Sarkeesian predicts Witcher 3 will be "misogynist".

[theta77]

Klaatu verata nikto!

The Witcher 3 won't be misogynistic for many reasons. In fact the story is driven by great female characters. And they are great not because they are women, but because they are great. There are some misogynistic characters in the game, because they exist also in real life. But the game won' be misogynistic.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

Klaatu verata nikto!

More exactly it's "Klaatu barada nikto"

 

[theta77]

More exactly it's "Klaatu barada nikto"

But I don't want to save the Earth that stood stiil. I'm just announcing necromancy, like in Army of Darkness.

 

[Garrison72]

Klaatu verata nikto!

The Witcher 3 won't be misogynistic for many reasons. In fact the story is driven by great female characters. And they are great not because they are women, but because they are great. There are some misogynistic characters in the game, because they exist also in real life. But the game won' be misogynistic.

Not good enough! For me to believe this your female characters must be without fault and have squeaky clean motives.

 

[Aes Sídhe]

More exactly it's "Klaatu barada nikto"

Type about:robots in firefox address bar

Love that phrase so much, it's my toon name in EVE !
(and the old Michael Rennie version beats Neo into the ground!)

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

Type about:robots in firefox address bar

Sure, I knew this for a long time already Try also about:mozilla.

 

[Aes Sídhe]

Sure, I knew this for a long time already Try also about:mozilla.

Looks like we're having eggs for breakfast eh

But I don't want to save the Earth that stood stiil. I'm just announcing necromancy, like in Army of Darkness.

Should've been "Klaatu Barada Ni*cough**mutter* really then eh ?

Sincerely hope you aren't responsible for "localisation" mate !

 

[Nexus-77]

You know considering how badly men are depicted and endlessly slaughtered like worthless chaff in almost every game i'm beginning to give serious thought to making that "Tropes against Men in videogames" a reality. I could make a far better case than that Sarkeesian lass, with far more evidence and pertinent examples. Course i'd just nick all the money I raised, but that'd make its own point I suppose, don't trust these self pitying piss artists.

I know little of her but this Sarkeesian doesn't know the first thing about men/women relationships or misogyny.

Anyway: why the "don't trust these self pitying piss artists"? First, this woman doesn't deserve to be called an artist.

Second, self pity can be a source of good art and literature like every other bad feeling.
Last week I was reading the letter Franz Kafka wrote to his father. There's a lot of self pity there. Of course he excuses his father a lot (like children use to do regarding their parents: "oh, I deserved all the brutal spanking", etc.) but he also express his anger towards his father, that tyrannical figure who used to mock and humiliate him since he was a little boy. There's an overall sentiment of injustice and absurd in his words. And of course 'pity' towards that little boy he was.

Actually I think the major problem in that family was that silent, distant mother. You can be a gigantic and yet silent tyrant, right? The fact that she didn't deliver the letter to his father, as Kafka asked her, says a lot... what a bitch, huh? If his father was somewhat brutal (or full of life as Kafka would also say), that mother was full of envy - and the funny thing is that he didn't note it. But that's of course just my interpretation. Anyway, I am reading "The Trial" and that same feeling of injustice, absurd, self pity - whatever - is there too, but the "father", in that particular book, is of course that crazy, unpredictable legal system. And "K", the main character, at least in the first chapters, reacts in such a funny way against all of that. Everyone who had a lousy childhood and understand where all that situation depicted by Kafka came from will laugh (Kafka had a very refined dark humor). "K" makes everything worst for himself of course. And all is written in a very honest way. It is honest because weakness and self pity is also human. What I'm saying is that self pity can generate good artistic things so (maybe it's too Christian) don't only despise or distrust people who are full of self pity, have mercy at least occasionally. There are victims in this world, I swear. Real victims.

Or maybe not, maybe not... self pity people can be really boring and selfish I know it. And maybe there's something wrong in excusing weakness too much. Especially in a brutal world like this - designed by Devil himself, not a merciful, loving God. Well, I'll think about it all. But criticizing what you wrote was my first reaction, so there it is.

 

[Blothulfur]

Aye fair enough I take your point Tia, but i've known self pity and I know it leads nowhere but hate and making excuses for yourself, so I turn me back on it and try to never let it affect me. With such weaknesses I think the thing to do is overcome them, not let them define you or shape your actions and views even while acknowledging them, because then you are askew. I supposed the too long/don't read version would be, balance in all things. It seems to me that Sarkeesian can't see anything within an objective light because she's so far down the path of portraying herself as a victim and everything being against her, and part of all she hates.

Screw that, I might be held together by titanium and scar tissue, but i'm nobodies victim. The world can do what it wishes, all i'll do is spit in its eye and laugh.

Edit: Well and drink.

 

[Nexus-77]

"Screw that, I might be held together by titanium and scar tissue, but i'm nobodies victim. The world can do what it wishes, all i'll do is spit in its eye and laugh"

Yes, that's a very different, healthier approach.

