Romance and books (poll)

[TreesAreCanon]

As we say in Italy: Non c'è due senza tre (There is not two without three)

Ciri spun on her heel and stood still for a moment, undecided, as if waiting - waiting for something that could not happen. Then she ran swiftly up the stairs. They heard the door slam.
'Too severe, Wolf,' said Vesemir. 'Much too severe. And you shouldn't have done it in Triss's presence. The emotional ties—'
'Don't talk to me about emotions. I've had enough of all this talk about emotions!'
'And why is that?' The magician smiled derisively and coldly. 'Why, Geralt? Ciri is normal. She has normal feelings, she accepts emotions naturally, takes them for what they really are. You, obviously, don't understand and are therefore surprised by them. It surprises and irritates you. The fact that someone can experience normal love, normal hatred, normal fear, pain and regret, normal joy and normal sadness. That it is coolness, distance and indifference which are considered abnormal. Oh yes, Geralt, it annoys you, it annoys you so much that you are starting to think about Kaer Morhen's vaults, about the Laboratorium, the dusty demijohns full of mutagenic poisons—'
'Triss!' called Vesemir, gazing at Geralt's face, suddenly grown pale. But the enchantress refused to be interrupted and spoke faster and faster, louder and louder.
'Who do you want to deceive, Geralt? Me? Her? Or maybe yourself? Maybe you don't want to admit the truth, a truth everyone knows except you? Maybe you don't want to accept the fact that human emotions and feelings weren't killed in you by the elixirs and Grasses! You killed them! You killed them yourself! But don't you dare kill them in the child!'
'Silence!' he shouted, leaping from the chair. 'Silence, Merigold!'
He turned away and lowered his arms defencelessly. 'Sorry,' he said quietly. 'Forgive me, Triss.' He made for the stairs quickly, but the enchantress was up in a flash and threw herself at him, embracing him.
'You are not leaving here alone,' she whispered. 'I won't let you be alone. Not right now.'

You already made me cry over this shit a long time ago. I have built some resistance against your dirty sorcery, witch!
You think you can play with me so easily? I'm not your toy. You have no power he... no, that wasn't a teardrop, I swear.

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/thre...LERS-Oh-well?p=1861774&viewfull=1#post1861774

Well, that was almost two months ago. Are you planning on making me feel bad in any shorter intervals? I HOPE NOT.
You think I forget? You think I forgive? For now, I'll just try to endure and survive this, but I shall claim my vengeance!

Holy shit, book Triss is just amazing. Beautiful story of a maturing woman fighting with her inner demons. Breathtaking.
A very long and hard path with so many stumbles, wrong decisions and sacrifices... Every obstacle which Triss had to
face made her even more magnificent of a character. It is what she should be praised for, the difficulty and damage of
her character and what she had to deal with and move on. Very much just like Yennefer herself, they both fought hard.
Sometimes even between each other. Every mistake, every bad decision fills me with admiration and sympathy. Triss
in the books is a character very realistic, one you can relate to, and perhaps see a little bit of yourself in her. It was the
immense weight she had to carry inside, the weight of ugly fucking demons of fear, rejection and insecurity - that made
LotL Chapter Twelve possible. More I think about it, more sense it makes. Triss and her path is a symbol... We can all
overcome our fear if we're determined enough, no matter how hard it is... We just have to fight back and hope for better.
CDPR decided to make her character a lot easier, something inbetween mature and immature. Cursed insecurity again.
She managed to defeat it a long time ago, but there it is. I kind of feel like her character lacks the meaning of the path
Triss had to survive in the books, which was nothing easy at all and something very admirable... And because of that,
I tend to lose my sympathy rather quick. I don't feel good about that creation. Just my opinion on The Witcher 3 Triss.

I have already heard that voice, Yennefer thought. From those wooded lips without a droplet of saliva left to wet them.
From those lips paralysed with fear. I have already heard her speak with that voice... On the Hill at Sodden.
When she was dying in fear. Now she is dying in fear again. Until her time comes, she is going to be afraid.
Because those who cannot defeat their weakness will be dying in fear until the end of their days.

