When they are playing the demo at just high with a gtx 980 at 35 FPS, when the recomended specs of i7 and gtx 770 are for 30fps, yes there is a worrying matter and it is the performance of the game.
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If this was out next week? Sure. They've got 4 months of nothing but polish+optimization so I wouldn't worry about it.
 
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easeldooor

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#66
Jan 29, 2015
SageFox said:
If some one remembers the dragon fight in the witcher 2, i think the witcher is more realistic than anime based japanese games xD and i like the japanse games and anime but the witcher is some product closer to game of thrones.
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Well actually that's what triggered my memory. Dragon's dogma art style is similar to western rpgs. I highly recommend playing Dragon's dogma if you haven't. Here's how a griffin fight goes:
You wander around the open world then a Griffin swoops down from the sky. I can shoot it down with an arrow or I can get my AI companion to throw me up to its legs and I start climbing its body. The Griffon flies up in the sky and I hack away at it's neck which is a weak spot, till it comes crashing down to the ground.

Every monster is climbable and has different weak spots on its body. Wolves can drag you. You can use harpies to fly to ledges you can't reach.

Other features unrelated to Witcher 3. Your AI companions can also hold enemies in arm locks so you can stab them. Your character has a height and weight that you can select at the start, that affects your stamina and climbing ability.

Point is there's so many more things devs can do still, to make the world feel immersive and let you Role Play your character more naturally.

btw Dragon's Dogma runs on ps3, while you're saving up for a gtx 980 ;).
 
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Eddard20

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#67
Jan 29, 2015
SageFox said:
If some one remembers the dragon fight in the witcher 2, i think the witcher is more realistic than anime based japanese games xD and i like the japanse games and anime but the witcher is some product closer to game of thrones.
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My thoughts exactly. There's that video on youtube about why Witcher 3 is like Game of Thrones too, and it makes some good points.
 
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savioeven

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#68
Jan 29, 2015
Jack Bauer 24 said:
That's the most bold statement I've ever seen. Will they accomplish that? What exactly do they have to do to achieve it?
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I don't thing he is fucking with us,if you have read the books Or lore you would understand what he really meant by it
 
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moonknightgog

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#69
Jan 29, 2015
Isen'grim' said:
Dark Souls did redefine many aspects of action-RPGs. Because it was, again, focused, it was good at the parts it redefined
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No, Dark Souls is not an Action/RPG.
 
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ONLY_ONCE

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#70
Jan 29, 2015
2sorcwolf said:
Well actually that's what triggered my memory. Dragon's dogma art style is similar to western rpgs. I highly recommend playing Dragon's dogma if you haven't. Here's how a griffin fight goes:
You wander around the open world then a Griffin swoops down from the sky. I can shoot it down with an arrow or I can get my AI companion to throw me up to its legs and I start climbing its body. The Griffon flies up in the sky and I hack away at it's neck which is a weak spot, till it comes crashing down to the ground.

Every monster is climbable and has different weak spots on its body. Wolves can drag you. You can use harpies to fly to ledges you can't reach.

Other features unrelated to Witcher 3. Your AI companions can also hold enemies in arm locks so you can stab them. Your character has a height and weight that you can select at the start, that affects your stamina and climbing ability.

Point is there's so many more things devs can do still, to make the world feel immersive and let you Role Play your character more naturally.

btw Dragon's Dogma runs on ps3, while you're saving up for a gtx 980 ;).
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They are making a Dragon's Dogma 2, it's an online free to play game only for PS4 and PC.
It comes out this year, but it might be Japan only and the free to play worries me, if it ever makes it to the states.
I was hoping TW3 had this fun monster climbing in it, because now we my never get to do that again, it sucks, because if Dragon's Dogma had graphics like TW3 and a cool mature story, mixed with all the other cool new shit that we can now do in TW3, I would never, ever need to play another video game again, and I could just fucking die in peace!! lol.. :)
 
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RedFire01

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#71
Jan 29, 2015
Moonknightsg said:
No, Dark Souls is not an Action/RPG.
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Dark Souls is most certainly an Action RPG. It doesn't fit into ANY other genre.
 
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moonknightgog

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#72
Jan 29, 2015
RedFireTyrian said:
Dark Souls is most certainly an Action RPG. It doesn't fit into ANY other genre.
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It is a Dungeon Crawl. Action/RPG and Dungeon Crawl are both RPGs, but with an important difference. A Dungeon Crawl is an RPG where the most important part of the game is the combat system and the enemy encounter.
An Action/RPG is simply a classic RPG with an action combat system, where the most important feature is the quest design and the C&C system.
 
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randyrhoads

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#73
Jan 29, 2015
Is the info legit about the game running at 30fps?
 
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GuyNwah

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#74
Jan 29, 2015
randyrhoads said:
Is the info legit about the game running at 30fps?
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That's what's been repeatedly observed and stated. 30+ fps on High on the demonstrator PC (4790K, 8GB, GTX 980 4GB, SSD). I can live with that as long as there's a solid floor under that 30 fps. It hurts to get hit with a deep drop when you have to have the controls respond.
 
