Sex, Nudity, Discussion of Same - the Whole Ball of Wax.

[Gynckies]

they really didn't though, those are on premium cable channels, and again, not restricted like most channels are. it makes more sense to compare what you see in an r rated movie vs an unrated movie, as cinema has a more standard and analogous rating system.

we can already do GOT level sex and nudity anyways in games. People are asking for straight up porn though.

Premium cable before these shows was something totally different, they set a bar, and in doing so changed the TV industry.

Different Porn companies do work on different forms of porn, you some companies like Brazzers that stick to pretty basic porn plots. But there are companies and amateurs that focus on something more natural and tasteful. Without getting into the details, the focus of these "natural" shoots is on the connection and enjoyment. In the same context, games focus on doing both, you have God of War style stuff and you have TW3 style stuff. Porn is a very very large classification of media. There are all types.

 

[the_ragnarokkr]

I don't believe in the ridiculous double-standard that exists between videogames and every other entertainment medium.

For that reason alone, I'm in favor of full-blown XXX porn with zero censorship. If films and some TV shows can get away with it, games should be able to as well.

 

[Zaraia0]

"Mature" isn't the same as "must include explicit content". There Will Be Blood is a movie for mature audiences, but there's almost no violence and no sex at all in the movie. Its a mindest, not a rider for including edgy things.

if it actually serves the world building, then it is tasteful and has a narrative purpose. but making it natural is the issue. you cant just have the protagonist bang every person he or she meets. the situations have to feel natural.

There is a difference though in that an RPG doesn't function like a film, which has a fixed narrative. The point of an RPG is to create a world of possibilities, and it's up to you the player to craft your own narrative with the tools given to you. And for that world to be in any way true to life, it has to include sexuality, leaving it up to the player to avoid it or pursue it as much as those possibilities exist in reality.

 

[Gynckies]

There is a difference though in that an RPG doesn't function like a film, which has a fixed narrative. The point of an RPG is to create a world of possibilities, and it's up to you the player to craft your own narrative with the tools given to you. And for that world to be in any way true to life, it has to include sexuality, leaving it up to the player to avoid it or pursue it as much as those possibilities exist in reality.

To add to that, "press X to skip cutscene" also allows players to have the interaction and not be made uncomfortable.

 

[xer21]

Pornography is defined as something of which the main or exclusive purpose is to create sexual arousal in the viewer. It's got nothing to do with the explicitness of the acts depicted. For instance films (or paintings, or books, or any art form really) can depict nudity or sexual acts, sometimes even full blown graphical sexual intercourse without it being pornographic, because they serve a purpose within the work. Inversely, something as PG as an image of a bare foot can be pornography if it was created only to arouse corresponding fetishists.

Yes I understand that. I'm literally saying that people are asking for it just for it to be there. And if it doesn't support the character or the world, it literally only has one other purpose, and that's to titlate. thus, its porn. Sex for the sake of sex is fluff. If its supporting character or world building, that's different.

There is a difference though in that an RPG doesn't function like a film, which has a fixed narrative. The point of an RPG is to create a world of possibilities, and it's up to you the player to craft your own narrative with the tools given to you. And for that world to be in any way true to life, it has to include sexuality, leaving it up to the player to avoid it or pursue it as much as those possibilities exist in reality.

literally no one's saying "don't include sex". We're arguing on whether there's a point to making things as explicit as possible. Is there anything to be gained by watching a explicit penetration, or is the only purpose there to arouse? What do we gain by making it ultra explicit?

 

[xer21]

I don't believe in the ridiculous double-standard that exists between videogames and every other entertainment medium.

For that reason alone, I'm in favor of full-blown XXX porn with zero censorship. If films and some TV shows can get away with it, games should be able to as well.

but movies and tv show cant....

name one R rated movie or one serial on tv that shows explicit penetration.

 

[Gynckies]

Ass and tits have been in film since film has been around, agreed. But I'm more or less addressing that statement from the standpoint of the rest of my post. There's a world of difference in how sex scenes can be approached when talking about including fidelity and making it holistic. The kind of really crappy 30-second shots they used to toss in old movies aren't really where a lot of movies are at, RIP James Bond style scenes.

 

[Gynckies]

Again there doesn't need to be a camera focused on that area alone in order to have a fully explicit sex scene. Intimacy shots are a thing in porn now, Its most of the time not even Porn like at all because of how the pair are positioned.

Following that, we're talking about a city with love hotels and prostitutes galore. Even in other Cyberpunk universes, these things exist. Its almost as important as having neon lights, and indo-east meets wast cultures. Sex in the cyberpunk world is never really lovey-dovey, it's more primal. IE altered carbon and blade runner.

 

[xer21]

I really don't think you're following my point and the fact that you're arguing that "porn does it too" just kind of reinforces that fact.

 

[Zaraia0]

literally no one's saying "don't include sex". We're arguing on whether there's a point to making things as explicit as possible. Is there anything to be gained by watching a explicit penetration, or is the only purpose there to arouse? What do we gain by making it ultra explicit?

It's more that with the level of immersion that CP77 seems to be going for, there's really no way to not make it explicit without outright censoring. If you are your character, you can't just drift to the ceiling while the music gets louder or fade to black. Full explicitness is perfectly justified by default, be it only for reasons of realism, to say nothing of the possible narrative purposes.

