I know that to most this is a small part of the game but I was just thinking about Yenifer and Tris you see I like Triss and I don't know anything about Yenifer (not finished the witcher 2 yet and I haven't read any of the books) my point is do you think we as players will be given the choice as to where Gerult end up? that is assuming that they don't kill Gerult off in the end.
I find that having some form of LI in a game can add depth if done right I avoided it in The first game as the card collecting thing was a bit childish for my taste but they did a far better job in the witcher 2.
What? If you mean in The WItcher world, humm not really but yes overall but maybe you did not read the post above.
slimgrin said:
I find that having some form of LI in a game can add depth if done right I avoided it in The first game as the card collecting thing was a bit childish for my taste but they did a far better job in the witcher 2.
It's all in the writing and implementation. You can have cheap ME3-style romances, which involve one or two lines of dialogue, or you can make it a lot more subtle. If they gave us a choice in TW3 and made Geralt either favour Yennifer, Triss or someone else (or none at all) I wouldn't mind as long as the writing was good.
yes I agree that is one of the things I like about the witcher (and most bioware games) the PC (gerult) isn't an island he has Friends that have an opinion on what he dose. in some game it feels as if you make choices in a vacuum as the PC is alone
It's all in the writing and implementation. You can have cheap ME3-style romances, which involve one or two lines of dialogue, or you can make it a lot more subtle. If they gave us a choice in TW3 and made Geralt either favour Yennifer, Triss or someone else (or none at all) I wouldn't mind as long as the writing was good.
I think that's one of the big differences in TW2 the romance (card collecting) was a bit weak and the romance with triss felt a bit forced but that could have something to do with the translation.
The usual problem with Love Interests in games is the story/gameplay dissonance. You're engaged with one particular character in a very special way. But it doesn't alter the gameplay in any special way.
Choosing Liara in ME3 should give you a 5% cooldown boost. Picking Tali could give you a poorer version of Chatika, acting as a distraction for a couple of seconds. Etcetera.
I don't feel like there's anything special between me and a certain character because there's nothing in gameplay to reinforce it. Remember, interactive medium yeah? The notion that my LI is completely replacable doesn't enforce the idea that she's special. Usually, when we truly care for someone, we can't just put someone else in that place and call it a day. That's not how relationships work.
So yeah. My biggest issue with romances in games is just that. There's relationships in dialogue and exposition but none in gameplay. No commitment to a certain playstyle or power or whatever. Nothing. Bad game design in my opinion. Or maybe it's just boring, uncreative and disingenuous.
The usual problem with Love Interests in games is the story/gameplay dissonance. You're engaged with one particular character in a very special way. But it doesn't alter the gameplay in any special way.
Choosing Liara in ME3 should give you a 5% cooldown boost. Picking Tali could give you a poorer version of Chatika, acting as a distraction for a couple of seconds. Etcetera.
I don't feel like there's anything special between me and a certain character because there's nothing in gameplay to reinforce it. Remember, interactive medium yeah? The notion that my LI is completely replacable doesn't enforce the idea that she's special. Usually, when we truly care for someone, we can't just put someone else in that place and call it a day. That's not how relationships work.
So yeah. My biggest issue with romances in games is just that. There's relationships in dialogue and exposition but none in gameplay. No commitment to a certain playstyle or power or whatever. Nothing. Bad game design in my opinion. Or maybe it's just boring, uncreative and disingenuous.
an interesting point but what about RP like in ME one Shepard may pick Liara another may pick Tali their isn't as much freedom in the Witcher as Gerult is a defined character who just so happened to of lost his memory I just hope that CD Project remember that not everyone know who Yenefer is and to suddenly have her come in the witcher 3 and and pick up where the book left off could be a bit strange I feel a choice would be nice is all I'm saying.
an interesting point but what about RP like in ME one Shepard may pick Liara another may pick Tali their isn't as much freedom in the Witcher as Gerult is a defined character who just so happened to of lost his memory I just hope that CD Project remember that not everyone know who Yenefer is and to suddenly have her come in the witcher 3 and and pick up where the book left off could be a bit strange I feel a choice would be nice is all I'm saying.
Geralt may be bound to Yennefer by Destiny, but the first game showed CDPR's Geralt as a free agent with the choice to flip Destiny the bird.
I am sure Geralt will have wrenching choices involving the women in his life, but I am just as sure that CDPR will not spoil them for us by telling us in advance what they will be and who they will involve.
I am afraid that it's got to be in there, the whole deceitful relationship Triss has forged with you, a possible ending to any hints of a relationship with Shani and of course finally Yen, whom is probably still bound by the last wish. I'm not a fan of romances by any means, but I trust that it will be complicated and work on several layers rather than the usual inane teenage squeefest we get from other developers. After all Yen and Geralt have many years to their relationship, it's not just a few right dialogue choices between strangers and then the obligatory sex scene reward.
If they want to make the player happy and give him his choice back, yes. If they go according to the lore, no, not at all.
Interestingly enough according to that poll from the other thread most people are either undecided or would rather choose Yennefer instead of Triss, i would say this is because of the books and not only of the games, but it's still impressive, i didn't expect that.
If you think about it that the most hardcore fans are actually here in this forum, most of this dedicated fanbase is just undecided and will choose depending on what happens in Witcher 3. Those who aren't here, either don't really have an opinion on it or don't want to express it or don't care about it all, because they think it is negligible or don't want to influence the game (Recently i learned that Tali was only a LI, because the hardcore fans wanted it so).
As i wrote in another thread, the story is already written in stone, so they can't just change the plot months before releasing. We are not talking about another LI like in Mass Effect, but about characters which affect the overall story.
You didn't read the books, so i won't say too much, but
there is a similiar case in the books and we know how it ended.
Anyway, i don't really want to expand on this anymore (yet i did...), because there are other threads (huge long threads...), which cover this "dilemma" in sheer endless discussions.
trekker1982 said:
an interesting point but what about RP like in ME one Shepard may pick Liara another may pick Tali their isn't as much freedom in the Witcher as Gerult is a defined character who just so happened to of lost his memory I just hope that CD Project remember that not everyone know who Yenefer is and to suddenly have her come in the witcher 3 and and pick up where the book left off could be a bit strange I feel a choice would be nice is all I'm saying.
Jup, this is probably the biggest problem for them. Not just the Triss/Yennefer thing, but the whole amnesia. The transition from Geralt with amnesia (= player) to the Geralt with all memories (= book reader) is gonna be a big problem in my opinion, but they already said that you don't need to play the previous games to understand Witcher 3, so they seem to be quite confident about it and yet many things need to be explained for the player, i guess.
