Sex, Nudity, Discussion of Same - the Whole Ball of Wax.

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The best sex scene in game is..

  • A third person sex scene like in The Witcher, Dragon Age

    Votes: 136 26.9%
  • A third person sex scene with quick time event system like in Mass Effect series

    Votes: 19 3.8%
  • A sex scene as a mini game

    Votes: 13 2.6%
  • A first person perspective view (POV) sex scene where you see a close-up full frontal nudity

    Votes: 62 12.3%
  • PG 13 romance scene only

    Votes: 8 1.6%
  • Full XXX P0RN, censor nothing

    Votes: 172 34.1%
  • A mix of everything, depending on the parther you chooses or the situation you are in

    Votes: 71 14.1%
  • Fades to black

    Votes: 24 4.8%

  • Total voters
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I think that it's okay to enjoy something as smutty for its own sake; that's a part of life. CD Projekt Red aims to make this a mature title about a dark future. Because sex is such a big part of life, it's fine to include it in a brutally honest way, just as we do with violence, extreme psychological states, gore, and the struggle to succeed in a dystopia.

On top of the smuttiness, take that or leave it, I think that portraying all aspects of sexuality reveals something about the characters' experiences. This gives us a better window into the cloying search for satisfaction in the characters' present and redemption from their pasts. Sex can be a powerful experience, and the simple, smutty pleasure can help to buoy someone (e.g. V) against their inner demons, giving them strength in the moment to grow. Sex is also a strong enough desire to dement a person; having sex is, in many ways, a reprieve from wanting sex, which can give someone room to change, too.

If immersion is the goal, censoring a powerful part of the experience works against that. If relating to what is happening with the character is the goal, censoring a powerful experience of theirs works against that.

I think that if the sex doesn't sacrifice any other part of the game, then it can only add, as long as it's optional and fits well into an overall tasteful experience (even if that tastefulness is used to portray something arguably ugly).

There's a line (based very much on different cultures and customs) with this. I would say that "mindless" sexuality (as well as violence, foul language, or other such taboo elements) is almost wholly rejected around the world. The key is ensuring that, regardless of how extensively a taboo is explored, it will be acceptable as long as it's intelligently qualifiable. What determines whether something is considered "intelligent" is up to that difference in culture.

By and large, graphic sex being included in a game simply to include it would be pretty frowned at by most cultures. It doesn't mean the game itself will flop completely, but it can leave a lot of players shaking their heads and sneering at something that seems to feel out-of-place, off-balance, or over-the-top in an experience that's otherwise very smooth.

I'll use Duke Nukem Forever's use of nudity and sexualization of women as an example. It went to very sudden and intentionally graphic extremes in ways that were not balanced with the rest of the experience. There was a lot of negative feedback as a result. The same elements in the original Duke Nukem, however, were well received and even celebrated as extremely humorous. The original was reducto ad absurdum: a satire of classic '80s action films and video game heroes. The sequel simply tried to be as edgy and gross as possible to get attention. Similarly, the Metro series handled sexuality in a trite and generally pointless way for games that were otherwise rather grounded and gritty -- a far cry from the satirical way games like GTA 5 present all characters as exaggerations of reality, including the sexualized ones.

As Cyberpunk seems to be aiming at a believable, evocative, narrative experience, having anything (sex included) be "mindless" or "just 'cause" would actively detract from its overall experience. Instead, I feel it's vitally important for it to be handled meaningfully and intelligently. That's not to say that it can't be edgy and graphic, but if so, it needs to serve a believable, evocative, and narrative purpose for the rest of the game. I don't think that many societies would consider being able to have graphic sex with other characters in a game simply because they're there to be intelligently qualifiable. Not to say that there's anything more or less wrong with it, inherently, than a game that lets you run around and kill people at random for no reason...it's just that such a thing would significantly damage the experience of Cyberpunk, in my opinion.
 
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There's a line (based very much on different cultures and customs) with this. I would say that "mindless" sexuality (as well as violence, foul language, or other such taboo elements) is almost wholly rejected around the world. The key is ensuring that, regardless of how extensively a taboo is explored, it will be acceptable as long as it's intelligently qualifiable. What determines whether something is considered "intelligent" is up to that difference in culture.

By and large, graphic sex being included in a game simply to include it would be pretty frowned at by most cultures. It doesn't mean the game itself will flop completely, but it can leave a lot of players shaking their heads and sneering at something that seems to feel out-of-place, off-balance, or over-the-top in an experience that's otherwise very smooth.

I'll use Duke Nukem Forever's use of nudity and sexualization of women as an example. It went to very sudden and intentionally graphic extremes in ways that were not balanced with the rest of the experience. There was a lot of negative feedback as a result. The same elements in the original Duke Nukem, however, were well received and even celebrated as extremely humorous. The original was reducto ad absurdum: a satire of classic '80s action films and video game heroes. The sequel simply tried to be as edgy and gross as possible to get attention. Similarly, the Metro series handled sexuality in a trite and generally pointless way for games that were otherwise rather grounded and gritty -- a far cry from the satirical way games like GTA 5 present all characters as exaggerations of reality, including the sexualized ones.