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Geralt_of_bsas

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#75
Jan 29, 2015
I honestly believe TW3 might redefine the RPG genre, now why CDPR says that I dont know because you can have many reasons/argument, but here's mine:

See, redefining in its literal sense, it means a game that changes what you think an RPG is or could tend to be, and TW3 could totally do that, its scope, scale and ambitiousness differs greatly from any other RPG ever made. All games have "intended weak points", that is, aspects that are sacrificed in favor of the core of the experience, and RPG's, one of the biggest most varied and complex genre in gaming, obviously tend to sacrifice a lot , hence why there are RPG sub-genres, some are about action and combat only, others mainly about story, others about a big world, others about power fantasies, etc.
TW3 could change that definition of RPGs to a certain point, it can change that thinking of RPG's being so big that they must focus on something and forget other important things.

When TW3 releases, Elder Scrolls and Fallout games wont be able to get away with "the world is so big that of course the story and other things arent gonna be high quality, its more about quantity and freedom", Dragon age and/or mass effect wont be able to get away with "the story is the main focus and it has RPG mechanics, so its just a detail that the movement of characters, animations and general gameplay is stiff". These are just simple superficial examples you guys get my point.

TW3 is about that, is about redefining what you thought an RPG was possible to be, and it already did that I dare to say Remember when the game was announced in early 2013? we were all saying "what?? its open world??!!!, will they be able to make a witcher game TW2's incredible graphics but open world??" and guess what, the graphics are MUCH better than in TW2, our expectations, have been destroyed and surpassed.
Remember when we didnt even expect the game was going to let you jump, climb, ride on horses, swim, go in boats?, if anyone would've suggested such a thing here, most people would've responded to them that it would be impossible or too hard, and that TW3 already focusing on amazing audiovisual storytelling and an open world was enough. But we can do that, and what about the animals and their natural behaviour? what about a weather system that simulates wind and affects water gradually? what about an open world thats mostly wilderness but with cities that are much bigger than just 12 buildings?

All of those things, take or leave some for each person's personal expectations, made the group of "awesome stuff other games might have, but that will likely be sacrificed as it is in any other RPG game made because TW3 is already super ambitious", well, they are all in, and I think they have redefined what we expect from RPGs now. People will never be able to look at other games's worlds, mechanics, and quests, without using TW3 as a new base bar to measure them.

Look at Dragon Age Inquisition, it got extremely favorable reviews, and for what I hear a lot of people like it, are these people suddenly blind to its horrible fetch MMO quests? are they blind to its static fake scenery that is worse than that of TW1 for example? no they are not, what happens is that they give the game a free pass, why?, because its a HUGE open world, and it has great modern AAA graphics, and voice actors for everyone, and its an RPG and bla bla bla, point is, they understand those as necessary/reasonable sacrifices, thats their definition of what an RPG can hope to be, awesome and big and good looking, but not with far cry 3's animals, or with Baldur's gate's dialogues and choices, or with asscreed 4's animations and movement.

Im not saying TW3 has EVERYTHING, of course not, but it has way more than pretty much any other RPG we've seen, an thus, much more than what probably most gamers thought an RPG could have.
 
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frivolousam

Senior user
#76
Jan 29, 2015
Geralt_of_bsas said:
Remember when we didnt even expect the game was going to let you jump, climb, ride on horses, swim, go in boats?, if anyone would've suggested such a thing here, most people would've responded to them that it would be impossible or too hard, and that TW3 already focusing on amazing audiovisual storytelling and an open world was enough.
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Just a month ago my only hope for horses was to be good animated and controlled fluidly. Now we learned that horses in this game have brains also! This shows CDPR tries not to settle for "good enough" and apparently succeeds most of the time.
 
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easeldooor

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#77
Jan 30, 2015
ONLY ONCE said:
They are making a Dragon's Dogma 2, it's an online free to play game only for PS4 and PC.
It comes out this year, but it might be Japan only and the free to play worries me, if it ever makes it to the states.
I was hoping TW3 had this fun monster climbing in it, because now we my never get to do that again, it sucks, because if Dragon's Dogma had graphics like TW3 and a cool mature story, mixed with all the other cool new shit that we can now do in TW3, I would never, ever need to play another video game again, and I could just fucking die in peace!! lol.. :)
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Ha, that's why I post features of other games, maybe they can add them all to Witcher 3 post release and make it truly the best game so far. GTA5 seems close but I don't like the setting.

RPG labels are kind of outdated. When you think about it, Witcher 2/3 has more in common with Arkham, rdr, assassins creed, shadows of mordor, than say Dragon age series. I delayed playing the Witcher series because it seemed more like a character driven game than a traditional RPG. I wasn't into the character or the story setting at the time, but the Witcher 3 trailers opened my eyes. I think the Witcher game design features are probably weaker than the other games but its story telling is more interesting, like a Tell Tale game.
 
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Ancient76

Senior user
#78
Jan 30, 2015
You really can't redefine RPG today.
What you can redefine is open world RPG like game, if you fill it with quality/quantity.
Nobody did this so far. The closest that we have to this is Fallout New Vegas.
 
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ONLY_ONCE

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#79
Jan 30, 2015
ancient76 said:
You really can't redefine RPG today.
What you can redefine is open world RPG like game, if you fill it with quality/quantity.
Nobody did this so far. The closest that we have to this is Fallout New Vegas.
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..and once again, that's not a cool fantasy world like TW3. lol...
 
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frivolousam

Senior user
#80
Jan 30, 2015
For me also New Vegas is the best open world RPG as of now. I'm sure Wild Hunt will surpass it tho. Games can be compared to an extent but I like both fallout and witcher universe; they are very different, shouldn't be compared.
 
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