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Phinnway

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#221
Nov 9, 2014
crimzonwarrior said:
Speaking of Sex in the Witcher who else had totally needless sex with this woman after finding out where Triss was instead of rescuing her?

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I did. I hope she is back in The Witcher 3! Heck, I'll even move in with her if they give W3 a legit housing system.
archav3n said:
CDPR should do their next game (probably Cyberpunk)? So protagonist are not tied to book characters and they are free to romance any girl they want in the game? Ala Skyrim?
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Technically they could do that in Witcher 3. But keep in mind dumping a sorceress isn't a very wise thing to do :p
 
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BlackWolf500.298

Forum veteran
#222
Nov 10, 2014
slimgrin said:
The question is will Geralt get a choice outside of Triss or Yen when it comes to a final woman to settle on. And will the women now react if he's unfaithful. Would've been nice if Triss at least mentioned I was hitting up the brothels, Ves, the Succubus etc. I can't imagine Yen being ok with that.
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Tbh,

1. I do not know if Geralt ever told her or Triss ever asked him
2. Judging from the books it's kind of always "not a big deal". I mean heck, Yen did also know Geralt had some action in between and she didn't make a drama out of it. I know it's kind of weird but... is it possible this is considered as relatively normal? Especially since this world is rather dark and cynical and since Geralt never had real committed and actively-holding relationships. Even between him and Yen it was this on-and-off again thing, at least in terms of sex.
 
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Senteria

Forum veteran
#223
Nov 10, 2014
I just wonder... in real life sex is fine as long as both parties consent to it. I get the feeling though that if it's not meaningful sex, people will look at it cheaply. I suppose that if Geralt would be able to have sex with an ordinary woman that Geralt doesn't have emotional attachment for, there will be people complaining that the woman is in there just as a lust object and it's very cheap that they put her in there.

There are women out there who like to have sex just for the sex of it irl so why would it be bad to portray this in video games? Of course the woman in particular in the game needs to have some personality and maybe you need to get to know her a little bit.

Meh, I don't know. I am just sprouting ideas and things in my head. I'll just wait and see what TW 3 will bring to the table.
 
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Vigilance.492

Ex-moderator
#224
Nov 10, 2014
senteria said:
There are women out there who like to have sex just for the sex of it irl so why would it be bad to portray this in video games? Of course the woman in particular in the game needs to have some personality and maybe you need to get to know her a little bit.
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I don't know how deep into this discussion we want to get, as it tends to be as treacherous as quicksand, however I'll make a comment.

When it comes down to it, I don't see it as a problem, but for many people (And not even feminists or SJW's) there's a point where it crosses the line.
If you walked up to random women in the street, and offered them $1,000 to have sex with you, chances are the vast, vast majority would turn you down, even if you were an attractive guy. I'm sure there's a few weird ones out there that would agree, but I'd put my money on it being super rare (Most would question, "What's the catch?" I assume). So when you have "Sex Options" like in TW1 where bedding a woman was as simple as giving her a fucking Kikimore Claw, or Gloves, that's the point where you've crossed the line for a number of people.
On the other hand, Geralt is famous, and some people might be intrigued by the idea of bedding a Witcher, not to mention they can't pass on STD's or get you pregnant. So it's not completely ridiculous, and that's why I personally don't feel it crosses the line, but many people out there it would, and I do understand that.
However then there's a situation like Vesna. You save her, walk her all the way home, it's not completely implausible that she would offer you a "reward" for doing that, since she's a poor country gal and you just saved her life, twice. Sex encounters like Celina, Abigail and Vesna are plausible and that's the kind of minor encounters which shouldn't be removed, and even if they ask you're totally free just to turn them down and ignore the sex component.

Ultimately I wasn't angry at all when many of the random sex encounters got gutted in TW2. The game's story and fast pacing due to the events tended to nullify that and I was happy that at least those little minor encounters (Like Vesna) in the form of the Succubus or the Elf remained in-tact. I really hope they haven't gutted those as well in favor of JUST having the main Yen/Triss romance storylines, because to me those little encounters where they made sense were neat, interesting and some times even added flavor to the characters themselves (Like Celina or Abigail) and assuming that TW3 takes itself a little slower paced with the open world, it's a great opportunity to scatter the world with a number of those situations.

However as I said, I don't have any problems with the removal of basic, "Here's a Sapphire, now fuck me", encounters with completely random women in the world (Unless you're in a brothel), because that's the kind of stuff that's probably pushing it and is ridiculous for a lot of people. When you're trying to write a serious "Novel-like" story, that's the kind of stuff that comes off as juvenile and inappropriate unless there's a REALLY good reason for it.
 
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Senteria

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#225
Nov 10, 2014
Well I have to agree on everything you said, Vigilance.
 
