Sexual preferences in CP77

[Nars]

I have totally neutral attitude towards romances in RPG with character creation system. Forced romances - hell no. Past relationships - hell yes (if option to create history for character will be in game).

I mean I used to like romances in games, but the concept itself has stuck in very simple, childlish scheme. You have a companion, you want to start relation with. So you proceed to convince her/him to yourself, by saying what she/he want to hear, solving her/his problem(s), or giving her/him stuff she want. Then you bang and romance completed. And so on in almost every RPG.

I would love to see more realistic approach. We have new generation, let the body language speek for us/npc. Gestures, hugs, facial expression. We are adults, and you know what adults do in relationships? They cheat, they lie, they use other person to achieve personal goals, they have second thoughts, they are jealous or disappointed. Yes, I'm talking about npc. And for love of god, sex isn't some sort of magical factor, or goal in itself thats ends more sophisticated interactions.

Regarding homosexual relationships, I do not mind. Why would I?

 

[braindancer12]

as Dragon said there is already a thread like this.......and yeah i dont think homosexuality is such a big thing that this thread goes will.......

 

[227]

This message brought to you buy Senator Ron Jeremy's Head....

Someone clearly took a double dose of crazy pills today. Don't you know it's bad etiquette to not share with the rest of the class?

Forced romances - hell no. Past relationships - hell yes (if option to create history for character will be in game).

Do you mean like ex-girlfriends/boyfriends?

Some of the best scenes in Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy are the interactions between Lucas and his ex-girlfriend. Provided you can look beyond the sex minigame wooing her potentially leads to, it's a surprisingly adult take on a relationship. I mean, she trusts him enough to hide him from the cops later on, even after they're broken up. Seeing something like that in another game would definitely be welcome.

 

[Nars]

Do you mean like ex-girlfriends/boyfriends?

Indeed I am.

 

[crrpt_dntt]

Do you want to know what I think? imo CDPR could never manage to pull anyt... no just kidding - nevermind

As I personally don't care so much for realistic and time-consuming romantic relations in the final game and would imagine my character rather as a lone ranger type with a range of friends and contacts I can't say that I'd demand that gay relationsships or more detailed relationsships in general get into the game. If relationsships were connected to the story and to be "carried" to game sequels it could make sense though.

I also think that if you'd try and create gay relationships in a sort of deeper way than in the unisex sort of way other games with romance "gameplay" offered, it would be very easy to not be able to even satisfy yourself with the handling of the theme or even find a concept from which to start getting things "right".

If however there is romance and relationsships in the game, than let it be like Nars described above letting the player really get the feeling of being in a relationship with his/her counterpart with all ups and downs and the game in fact taking a break from the narrative for the sake of letting the player further connect to those romance characters. I didn't play TW1 but when seeing how Geralt's and Pris' relationship was being handled in TW2 I couldn't imagine them being in a relationship. Whe they were together they seemed to be either argumenting about their current (quest) situation (which is ok I guess) or they found some private time for humping. There seemed to be nothing in between. Of course TW never really aime for detailed romance gameplay but if in the end it wouldn't be at least 24 times more deep-structured I don't think I could get much satisfaction out of a relationship in CP2077 either so for me its either put a lot of emphasis on creating a believable way to play out relationships or just focus on other key aspects of gameplay variation.

As for "gay themed clubs, wear, merch" it should be in the game - I'd actually find it weird if it were to be completely left out or if gays had to hide their romantic and sexual preferences in a real world setting set in the future.

 

[chriswebb2020.736]

Lets not forget asexuality and androgeny. Those were valid options in 2020, particularly in the Euro theatre.

Androgenes were gender neutral, having had all sexual reproductive organs removed, along with the related hormone glands. They were viewed as being honest and incorruptible due to the fact that they would not let those kinds of emotions cloud their judgement.

As for relationships, I would like to see some random elements. There should be no guarantees that someone will stick with you if you just keep saying the right thing or avoid doing the wrong thing. During character creation a system could be in place that decides who is and isn't attracted to the player and what they need to remain in a relationship, (and indeed if they will stay for the long term or if they are just up for a fling.)

I don't want to see romance guides in a wiki somewhere for 2077.

 

[crrpt_dntt]

honest and incorruptible, eh? sure you didn't mean something like evil Vulcans?

 

[chriswebb2020.736]

honest and incorruptible, eh? sure you didn't mean something like evil Vulcans?

Ah, now Varys is only half way there. He may be a eunuch, but he still has emotional reactions. Androgens ave almost all emotions repressed.

And Varys is incorruptible. He does what he does for the good of the empire, not for himself or any king.

 

[kofeiiniturpa]

Gotta ask... What is this weird obsession with sex, genitals and some sort of ego stroking through sexual fullfillment in videogames these days? I mean, the first thing I saw when I came to check out if there are any news was that there is a thread about oversexualisation, this about sexual preferences and one where someone asks for a cock on screen among the top 5-7 threads.