I understand what you say about Sarkeesian. It's easier to just blame/hate men. Or women, jews, black people, white people, etc., for that matter. Or drown in self pity. Maybe in art it works, it can be a therapy for the artist to use self pity or resentment and vent it when writing. Fernando Pessoa wrote some powerful things out of pure resentment and feelings of injustice (that sometimes are genuine, not only excuses). But in life, feeding these feelings sucks. You and most of the people I know are right to fight them. That makes you definitely stronger than I am.

Well, at least I'm lucid enough not to blame anyone, except, of course, my objective tormentors, but even them are not to be blamed for my persistence in feeling this old pain. I think this persistence is part biology (brain biology), part my fault. I hate to still feel this dumb way at times.

Anyway, I love games, I've played many titles so I believe I can say both The Witcher 1 and 2 are great. The Witcher is among my 3 favorite titles actually. Because it's above all fun and really well written and - succubus and wraiths considered - very honest and realistic in the way it portraits human beings (which is not little, many movies/books don't achieve that).

I know it sounds silly but I love CDPR and Poland with heart to tell you the truth. I even discovered J. Conrad because of this game. I believe I'll buy The Witcher 3 a second time.
I'm curious to see what they will do with my beloved Triss: resourceful, passionate and yet a little manipulative, yes. And Roche, Iorveth, Letho (I didn't kill him), Saskia and all the others and, of course, my beloved Geralt. He's even more interesting and loveable than Adam Jensen - another male character I love in games.

Thank you for your answer.

 

[crimzonwarrior]

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/490627169106685953


https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/490631517207404544


:scold:

In other news, I have no idea what "misogynist" is even supposed to mean anymore.

I would be wary about going down this Womans rabbit hole she is a known conwoman, and purposely sets up drama at immense profit. Just look up the scandal surrounding her kick starter that she pocketed instead of using the funds for it as she claimed.

 

[TheDespondentMind2]

Yeah if I'm correct she took something like a 100k or even 1M, to make an average internet critic review and not even give credits for the let's play videos she used. Shouldn't she be sued or something for that ?

 

[gregski]

Shouldn't she be sued or something for that ?

B-b-but that would be sexist and misogynist...

:troll:

 

[GuyNwah]

Yeah if I'm correct she took something like a 100k or even 1M, to make an average internet critic review and not even give credits for the let's play videos she used. Shouldn't she be sued or something for that ?

Crowdfunding is strictly buyer beware. While it is extremely rare for a crowdfunded project to deliver nothing at all in a manner that looks like fraud, a dispute over the quality of what is delivered is unlikely to profit anybody but the lawyers.

Anita Sarkeesian took crowdfunded money to produce a series of videos called "Tropes vs. Women in Video Games". She did produce these videos. Whether they are a meaningful contribution to public debate, or a pile of plagiarized no-brainers, does not change the fact that she delivered something that is not even arguably other than what she promised.

 

[Veleda.980]

Yeah if I'm correct she took something like a 100k or even 1M, to make an average internet critic review and not even give credits for the let's play videos she used. Shouldn't she be sued or something for that ?

Fools were parted from their money, and they got her crappy YouTube videos.

 

[didymos1120]

Yeah if I'm correct she took something like a 100k or even 1M, to make an average internet critic review and not even give credits for the let's play videos she used. Shouldn't she be sued or something for that ?

Just look at the kickstarter page if you want the number:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games

 

[Sirnaq]

 

[TheDespondentMind2]

Crowdfunding is strictly buyer beware. While it is extremely rare for a crowdfunded project to deliver nothing at all in a manner that looks like fraud, a dispute over the quality of what is delivered is unlikely to profit anybody but the lawyers.

Anita Sarkeesian took crowdfunded money to produce a series of videos called "Tropes vs. Women in Video Games". She did produce these videos. Whether they are a meaningful contribution to public debate, or a pile of plagiarized no-brainers, does not change the fact that she delivered something that is not even arguably other than what she promised.

But you don't need that much money for youtube videos, you just need a good microphone, camera and descent editing software. Either these crowdfunders are demented or she's really good at convincing people to give her money.

 

[GuyNwah]

But you don't need that much money for youtube videos, you just need a good microphone, camera and descent editing software. Either these crowdfunders are demented or she's really good at convincing people to give her money.

Both. Crowds are always made up of fools. Even intelligent people become foolish in the midst of a crowd.

There is a view of life which holds that where the crowd is, the truth is also, that it is a need in truth itself, that it must have the crowd on its side. There is another view of life; which holds that wherever the crowd is, there is untruth, so that, for a moment to carry the matter out to its farthest conclusion, even if every individual possessed the truth in private, yet if they came together into a crowd (so that "the crowd" received any decisive, voting, noisy, audible importance), untruth would at once be let in.

For "the crowd" is untruth.

[Kierkegaard]

 

[Cs__sz__r]

Just look at the kickstarter page if you want the number:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games

Actually donating $500.

Dvd set.

ETA: August 2012. Lol.