As Cyberpunk seems to be aiming at a believable, evocative, narrative experience, having anything (sex included) be "mindless" or "just 'cause" would actively detract from its overall experience. Instead, I feel it's vitally important for it to be handled meaningfully and intelligently. That's not to say that it can't be edgy and graphic, but if so, it needs to serve a believable, evocative, and narrative purpose for the rest of the game. I don't think that many societies would consider being able to have graphic sex with other characters in a game simply because they're there to be intelligently qualifiable. Not to say that there's anything more or less wrong with it, inherently, than a game that lets you run around and kill people at random for no reason...it's just that such a thing would significantly damage the experience of Cyberpunk, in my opinion.
To boil down what I meant, would you agree that "smuttiness is fine as long as it fits with an overall artful product"?

Edit: Smuttiness can be largely for its own sake to an extent in this idea. Think Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines.
 
To boil down what I meant, would you agree that "smuttiness is fine as long as it fits with an overall artful product"?

Edit: Smuttiness can be largely for its own sake to an extent in this idea. Think Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines.

If the smut is there because it will have a meaningful impact, affect the outcome of a quest, or help to detail the conflict of the world in a thought-provoking way...then sure!

If it's there because: T&A...then no. Wrong game.

In short, if the smut is handled the way it was in Requiem for a Dream, then yes. If it's handled the way it was for Slumber Party Massacre II, then no.
 
an argument for no nudity or sex in games.

I think most games take the subject matter of sex to lightly ... and the effects of porn can be damaging to Men watch too much porn and maybe you will soon find you will not be able to preform with out it. and I think it sells the wrong message too women . women form attachments through sex and the more indiscriminate the sex the less those attachments become. the more partners the woman has the more she is unable to pair bond. until sex becomes a boring chore that doesn't mean anything. and women loses that glow and becomes dead inside.

I always hear women these days proclaim that they will not live there life for a man. yet they still expect the Man to live his life for her. but such is the state of things and I don't see things changing anytime soon.

Does this mean that sex and Nudity should have no place in a game Hardly. but the real question is there any room for Morality and clean living . and if not when did that become a bad thing? and its only a problem if you believe that deviant behavior in games/media translates and promotes Deviant behavior in the society at large? sure one can say that as an individual that I hardly feel the media has that much of an effect on me, but I can not say that for the society at large. The over saturation of Violence in our Media has desensitize our nation too killing where our youths can now find it acceptable too shoot up there schools. im old enough too know our society has changed from what it was and in my opinion not for the better. The media is constantly pushing at societal norms and the question becomes how far will it go and will we stop before society comes to the end of its rope?
 
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to go this route without mods is pretty cool I must say... it adds to the game/circumstances where the player feels more vulnerable etc.. looking forward to this... xD
 
Nothing wrong with nudity or sex as long as its not 'Here! Here look we put a pair of tits in the game! Isn't this outrageous!!'

Its like swearing, its fine but when overused or out of place it comes across as terribly immature and lame.
 
CDProjekt is Polish, so i hope they arent as afraid of nudity like many American companies are.
In America, gore and massmurder is fine, but nudity is not..
In real life you can see breasts, penises and whatnot all the time, should just take the stigmatic away from it.
And no, it doesnt need to have a "meaning" for it.
Put an "adult mode" in options if your so afraid of a pair of boobs.
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Just a detail, but can our character sleeps naked? Cause seeing the character waking up clothed in the video bugged me a little.

Will the game rating makes the final choices about censorship, or will the game change if it risk being Adult Only?
Should be able to choose to sleep in PJ, nude or just panties/underwear i guess
 
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Yeah ... but an "adult mode" will likely lead to an AO rating for the game ... which CDPR has already said isn't going to happen both implicitly (by saying it'll release on consoles) and explicitly (on discord). Will there be some nudity? ... I mean obviously the answer is yes ... there was nudity in the demo. Will there full on show everything porn? No. That would result in an AO rating. The game almost assuredly will be rated M for mature.
 
Yeah ... but an "adult mode" will likely lead to an AO rating for the game ... which CDPR has already said isn't going to happen both implicitly (by saying it'll release on consoles) and explicitly (on discord). Will there be some nudity? ... I mean obviously the answer is yes ... there was nudity in the demo. Will there full on show everything porn? No. That would result in an AO rating. The game almost assuredly will be rated M for mature.

Wasn't this game intended as a mature game for mature audience? ;D
 
something that i was wondering, was if you're character has modifications, ie. augmentations and the likes and gets thrown into a sex scene, how could those affect the scene.
an extreme example is, if you have some "exotic fashion" augmentations.
 
something that i was wondering, was if you're character has modifications, ie. augmentations and the likes and gets thrown into a sex scene, how could those affect the scene.
an extreme example is, if you have some "exotic fashion" augmentations.
Certain augmentations should definitely play a part in some sex scenes, or at least get a comment about it. Kind of like "Fisto" from Fallout New Vegas... Also in Fallout, I like the idea of the perks that "increase performance", and how they often got a reaction from an NPC because of that performance, and it could easily be wedged in with the diplomatic side of things. I suppose I don't really know much about how a character can be molded in various ways, but hopefully there is something like the Witcher 3 abilities for Axii bonuses in conversations that also play a part in sex and/or romance - that smooth talking character that can get anyone, basically.
 