Another thing: imagine CDPR Triss looked like this (as in books). Credit goes to http://cloudsdevourer.deviantart.com/

I just don't recognize TW3 Triss and fail to sympathize with her character. Having the ending with Triss is something
I can't do, reading the books for over 10 years has a very little impact on me, compared to her actual TW3 portrayal.
With this I'm even more disappointed than with the lack of Yen and Ciri content... I suppose I can understand game
design choices (androcentric narrative design) more than being lazy about character design (Triss, Dijkstra, Eredin).

 

[xxRENEGADExx]

I dont really understand what's wrong with Triss for you in games? ??? [Except apperance, and some books qoutes, that she said in TW1]. She should not be fearless or well-mature in TW3. She is still young for sorceresses. She can, now, overcome fears instead of numb with fear, like she did in the end of books saga.

 

[xxgwxx]

I think the problem is with the inconsistency of her portrayal : you have 3 different Trisses - from W1,W2 and W3. JMO

 

[zanzibar_007]

I'm still neutral, I still love both. It's not my fault Geralt is a masochist! (;

So a man-Mutant like Geralt who has black dog is a masochist by nature...all right, i m learnning something today.

Geralt is the kind of man who always Dreams that the events, the real events, could have a better occur, so because of that he is a masochist.


A good one. /facepalm

It is totally exaggerated, even more if i think about his relationships with Sorceresses.

End of the HS.

 

[xxRENEGADExx]

inconsistency

more details? I can agree on TW1 statement.

 

[Zyvik]

more details? I can agree on TW1 statement.

Trissefer in TW1,a damsel in distress in TW2,a girl next door in TW3.

 

[xxRENEGADExx]

Trissefer in TW1,a damsel in distress in TW2,a girl next door in TW3.

Or maybe

Woman from high society and a member of the Lodge in tw1, outlaw in tw2 and woman, who tries to start new life in tw3? ???

 

[xxgwxx]

It's more about her personality tho, that it seems to change from game to game

 

[Zyvik]

Or maybe

Woman from high society and a member of the Lodge in tw1, outlaw in tw2 and woman, who tries to start new life in tw3? ???

Triss' character in TW1 is a complete mess.In the prologue she acts like Triss,but in the second half of the game she's a weird mix of Triss,Yennefer and Fringilla.She even quotes Philippa at one point.

 

[Avin]

Haven't read all of the posts but iI would say people who played TW1 and TW2, get a fair bond with Triss, then read the books, will choose Triss.

People who have read the books before the game, I think these guys will choose Yen.

Trissefer in TW1,a damsel in distress in TW2,a girl next door in TW3.

Agreed. There are three Trisses in the games.

It's kinda strange, I posted this before, she seems to get younger with time. From "Trissefer" (which wasn't Triss or Yennefer, nor have these girls qualities at all) to girl next door.

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Or maybe

Woman from high society and a member of the Lodge in tw1, outlaw in tw2 and woman, who tries to start new life in tw3? ???

Voice acting changes too.

 

[Zyvik]

Agreed. There are three Trisses in the games.

It's kinda strange, I posted this before, she seems to get younger with time. From "Trissefer" (which wasn't Triss or Yennefer, nor have these girls qualities at all) to girl next door.

It' also seems like her appearance changes with each game along with her personality.Look at this 'evolution':

 

[xxRENEGADExx]

Triss' character in TW1 is a complete mess.In the prologue she acts like Triss,but in the second half of the game she's a weird mix of Triss,Yennefer and Fringilla.She even quotes Philippa at one point.

As I said above - I can agree on tw1 "oddities". But as for me - her demeanor could be explained by "confidence". At that time she is respected person in Temeria and a member of the Lodge. But still Triss...

Voice acting changes too.

Yeah. In tw1 was another voice actress. [In Russian loc even Geralt has another voice actor in tw1]

 

[Tooters]

So a man-Mutant like Geralt who has black dog is a masochist by nature...all right, i m learnning something today.

Geralt is the kind of man who always Dreams that the events, the real events, could have a better occur, so because of that he is a masochist.


A good one. /facepalm

It is totally exaggerated, even more if i think about he's relationships with Sorceresses.

Hmm.. Someone.