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Mataresa

Rookie
#226
Nov 10, 2014
Well consider that games are still being held up to a different standard than other forms of media or even real life. There are always people who complain about violence. Many topics like torture, exploitation and also sex are normal to be explored or discussed in other media, but there is an outcry when it comes to games. Hell, if you want to make the protagonist a bad guy, so many people go on the fence. There are many stories that could be explored, but we are not able to, because they would get banned or at least censored in many countries. That was also a nice point in the GamerGate discussion: People Anti GamerGate complain games are not inclusive enough, but at the same time condemn many games, whenever they try to dare to present a different narrative or a minority character.
 
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whiplash27

Senior user
#227
Nov 10, 2014
As long as its done tastefully and can be avoided if the player chooses, then I could care less about how CDPR does the sex in the game. Sex makes up less than 1% of the total game. If the game were to take 100 hours to complete, you'd have to spend an hour having sex for it to take 1% of your total game time. I don't see that happening.

Also, I'd honestly rather see one or two really well done sequences like the Elven Baths than have 100 different romps that take like 15 seconds and serve no purpose other than to show how much the women love Geralt.
 
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BlackWolf500.298

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#228
Nov 10, 2014
Mataresa said:
Well consider that games are still being held up to a different standard than other forms of media or even real life. There are always people who complain about violence. Many topics like torture, exploitation and also sex are normal to be explored or discussed in other media, but there is an outcry when it comes to games. Hell, if you want to make the protagonist a bad guy, so many people go on the fence. There are many stories that could be explored, but we are not able to, because they would get banned or at least censored in many countries. That was also a nice point in the GamerGate discussion: People Anti GamerGate complain games are not inclusive enough, but at the same time condemn many games, whenever they try to dare to present a different narrative or a minority character.
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Please, when Mass Effect (1) came out there was a webpage with an article in which the author ridiculously claimed Mass Effect would be an "Alien Sex Simulator" and he whole game would consist of Sex.

People (and especially the media) will always push stories and make up details that are not true to let all this sound more scandalous than it is.
But if a game is mature, labeled 18+ / M and if the scenes are optional, skipable and tasteful then there is NO WAY IN HELL that anyone should feel bad about this. Any publicity coming from this will just be more free advertising for The Witcher.

If you can't handle a mature view on sexuality and violence then do not play the game, right guys? :)

(PS: Just to make that clear, I did not mean YOU with the last sentence @Mataresa , I meant the people complaining about those things.)
 
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Ljesnjanin

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#229
Nov 10, 2014
I consider sex in Witcher games as a minor thing, and completely optional...Well, except Yenn...My Geralt don't care about Vesna, Shani, Triss or some nameless prostitute...Only woman that really matters is Yennefer :wub:
 
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Haralder

Forum regular
#230
Nov 10, 2014
BlackWolf500 said:
I am sure however that TW3 will also feature at least the 1 or 2 "one night stands" along the way. I mean come on, it's Geralt we are talking about. It's not like he didn't do it in the books either, right?
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I want to have as many love affairs as possible, even more than there were in the books. As you may know from the books, Geralt has a passion for women. After his long travels and deadly encounters all what we want for Geralt is a chance to to have some pretty girl in every second village to let off some steam in a secluded haystack.
 
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Ljesnjanin

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#231
Nov 11, 2014
Hm...Zerikanian girl, Essi, Fringilla Vigo, Iola.
Lytta Neyd in Season of Storms
And there is 8 books...So, Geralt's not having sex with every girl he meet :D
 
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BethesdaWare

Rookie
#232
Nov 12, 2014
I'm expecting sex to be handled the same way it was in TW2. There will be a few serious relationships (Triss, Yennefer, etc.) and then one-night stands either with prostitutes or other side characters. Overall I'm expecting the sex scenes to be purely optional like they were in TW2, and only accessible if you choose to engage. Hopefully, the sex scenes this go-around have been greatly improved due to higher graphical fidelity and more accurate animation production.
 
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BethesdaWare

Rookie
#233
Nov 12, 2014
Romance/Sex tied to main plot and quests or relationship building?

The Witcher series has always prided itself on being a choice-driven, non-linear storytelling experience. For the most part, this is certainly true and the choices you make drive the experience forward. One aspect I believe CDPR could potentially handle better is romance and sex scenes. The way they were handled in TW2 is they were essentially either mandatory (the first moment you see Triss at the beginning) or tied to the main plot or a quest (Rose of Remembrance).

Now, this isn't a necessarily bad way of providing romance in the game. However, because it's tied to the plot and only happens at certain intervals, it takes choice away from the player in the sense that you aren't really building a relationship or having discussions with these characters a lot. Yes, you had to choose certain decisions for Triss to have sex with Geralt, but overall it was rather straightforward and simple. If possible, I would like for these encounters to be more meaningful and not just "lets have sex" or "I'll pass."

CDPR could take some cues from BioWare with respect to having to gain the approval rating of certain characters up overtime. For example with Triss, based on your discussions with her separate from the main plot, it would make building that relationship much more personal and player-controlled. There would also be certain thresholds one would meet to unlock the various sex scenes if you so desire. It would just make the experience more independent and organic rather than having to necessarily wait to get to the Rose of Remembrance part of the game where these scenes are clearly locked and limited.

