I normally can't stand these nearly/early 20's know-it-all youtubers who played 1337 hours of Skyrim, made two mods for it and now know everything. But this guy actually seems to have a point there (and further on the plus side he doesn't sound like wanting to be a she with an over excited nasal lisp like the most of them that I've heard and gracefully quit after a minute because I just can't....).Suhiira;n9074110 said:
I kinda wish I had any interest in Tyranny, but I'm so burnt out on fantasy that I could not bring myself to play it. There was so many options for doing that "evil won" thing in a non-fantasy non-medieval setting...Suhiira;n9074110 said:
Well, it's not really accurate if it ignores the gameplay portion of the PnP and only takes it's fiction.metalmaniac21;n9076110 said:To make a PnP-accurate product one don't even need to make an RPG.
That judgment depends on how much can be changed in one's subjective opinion before the gameplay portion of the PnP becomes "ignored."kofeiiniturpa;n9079800 said:Well, it's not really accurate if it ignores the gameplay portion of the PnP and only takes it's fiction.
I don't fully understand what your response is trying to say. What does subjective opinion have to do with this, or changing it?Rawls;n9080090 said:That judgment depends on how much can be changed in one's subjective opinion before the gameplay portion of the PnP becomes "ignored."
It's hard to explain the point I was trying to make succinctly ... and honestly it's probably not worthy of trying to redeem. Have you ever gone back to a post an realized it was poorly conceived from the start? This is where I'm at. Rather than try and do it again I think I'm just gonna waive my hands a pretend like I never said anything -kofeiiniturpa;n9080320 said:I don't fully understand what your response is trying to say. What does subjective opinion have to do with this, or changing it?
I think he means that "ignoring" PnP is a relative value. From my perspective, if the system is tough on failure, sucks to get hurt in and uses a realism-based skill system (perks, bah) named after actual skills in the real world, that's the PnP portion that really matters to me. I'd love to see Init rolls and Awareness checks a la PnP, but if not, as long as the above values are in place, I feel FNFF has been recreated.kofeiiniturpa;n9080320 said:I don't fully understand what your response is trying to say. What does subjective opinion have to do with this, or changing it?
Ah, so it was about the interpretations of the rules afterall. That's fair, and agreeable, but in the case where the rules are missing completely (and/or replaced with something unrelated... like bananas) and you only have the fiction, the differing interpretations are irrelevant (since there's nothing left to interpret). That, I guess, was what I was driving at with the original comment, half of the package as designed and sold is discarded; it's not so much "relative" anymore when it's "gone".Sardukhar;n9081180 said:I think he means that ...
Right? "So I'm a 100 yrs old super-trained man and my ENTIRE SKILLS PACKAGE is how to stab people to death, how to zap them to death, how to Force Persuade them in rare dialogue schemes...and how to make neato potions. I may have mis-spent some of my life..."DarthRaver8686;n9081730 said:I just hope that however they do the skill/progession system, i hope it differes greatly from the witcher 3's progression system.
Given that in W3 you were playing a preset character who specialized in monster slaying I was OK with the system being pretty much purely about how you slew them.DarthRaver8686;n9081730 said:I just hope that however they do the skill/progession system, i hope it differes greatly from the witcher 3's progression system. It was honestly the only thing about the game i wasnt crazy about. I didnt hate it, i just thought that there was alot of way it could of been improved.
I don't want to play one, but a complete playthrough as a Medtechie with no combat skills should be doable...with hired NPC help of course.Suhiira;n9083720 said:Now for CP2077 we shouldn't be playing a preset character, with a preset occupation, so a variety of available skills is FAR more important.
About me enjoying having a fixed character in Cyberpunk 2077 (which I won't). I would rather want a game that allowed huge customization options for main characters because I think it would stay closer to the source matterial you know... a tabletop game.TiaDeLamare;n10608932 said:are you being ironic about what?
How about something like for example in Kingdom Come: Deliverance, where you play as a guy named Henry with some background story? But there is a decent amount of freedom at the gameplay level.Snowflakez;n10608192 said:Agreed, but I'm less "on the fence," and more "I'm just not going to play it at all until it's on sale for 60% off." I'm tired of fixed protagonists. We have plenty of them. CDPR can, and IMO should, try to step out of their comfort zone and try something new.
I'm sure I'll play it eventually. Just not going to pay full price. There's too many other great games coming out.
There will obviously be some level of customization, at least when it comes to the appearance of the character, even The Witcher 3 allows for different hair and beard styles, armor dyes, and other features that let the player's Geralt look unique. And of course things like character skills (however they are implemented) and different story branches are also basically a given, so Cyberpunk's roles can appear at least in those. Beyond that, no one knows what we will get, it could be anything up to an Elder Scrolls like "be anyone you want" character.TiaDeLamare;n10609702 said:But again, an impactful story doesn't mean that there won't be character creation.
Good story and characters are not something even to consider if the gameplay is poor and not RPG, RPG in a sense of CP2020, not The Witcher 3's perk-only system.TiaDeLamare;n10609702 said:Seriously though. The story will be very good and the character creation will be huge. My bet.
My bet from the bottom of my heart.
Totally disagree. I would look forward to a Witcher 3 style Cyberpunk. Absolutely. Be a lot of fun. So absolutely to consider.metalmaniac21;n10612882 said:Good story and characters are not something even to consider if the gameplay is poor and not RPG, RPG in a sense of CP2020, not The Witcher 3's perk-only system.