Geralt is a masochist when it comes to love - He passes on all the women who he could have had a perfectly nice, quiet, and easy relationship with for the woman who drives him crazy, Yennefer, lets see;

Essi - Simply perfect - kind, intelligent, ferocious temper when tested, artistic and beautiful, not magical and loves him despite him not seeing himself as a normal man.
Triss - Reasonable, kind, sympathetic, gentle, altruistic, able to see his inner problems, is broken herself, wont take his mopey shit and is willing to state her opinions to his face.

etc.

While on the other hand his relationship with Yennefer is full of pain, toil, loneliness but is also extremely passionate and a true love.

A passionate but self destructive relationship where they keep breaking up, but cannot put each other out of their minds.

I didn't mean he literally likes her to physically hurt him...

 

[Zyvik]

As I said above - I can agree on tw1 "oddities". But as for me - her demeanor could be explained by "confidence". At that time she is respected person in Temeria and a member of the Lodge. But still Triss...

She acted like Triss in TW1 at certain points(mostly in the prologue).But the way she interacted with Geralt and the others was very Yennefer-like.

 

[Sephira]

Triss' chapters in Blood of Elves are among my favorite chapters in the books.Shocking,right?And her argument with Geralt about neutrality is her best moment in the series(books AND games).Merigold's Hailstorm was pretty awesome as well.Such a shame this spell was never mentioned in TW3

And that, about neutrality, it's an important passage in the books. A lot of things in Blood of Elves acquire more importance in the last books.
After this part, Triss genuinely tried to put a single foot in two stirrups and that didn't end well. Call it whatever you want, being weakness or fear of Filippa (or worse, betrayal) but the following events acquire more strenght if you think about BoE chapter 3.

You already made me cry over this shit a long time ago. I have built some resistance against your dirty sorcery, witch!
You think you can play with me so easily? I'm not your toy. You have no power he... no, that wasn't a teardrop, I swear.

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/thre...LERS-Oh-well?p=1861774&viewfull=1#post1861774

-Very interesting bit, I have nothing to add or say-

Spoiler

 

[Zyvik]

They should've used hail instead of fireballs in this card.Such a missed opportunity.

 

[Pug.]

Hmm.. Someone.

Geralt is a masochist when it comes to love - He passes on all the women who he could have had a perfectly nice, quiet, and easy relationship with for the woman who drives him crazy, Yennefer, lets see;

Essi - Simply perfect - kind, intelligent, ferocious temper when tested, artistic and beautiful, not magical and loves him despite him not seeing himself as a normal man.
Triss - Reasonable, kind, sympathetic, gentle, altruistic, able to see his inner problems, is broken herself, wont take his mopey shit and is willing to state her opinions to his face.

etc.

While on the other hand his relationship with Yennefer is full of pain, toil, loneliness but is also extremely passionate and a true love.

A passionate but self destructive relationship where they keep breaking up, but cannot put each other out of their minds.

I didn't mean he literally likes her to physically hurt him...

After reading your post, I looked up Essi Daven on Google (I haven't read the books, so wasn't familiar with her), and boy is her story sad. I love Geralt, but that guy can be a jackass sometimes. She kind of reminds me of Priscilla.

 

[Gilthoniel]

While on the other hand his relationship with Yennefer is full of pain, toil, loneliness but is also extremely passionate and a true love.

Hmm I'm confused didn't you say few pages ago:

I still think that Yenna is Geralt's true soulmate, but Triss is still a true love of his.

:secret:

 

[Tooters]

After reading your post, I looked up Essi Daven on Google (I haven't read the books, so wasn't familiar with her), and boy is her story sad. I love Geralt, but that guy can be a jackass sometimes. She kind of reminds me of Priscilla.

I 1000% recommend 'The Last Wish' and 'Sword of Destiny' - They are my favourite two books.

 

[Zyvik]

After reading your post, I looked up Essi Daven on Google (I haven't read the books, so wasn't familiar with her), and boy is her story sad. I love Geralt, but that guy can be a jackass sometimes. She kind of reminds me of Priscilla.

Yeah,Geralt broke so many hearts.Essi,Triss,Fringilla,Mozaik...Have I missed anyone?