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Sarkeesian predicts Witcher 3 will be "misogynist".

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schinderhannes.999

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#61
Jul 20, 2014
Exactly, @didymos1120 as the one that started the thread probably should ask one of the mods to lock this abomination asap.
It's bad enough that Sarkeesian has a platform for her drivel on Twitter and the Youtubes.
 
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s-jay2676

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#62
Jul 20, 2014
I kinda agree with her.
 
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didymos1120

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#63
Jul 20, 2014
schinderhannes said:
Exactly, @didymos1120 as the one that started the thread probably should ask one of the mods to lock this abomination asap.
It's bad enough that Sarkeesian has a platform for her drivel on Twitter and the Youtubes.
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Nah. I'll pass. Shutting down discussion is something out of her playbook.
 
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GuyNwah

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#64
Jul 20, 2014
didymos1120 said:
Nah. I'll pass. Shutting down discussion is something out of her playbook.
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Exactly. That is why the moderators have ignored demands to close this thread and will continue to do so. This forum is for respectful discussion of any issue related to Witcher 3; members who find it an "abomination" or "drivel" will do well to discuss other topics elsewhere.

A game that pleased everybody and offended no one would have nothing worth saying to anybody who took it seriously.
 
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Scholdarr

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#65
Jul 20, 2014
How about using the chance and talking about possiblities how females topics could be better "explored" in Witcher 3. Personally, I would be really disappointed if they don't address for example Yennefer's personal problems about her inability to get children (which is her most important motive in the books). I don't think Witcher 2 or 3 are misogynistic but I think there is an actual chance to exlore new ideas and female centered topics in the game. Not for the sake of addressing them or catering to female players, but for the sake of a better storytelling. :)
 
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shawn_kh

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#66
Jul 20, 2014
knightofphoenix said:
While I do think TW1 was very misogynistic in a lot of elements, another way to look at TW2, is that it was a drastic improvement. It still has flaws with that regard, but not anything spectacularly beyond the current standards of the industry (which are deplorable of course), and in some elements, much better than the industry's norms.

In that line of thought, I think it is likely that TW3 will also be an improvement over the 2nd. I am almost sure it will have flaws, with some representations / facets that will not sit well with me. But, I would not dismiss the entire game and its good points.

Of course it is possible for it to be even worse, if they decide to strip Ciri, who is supposed to be this badass warrior mage, of all agency and turn her into another passive damsel in distress. That would be a very stupid move, if only because it would reduce of Ciri's character and not be utilizing her fully.
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Can you please elaborate how Witcher 1&2 were misogynistic in MANY ways ?
Damsel in distress you say ? As far as I remember Triss saved Geralt's life several times when he was in distress during the course of the games.
Saskia, Philipa, Sheila, Triss, Ves, and Shani were strong and influential women.
Saskia united and led an army of Humans, Elves, and Dwarves against Henselt, a misogynistic rapist man.
Philipa and Sheila are strong sorceresses who want to take control of the whole kingdoms, and they created a lodge composing of other strong sorceresses including Triss to achieve their goal. Also most kings get advised by female sorceresses, because they deem them to be wise and powerful.
Triss is a powerful sorceress and influential woman as Foltest's advisor. She saved and sheltered Geralt and influences Geralt throughout the games.
Ves is a female soldier who has a strong personality, and she is opposed to be seen "as a pair of arse and tits" as she puts it; meanwhile she states that she is a woman and she still need to be reminded that she is beautiful.
Shani was a doctor and she helped many people, and she also was an independently and strong woman.
And don't tell me that the fact that Triss, Shani, and Ves like Geralt makes them less strong and independent as women and makes the games a misogynistic. Geralt is a desirable man as it is portrayed in the books and in the games, and he attracts the attention of the opposite sex. They have every right to like Geralt and pursue a relationship with him as strong women. And as for Abigail who was willing to have sex with Geralt to save her life, I'd say it is reality and a part of life. All women aren't pure and hardworking, and some have sex or even marry rich and influential men to get their money or other stuff. Some women are crooked just like some men are, and it is not misogynistic to portray it.
And lastly the infamous Witcher 1 sex cards, which have turned into a conspiracy theory against feminism and such. I believe CDPR did not mean the cards to be interpreted as an insult to women. I think due to the limitations of the Aurora engine and an attempt to avoid having explicit sex scenes they used the cards. But in return it backfired. But I don't think it would have mattered, because even when they did the opposite and had sex scenes in the game it still was called misogynistic.

And please don't take this as a personal attack, these are my take on the games and this is an answer to all those say Witcher games are misogynistic.
 
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schinderhannes.999

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#67
Jul 20, 2014
Guy N'wah said:
didymos1120 said:
Nah. I'll pass. Shutting down discussion is something out of her playbook.
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Exactly. That is why the moderators have ignored demands to close this thread and will continue to do so. This forum is for respectful discussion of any issue related to Witcher 3; members who find it an "abomination" or "drivel" will do well to discuss other topics elsewhere.