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I have zero personal problem with secksy time and nudity in the game.
Even if they went so far as to detail all the things penetrating all the other things, that's okay ... for an adult audience.

With that, I do have a concern with the overwhelming demographic of children that play games, and all the children that will want to play this, and there's certainly going to be a number with fairly lax parenting that get their mittens on this game ... and then the parents discover the more explicit elements.

Now, there's certainly some debate to be had when it comes to parents allowing their children to play games depicting graphic violence with every kind and form of dismemberment, yet throwing a fit over graphic depictions of consensual secksy time.
There are, however, lots of those folks, and, that's where my main concern lies.
What happens when those same parents that are fine with decapitations, and dismemberment animations start throwing walleyed foaming at the mouth bat shiat crazy fits about their precious little darling doing nakey role play in a game that's clearly marked and marketed as a MATURE AUDIENCES title?

It brings back memories of the Satanic Panic that pervaded adult perceptions of Dungeons & Dragons in the 80s and were such a drag on the industry of pen, paper, dice games. ugh.
My hopes are that we really haven't seen much push back where other titles have shipped with adult situations, so, there shouldn't be much here either.
It's a mature game, and is not only labelled, but marketed as such. That should be abundantly clear. Yet, it's always folly to underestimate the irrational response of irrational people getting their feels up over something despite disclaimers writ large about it.
 
I have zero personal problem with secksy time and nudity in the game.
Even if they went so far as to detail all the things penetrating all the other things, that's okay ... for an adult audience.

With that, I do have a concern with the overwhelming demographic of children that play games, and all the children that will want to play this, and there's certainly going to be a number with fairly lax parenting that get their mittens on this game ... and then the parents discover the more explicit elements.

Now, there's certainly some debate to be had when it comes to parents allowing their children to play games depicting graphic violence with every kind and form of dismemberment, yet throwing a fit over graphic depictions of consensual secksy time.
There are, however, lots of those folks, and, that's where my main concern lies.
What happens when those same parents that are fine with decapitations, and dismemberment animations start throwing walleyed foaming at the mouth bat shiat crazy fits about their precious little darling doing nakey role play in a game that's clearly marked and marketed as a MATURE AUDIENCES title?

It brings back memories of the Satanic Panic that pervaded adult perceptions of Dungeons & Dragons in the 80s and were such a drag on the industry of pen, paper, dice games. ugh.
My hopes are that we really haven't seen much push back where other titles have shipped with adult situations, so, there shouldn't be much here either.
It's a mature game, and is not only labelled, but marketed as such. That should be abundantly clear. Yet, it's always folly to underestimate the irrational response of irrational people getting their feels up over something despite disclaimers writ large about it.
an easy solution to that is a toggle option at the beginning of the game. i remember a game (can't remember what game though) where at the beginning the game warned me of potential language and violence and gave me the choice as to if i wanted to play the game under a SFW rules or NSFW rules.
something as simple as that would/should solve any potential backlash as by agreeing to the NSFW ruleset of the game, they would be under the grounds of acceptance and any complaint would result in a "you agreed to play it that way" from CDPR
 
an easy solution to that is a toggle option at the beginning of the game. i remember a game (can't remember what game though) where at the beginning the game warned me of potential language and violence and gave me the choice as to if i wanted to play the game under a SFW rules or NSFW rules.
something as simple as that would/should solve any potential backlash as by agreeing to the NSFW ruleset of the game, they would be under the grounds of acceptance and any complaint would result in a "you agreed to play it that way" from CDPR

I like that. It's an extra layer of "security" authentication that protects the developer, and the the game against those that might try to gaslight the developer in passing blame for their own failure to moderate their children from content they feel strongly about.
 
But the game's rating would reflect the "NSFW" version. Heck San Andreas got an AO rating after it was discovered the the "Hot Coffee" sex scene assets were in game (even though it was only accessible through a mod on PC). "The day after the rating change, several North American chain stores, and IEMA retailers, which accounted for every major retailer in the US and approximately 85% of the game's market in the country, removed the PC AND console versions of the game from their store shelves, re-stickered the box with the new rating, or returning it to Take-Two Interactive." Hawked that quote from wiki. Rockstar ended up having to produce a new version of the game that made "Hot Coffee" scene completely inaccessible so that the game crashed if you try to do it.

CP2077 assuredly will not be AO (the game has already been confirmed for PS4 and XBox One which don't support AO games). I also doubt there will be substantially different versions on different platforms. CDPR doesn't normally engage in those kind of shenanigans.
 
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Romance doesn't fit the games dystopian theme. Sex in this game should be raunchy and meaningless.
Romance should be limitted or not included at all
 
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