Anybody have thoughts on romance being more player-controlled and not necessarily driven by the main story of the game?
 
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Alexdz

Rookie
#234
Nov 12, 2014
I'd rather have what CDPR are doing than Bioware's "building relationships" method which is nothing more than following a checklist of requirements . Have three conversations with a character and you two fuck, how organic.

Not to mention cringe worthy moments like Tali singing, what the hell were they thinking with that?
 
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Kinley

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#235
Nov 12, 2014
alexdz said:
I'd rather have what CDPR are doing than Bioware's "building relationships" method which is nothing more than following a checklist of requirements . Have three conversations with a character and you two fuck, how organic.

Not to mention cringe worthy moments like Tali singing, what the hell were they thinking with that?
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This all the way.

So far romances in previous games were handled pretty ok (even though W1 had some terrible situations, I'll admit), but there's always room for improvement of course. Relationship building in Witcher games have always felt very natural to me(despite Geralt's amnesia), romantic situations always coming up when it made sense, and they have been very limited as well, always to one or two people, with the occasional fooling around on the side (which don't really count imo, since there's no "relationship building" involved). I feel that the limited numbers of choices also gave the player a sense of "intimacy" when choosing to get involved. Witcher 2 especially, handled it interestingly, since you only had one real choice, so you either accepted the romantic involvement or decided to ignore it.

I'm curious to see where Witcher 3 will lead us, especially when you think of the characters that might be involved in the possible choice that will ensue.
 
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Vigilance.492

Ex-moderator
#236
Nov 12, 2014
I'd prefer the romance to be driven by the Story.

I'll take 100 Elven Bath moments and relationships like what we saw between Geralt/Triss in TW2 over a single BioWare romance any day.
When I was younger I used to love BioWare romances and the way you could easily just talk to someone at the right times, say the right stuff or give them items to increase affection and I could easily be "in a romance" with that character. As I've grown up I've learnt to just loathe it, it feels so clunky and actually seems like the opposite of romance.

Obviously The Witcher 2's opening would be a little jarring if you romanced Shani in TW1, but for people who chose Triss and newcomers it worked brilliantly. For people who chose Triss they obviously knew why the 2 were together and it felt like a natural continuation of the pre-established romance. For the newcomers (Like myself) we were met by this random naked woman, no idea who she was and then fought with her, engaged with her and naturally grew to like her over the course of the first 2 Chapters of the game. By the time you get to the Elven Baths sequence you already really care for Triss, and can feel the obvious bond between her and Geralt, you can either chose to just label this as a 'good friendship' (Which it easily passes off as), or you can take it for something more and engage in the Elven Baths scene.

Most importantly, it felt a lot more natural and organic than I think any romance I've seen previously in a video game. There was subtle elements at play and ultimately there was the choice that you the player still got to make (Is she just a friend? Or more?) right down to whether you actually have sex with her, and that's without having "affection" dialogue options or items.

If the Writers can handle both Yen & Triss's romances in TW3 with the same level of finesse that they did Triss in TW2, I'll be 100% happy. If they can improve upon it even further then I'll be totally blown away.
 
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mitasova

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#237
Nov 12, 2014
alexdz said:
I'd rather have what CDPR are doing than Bioware's "building relationships" method which is nothing more than following a checklist of requirements . Have three conversations with a character and you two fuck, how organic.

Not to mention cringe worthy moments like Tali singing, what the hell were they thinking with that?
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I like sex. I hope there's sex in the Witcher 3.

Seriously, I agree withthis. Not that I dislike Bioware games (well, I like Mass Effect), but their dealing with romances mostly makes me cringe. They're incredibly skin deep and formulaic. I much more prefer the Witcher approach where there is one romance option, two tops, and the rest are just sex for anyone who feels inclined.
 
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Ljesnjanin

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#238
Nov 12, 2014
Vigilance said:
If the Writers can handle both Yen & Triss's romances in TW3 with the same level of finesse that they did Triss in TW2, I'll be 100% happy. If they can improve upon it even further then I'll be totally blown away.
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That will be the challenge, no doubt about it...But I'm convinced we will be blown away :) I mean this is the end of Geralt's saga, it must be fantastic! :D
Speaking of sex, I wouldn't mind to meet:
Fringilla Vigo :wub: In library if possible
 
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Sephira

Forum veteran
#239
Nov 12, 2014
Ljesnjanin said:
And there is 8 books...So, Geralt's not having sex with every girl he meet :D
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Try to explain this to people who are convinced that Geralt is sex god and they can't realize it's the player the real horny guy in the game :teeth:
 
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KingHochmeister

Forum veteran
#240
Nov 12, 2014
Synvael said:
Try to explain this to people who are convinced that Geralt is sex god and they can't realize it's the player the real horny guy in the game :teeth:
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Exactly, and every sexual scene in the Witcher games (except the intro of Witcher 2 of course) are the player's own choice.
 
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