First I thought, "Ok, I better leave you guys at it and move on". But then... this sort of thing is going on almost on every RPG forum there is. What is this; what is there to achieve with all this?

 

[wisdom000]

Gotta ask... What is this weird obsession with sex, genitals and some sort of ego stroking through sexual fullfillment in videogames these days? I mean, the first thing I saw when I came to check out if there are any news was that there is a thread about oversexualisation, this about sexual preferences and one where someone asks for a cock on screen among the top 5-7 threads.

First I thought, "Ok, I better leave you guys at it and move on". But then... this sort of thing is going on almost on every RPG forum there is. What is this; what is there to achieve with all this?

Some people have never touched real boobs, and video games are as close as they are going to get to having a sexual relationship...

Others are just weird i guess....

 

[Maelcom404]

I'm okay with penis, only if i can kill people with it.
Don't ask me how :cheers:

Otherwise, i don't care, i'd take a great Night City, a good story, a lot of cyber-enhancements/guns and an overall enjoyable game over sex scenes or nudity anydays.
That said, yes it would be nice to be able to walk around naked, and having people being "shocked" by your nuditiy like:
"Go get some clothes! Pervert!", could be fun.

Or something cool would be to have your clothes getting ripped off as you fights / bullets gets througts it.

Anyway, even if CDPR doesn't put any vagina or dick in Cyberpunk, i'm sure a bunch of Modders will do, so it's a non-problem, I guess you should be able to be naked if you remove all your clothes, but showing genitals.... i don't know, it's cyberpunk, not "Sexvilla 2077", I just don't see the point actualy.
That would just be too much tempting for some guys to adapt it in a perv's mod like the Skyrim one where you can humps on girls... (unless that's actually what people want), personally, the only thing I want to humps people with, are explosive bullets from a polymere Arasaka's heavy assault rifle.

 

[kofeiiniturpa]

Some people have never touched real boobs, and video games are as close as they are going to get to having a sexual relationship...

Others are just weird i guess....

Yeah, probably something like that. I was going to guess it must be some sort of guilty pleasure like playing strip poker on C64 back in the day, but people talking about these things seem (a bit) older than 7, so it's probably something more serious.

 

[azriel77]

Gotta ask... What is this weird obsession with sex, genitals and some sort of ego stroking through sexual fullfillment in videogames these days? I mean, the first thing I saw when I came to check out if there are any news was that there is a thread about oversexualisation, this about sexual preferences and one where someone asks for a cock on screen among the top 5-7 threads.

First I thought, "Ok, I better leave you guys at it and move on". But then... this sort of thing is going on almost on every RPG forum there is. What is this; what is there to achieve with all this?

Actually, most of the sex threads on other forum sites are from the extreme groups who DO NOT want any sex or nudity in a game, they go on every gaming forum and they demand every game cater to everybody, and are offended at any showing of skin on women or having even attractive women in games. It is a combination of extreme feminizim/white knights/trolls/LGBT groups. While there are some extremes on those asking for adult stuff and some are horny teens, the other end of the spectrum is actually adults who just want games to actually grow up and cater to them. That includes having adult situations like sex/nudity/etc in the games they play. The average (hardcore) gamers are males in late 20's and 30's, but a lot of game companies treat games like they are only for kids.

 

[wisdom000]

Actually, most of the sex threads on other forum sites are from the extreme groups who DO NOT want any sex or nudity in a game, they go on every gaming forum and they demand every game cater to everybody, and are offended at any showing of skin on women or having even attractive women in games. It is a combination of extreme feminizim/white knights/trolls/LGBT groups. While there are some extremes on those asking for adult stuff and some are horny teens, the other end of the spectrum is actually adults who just want games to actually grow up and cater to them. That includes having adult situations like sex/nudity/etc in the games they play. The average (hardcore) gamers are males in late 20's and 30's, but a lot of game companies treat games like they are only for kids.

I have never seen what you describe, not once... Never have a I seen a large movement on a gaming site calling for the end to all sexuality and sexualization.

What I do see all the time is people wanting sex and nudity in games and saying it;s because they are mature and adults, and the games should have mature adult content. When the reality is, sex and nudity have nothing to do with maturity or being adult... Then when told that sex isn't the focus of the game, that graphic depictions of sex would tank it's marketability, and that there are people who have better things to do in a game than jerk off, they resort claiming victimization and martyrhood.

The truth is, unless you are playing with a really odd group of people, sex doesn't really come up in the tabletop version either, except perhaps as a "Fade to black" moment... Sex isn't a huge part of the genre either, for the most part it's background scenery and fade to black moments. Because playing with cool tech, running around in a cool world, and shooting people with your cool gun, is far more interesting and fun than sitting around watching pixel porn.