Now, unless CDPR prove to be much bolder than anyone before, I assume there won't be anything like graphic penetration in the game. But the reality is that such censorship can only be motivated by commercial reasons, not narrative ones or anything about the game itself. CDPR are smart enough to realise that in the era of HBO, full nudity is no longer a taboo in American mainstream popular culture, and their game will be praised for having it rather than panned as it might have some years ago. But anything more than that might still be a commercial risk. So there will almost certainly be censorship, the question is how much.

 

[Gynckies]

I really don't think you're following my point and the fact that you're arguing that "porn does it too" just kind of reinforces that fact.

My point is you can find porn that never even shows a fully nude person. on the other hand there is also plenty of porn that does. I'd say that if the shots were full fidelity for CP2077 there are a whole host of options in terms of style on how they can approach that to remain in line with the game and themes for the characters. In saying so I'm also implying that not everything has to have camera angles focused on the "goods", they would be there but the focus in the shot would be the couple and the act, not the gritty details.

 

[Zaraia0]

Again there doesn't need to be a camera focused on that area alone in order to have a fully explicit sex scene. Intimacy shots are a thing in porn now, Its most of the time not even Porn like at all because of how the pair are positioned.

Following that, we're talking about a city with love hotels and prostitutes galore. Even in other Cyberpunk universes, these things exist. Its almost as important as having neon lights, and indo-east meets wast cultures. Sex in the cyberpunk world is never really lovey-dovey, it's more primal. IE altered carbon and blade runner.

Sex and nudity are also essential to cyberpunk, especially when it includes transhumanist themes, because the way they are treated signifies how they have ceased to be taboos as they were for all of human culture, and have been reduced to the status of consumer goods by the combined forces of technology and capitalism.

The original GitS film for instance does this very well in showing the Major's cold and detached relationship to her own artificial body.

 

[Gynckies]

Sex and nudity are also essential to cyberpunk, especially when it includes transhumanist themes, because the way they are treated signifies how they have ceased to be taboos as they were for all of human culture, and have been reduced to the status of consumer goods by the combined forces of technology and capitalism.

The original GitS film for instance does this very well in showing the Major's cold and detached relationship to her own artificial body.

Exactly, the cyberpunk world never really featured love too much, I think altered carbon was interesting because it played around creators having a full range of emotion. I think that this method plays into CP2077 I mean, the simple fact that there are days where it's sunny and not raining and overcast is crazy.

 

[CyberAddict]

Yeah, I mean were talking about a source material that has penis cyberware like mr.studd. I don't really see an issue with including sex in the same way we include gore. I believe polygon out of all places had an interview with adam badowski in which one of the main reasons why nudity is often at the forefront is to show how lack of scared the body is, it is something profane now as you can switch your body parts as quick as you can spit... well maybe not exactly, but you get the idea of it.

 

[Hydroaddiction]

Hi, I think sex is a very important theme in Cyberpunk lore. It should be fantastic to see futuristics and dark brothels like "Altered Carbon" TV serie.

I voted for the option "Full XXX porn", but I think it should be in first person, not third. Maybe cinematics.. but I recomend to take a look at the Skyrim mod "OSEX" (nexusmods), some minigame like that could be great. With varios options: romantic/light for relationships, and dirty sex with prostitutes.

Also, the option to pay a drink and sit to watch a dance show in a bar, like Barney Stinson!

 

[Krull32]

Sex is normal, nothing to shame about, and in my opinion it have its role in an adult rpg. Means no ridiculous censorship ( all or nothing ! everything else is a joke) and at least better scenes than the witcher 3 had...... Seriously , some of them or most of them are really bad.

16 hours motion capturing my ass.....

And i would prefer third person.

 

[Zaraia0]

Hi, I think sex is a very important theme in Cyberpunk lore. It should be fantastic to see futuristics and dark brothels like "Altered Carbon" TV serie.

I voted for the option "Full XXX porn", but I think it should be in first person, not third. Maybe cinematics.. but I recomend to take a look at the Skyrim mod "OSEX" (nexusmods), some minigame like that could be great. With varios options: romantic/light for relationships, and dirty sex with prostitutes.

Also, the option to pay a drink and sit to watch a dance show in a bar, like Barney Stinson!

Heh, I never tried it but OSEX actually looks very tasteful from what I've seen, even while being completely explicit.

Something like that in an unmodded game would be revolutionary.

 

[Sheeeen]

For that reason alone, I'm in favor of full-blown XXX porn with zero censorship. If films and some TV shows can get away with it, games should be able to as well.

Why is it so important what is on TV and games needing to follow? What benefit does CDPR have to turn this game into a full blown porno? I've never had a person give me a valid reason for the game why this needs to be implemented. People want full XXX porn with zero censorship for the sake of being edgy, nothing about it serves to improve gameplay, and that includes going for Cyberpunk and its dark tones.

Witcher's simplistic sexual scenes at least had context, this does not.

 

[DeckBlack666]

In any game there are no interesting sexual scenes. They should make sex like in a movie, a TV series, make it more hard but not pornographic.
For example
La vie d'Adèle — Chapitres 1 et 2

So also meets and care for a partner is not interesting. We need more simulation, not just a selection of a couple of lines in random dialogues.

 

[BaalNergal]

I don't believe in the ridiculous double-standard that exists between videogames and every other entertainment medium.

For that reason alone, I'm in favor of full-blown XXX porn with zero censorship. If films and some TV shows can get away with it, games should be able to as well.

It's the difference between witnessing someone commit a murder and committing a murder yourself.

In the first instance, at worst you're an accessory to the crime; in the second instance, you're definitely guilty of it.

That's why shooting up an airport in a certain CoD was so shocking, despite similar being on television and in movies for years.