A game that pleased everybody and offended no one would have nothing worth saying to anybody who took it seriously.
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Fair enough, and just to be clear - 'abomination' and 'drivel' were only mentioned in regards to Sarkeesian's ludicrous statements quoted in the opening post, not the discussion it spawned.

Carry on.
 
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adridu59

Senior user
#68
Jul 20, 2014
So the whole twitter+youtube channel of the woman is about Feminist Inquisition™? Someone should let her know that there are many better hobbies in life, at least do I think so (who knows, maybe it's fun or something?).
 
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s-jay2676

Rookie
#69
Jul 21, 2014
@shawn_kh
I don't have any issues with some female characters liking Geralt. What makes them appear less strong and independent is the fact that it's just too easy for Geralt to have sex with them. And my issues with the sex cards are not only that they seem like something the player can collect, but also that there are way too many of them. Sometimes less is better. The lack of LGBT characters bothers me as well.
 
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Scholdarr

Banned
#70
Jul 21, 2014
s-jay2676 said:
@shawn_kh
The lack of LGBT characters bothers me as well.
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"Bothers" you? Since when is there an obligation (!!!) to include LGBT in video games?

You might not know it but the games are based on a book and LGBT doesn't exist in the Witcher world at all, at least it's not even mentioned once in the books. There is nothing to bother. It's just something the author didn't want to address in his book. That's not sexist or misogynistic or hostile against everyone, it's just a decision of the creator of these works.

Also Geralt can have sex with females because it's a male character who happens to be very attractive to the most powerful women in the Witcher world, the sorceresses. That's not a sign of "less strong or independent" women but the opposite. In the Witcher world sorceresses are that powerful that they could have sex with everyone. But they are usually bored by normal human men and many are only atrracked by other sorcerers or by powerful exotics like Geralt. I advice informing yourself better about the Witcher world in general and the role of women (especially soreceresses) in particular before making statements about women liking Geralt. Do you even know that witchers as mutants are impotent? Many people in the Witcher world know that, women included. Geralt is the perfect partner for just having some fun without the fear of getting a baby. In a world without modern possiblities to prevent being fertilized this makes Geralt even more tempting/attractive to women... (note: I talk about Witcher 2 which made Witcher 1 in this respect obsolete).


I still wait for a game with a female lead who can have sex with male chars that I can finally call it "male hostile" (there isn't even a term for that).
 
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Blothulfur

Mentor
#71
Jul 21, 2014
Ciri tips the velvet, lots of sorcerors and sorceresses are bisexual and two of the most potent, dynamic and likable characters in Assassins of Kings are gay. By the way how do you have a character who is lesbian, gay, bisexual and transexual?
 
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didymos1120

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#72
Jul 21, 2014
Blothulfur said:
By the way how do you have a character who is lesbian, gay, bisexual and transexual?
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I think you're taking the acronym a bit too literally.
 
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Blothulfur

Mentor
#73
Jul 21, 2014
Nah i'm just taking piss.
 
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didymos1120

Rookie
#74
Jul 21, 2014
Blothulfur said:
Nah i'm just taking piss.
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That's unsanitary.

:scold:
 
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JimmyQ

Senior user
#75
Jul 21, 2014
From what I've read, it seems she's gotten quite a bit of recognition and even that Ambassador Award (whatever that means), and I'd say it all may serve to give her at least some air of legitimacy. Some people are bound to listen to someone like that, but I could be wrong **shrugs**. So yeah, that's why I say discussions like this are important; they help set the record straight.

LordCrash said:
Do you even know that witchers as mutants are impotent infertile?
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Fixed :) .
 
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Scholdarr

Banned
#76
Jul 21, 2014
Jimmy_Qu said:
Fixed :) .
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Actually the term impotent is correct for a male person (although it can have different meanings). Infertile is usually only used for female persons. ;)

Blothulfur said:
Ciri tips the velvet, lots of sorcerors and sorceresses are bisexual and two of the most potent, dynamic and likable characters in Assassins of Kings are gay. By the way how do you have a character who is lesbian, gay, bisexual and transexual?
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Ciri is not really homosexual, she was highly traumatized in that situation. But you are right, that was a situation in which Sapkowski addressed the topic.

Who in Assassins of Kings is gay???
 
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didymos1120

Rookie
#77
Jul 21, 2014
LordCrash said:
Actually the term impotent is correct for a male person (although it can have different meanings). Infertile is usually only used for female persons. ;)
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Um, no. "Impotent" nearly always means "unable to achieve an erection". "Infertile" applies equally to men and women.
 
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Blothulfur

Mentor
#78
Jul 21, 2014
Dethmold and Philippa, nah bar that Dethmold might be bisexual as we (quite rightly) don't know much about his private affairs and Philippa were ploughing Djikstra as I remember so she's definitely bisexual.

Edit: Fuck me it's almost 2, well best get me beauty sleep, I fucking need it!
 
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didymos1120

Rookie
#79
Jul 21, 2014
Phillipa was strongly implied to be doing that for pragmatic reasons, and not as a matter of preference. However, it's said in the books that she actually did like men once (or at least she appeared to).
 
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JimmyQ

Senior user
#80
Jul 21, 2014
Uh, have we forgotten the topic of this thread?
 
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