 

[Garrison72]

Speak for yourself, I had a blast with Triss.

*bowchickabowow*

 

[Sardukhar]

I have never seen what you describe, not once... Never have a I seen a large movement on a gaming site calling for the end to all sexuality and sexualization.

The truth is, unless you are playing with a really odd group of people, sex doesn't really come up in the tabletop version either, except perhaps as a "Fade to black" moment... Sex isn't a huge part of the genre either, for the most part it's background scenery and fade to black moments. Because playing with cool tech, running around in a cool world, and shooting people with your cool gun, is far more interesting and fun than sitting around watching pixel porn.

To each their own, Wisdom. I have seen what Az is talking about on forums - both the reaction to sex and the equally vociferous counter-reaction. I'm not sure I'd describe it as anything other than a vocal minority, however.

You raise an excellent point, as well. Although sexuality is a key, key part of human relationships and a tremendous motivator and determiner of our successes and failures, we don't see it very often in tabletop. If at all. Awkward, of course. Primarily male players, another reason. And also, I feel, a key cause of groups self-destructing. I'm sure you've seen it.

That said, leaving sex out of a story, especially one set in circumstances that would otherwise lead to it's frequent inclusion, (wartime, close quarters bonding with the opposite or same sex, prison, romantic plotlines, high-tension adventure stories, all the above in one plot, etc) it does seem odd we leave sex out of so many stories in video game world. It's there in movies, television and in elaborate detail in literature.

As I said, I can take it or leave it in my cyberpunk stories, (along with romance), but perhaps that's a blindness on my part. Maybe sex and romance should play a much larger role in cyberpunk video games, (certainly sex is very present in the genre, if not romance), becoming as significant a motivator and game-changer as violence. Why not?

 

[dragonbird]

We seem to be heading back to the "Oversexualisation" topic, possibly because the multitude of gender preferences is already a given for everyone so there's nothing to discuss?

In an attempt to drag us back on-topic:
Yes, I would expect the game to reflect the full range of gender preferences of potential players, and the larger range of options that technology has made available in the game world.
The game world may also consider certain kinds of gender preference to be "deviant", if that fits in the story-line, but I wouldn't expect that to be about something as ordinary as homosexuality (or any other real-life gender alignment).
I *HOPE* that they don't go the bioware route and make the preferences of potential love interests change to reflect the main character's preferences. Similarly, you shouldn't be able to romance/have sex with someone just because the player desires it, or by following some rote dialogue options given in a wiki. Disappointment should be a part of this world.

And off-topic, I agree with Sard (I hate it when that happens). Sex, and nudity, shouldn't be ignored or left out. Nor should it be over-explicit - it isn't about censorship, it's about the game selling and about it getting publicity for being a great game, not because of some artificially-generated PR controversy.

 

[chriswebb2020.736]

Others are just weird i guess....

STOP LOOKING AT ME!!!


...what?

 

[Decatonkeil]

I have never seen what you describe, not once... Never have a I seen a large movement on a gaming site calling for the end to all sexuality and sexualization.

What I do see all the time is people wanting sex and nudity in games and saying it;s because they are mature and adults, and the games should have mature adult content. When the reality is, sex and nudity have nothing to do with maturity or being adult... Then when told that sex isn't the focus of the game, that graphic depictions of sex would tank it's marketability, and that there are people who have better things to do in a game than jerk off, they resort claiming victimization and martyrhood.

The truth is, unless you are playing with a really odd group of people, sex doesn't really come up in the tabletop version either, except perhaps as a "Fade to black" moment... Sex isn't a huge part of the genre either, for the most part it's background scenery and fade to black moments. Because playing with cool tech, running around in a cool world, and shooting people with your cool gun, is far more interesting and fun than sitting around watching pixel porn.

Well, I think a videogame lends itself better for sex or sex related scenes that a pnp RPG. I can imagine how, heh, unimaginably uncomfortable it would be to GM that kind of situation and tell the players what their sex partner is doing and how it feels XD.

Over all I just want CDPR to feel like they can portray how sexual the Cyberpunk world can be in as many dimensions as they feel they want to portray, from the more "unattached" of relationships to the more "attached". People who can only disociate sex from love and people who can only do the opposite and everything in between. We can take it if they want to go explicit, and we will also appreciate subtlety and metaphor. And you know, we're talking sex in the broader sense of the word, which also encompasses affectivity, character psychology, etc. But it wouldn't hurt one bit if once in a while they make a more juvenile use of it among all the serious and adult moments: one can't be serious all the time.

 

[dragonbird]

If this is going to turn into another conversation about whether or not there should be sex in the game, I'm merging it back with the other thread.

Do we have anything to say regarding gender preferences?