This. Very much this. Human rights injustices should be very common in Cyberpunk - if you aren't being discriminated against, you aren't Cyberpunk.
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While I agree with this to some level, Cyberpunk tends to have acceptance for LGBT individuals, or at least as far as anyone is accepted in a cold dark future. Plus Cyberpunk futures tend to be fairly sexually permissible. So I don't think LGBT discrimination will be an issue.
But that's for society at large. Gangs (especially posergangs) might limit themselves to a specific ideal. Anti gay stuff will continue, but be more like racism today, where it's not socially acceptable so bigots resort to more subtle arguments. In fact, you kinda see that now with anti gay people.
Oh, yeah, that's true, no one cares who fucks who as long as it's consent and adult-ish, etc.
On the other hand, hatred and bigotry are still rampant, not like the bigots went away. So if you want an excuse to shit-kick someone, their dating preference will work. Although it's -so- Twentieth to care...
More likely to beat them for their clothing taste, really. Or which faction they belong to. Skin colour is still a thing in lots of places.
And booster gangs will happily call you whatever strikes them as most offensive as they kill you for giggles, whether it's because you're Filipino or two girls together, doesn't really matter. The point is to hurt you in every way.
Then take your organs.
On the contrary in Cyberpunk I think they've multiplied ... all those new technologies, attitudes, and social structures to get indignant about!
Yeah I have to say I'm not overly familiar with the Cyberpunk world - I was simply basing it off the idea that our society is growing increasingly accepting of different ways of living. Obviously I know there will be injustices and such in Cyberpunk (otherwise it would probably feel like a Sci-Fi version of Animal Crossing) but what I think would be good would be a less constrained idea of human sexuality (and perhaps) gender, since even if some people object to certain things, it doesn't seem to make sense for everyone in 2077 to have the same mindset and beliefs as people from 2016, if you see what I mean?
Do you think CDPR will explore skin-colour racism in Cyberpunk? There are lots of RPGs that touch on sexism (you get different treatment from NPCs or your character gets different dialogue) but I've seen far fewer try to tackle racism in any shape, perhaps because it's more controversial?
Personally I think that if sexism can be explored in video games, racism should be something worth exploring too, but at the same time, if it's done badly, it will probably end up hurting the game rather than improving it, so i'm not sure.
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In TW3 there was a lot about racism (Non-Humans, magical-gifted, etc), so I think that CDPR is able to handle that. But it still should fit in the CP universe and shouldn't be a simple reflection of our society. Maybe hate against people without augmentation is a thing.
I would argue that racism against elves or other non-humans and mages isn't the same because it's fantasy racism that doesn't exist in our world. It would be like having sexism in the Witcher against a third gender that doesn't exist in our world.
My point was simply that racism very rarely is depicted in video games in the same way that sexism is, and I am wondering if CDPR will choose to do the same, or do what fantasy and sci-fi games do, which is pick a fantasy race or something non-human and explore racism against them, rather than racism between human races. (Although personally I think it's odd that a lot of sci-fi games seem to assume that humanity meeting aliens will suddenly mean racism between humans will automatically vanish)
Well, for some reason it makes sense for SJWs that the Witcher universe should have the racial diversity of 2016 San Francisco, so...
Anyway, 2077 Night City is going to be a really shitty place, so I would expect every sort of problems we have today. Or worse.
Whoopsie. SJW, pejorative. We're gonna walk carefully around pejoratives here, unless meant clearly in jest, with a cooperating party.
I don't care what a poster's agenda is, generally, but some terms are fire-starter terms. Let's avoid them, thanks.
I agree. Racial diversity in TW3 would have ruined the game, while a LACK of racial diversity in CP77 will do the same. It's all about the setting. There were few to no non-whites in Poland in the 13th century, and the same applied to Sapkowski's novels, so it made perfect sense, for TW3 to be an all-white game. CP77, on the other hand, is our world in the future, and that means tons of different people, and not just in terms of skin pigmentation.
If the gameplay, reactivity and storyline delivered I wouldn't give a shit if every character was a dark blue harmaphrodites that laid eggs.
Well, maybe I would care some, it'd look pretty stupid that way, but the game is what drives the whole thing, not how inclooosive it is.
Well, maybe I would care some, it'd look pretty stupid that way, but the game is what drives the whole thing, not how inclooosive it is.
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Again I feel like stating that a different mindset and beliefs =/= a lack of -isms or bigotry.
If we look at 1916 and the types of things people were discriminated against during that time period, it is, with a few exceptions, vastly different to the kinds of discrimination (not to mention the ways that this discrimination is experienced and expressed) that we have now, in 2016.
For example, back in 1916 if a woman was unmarried and she got pregnant, she'd likely be sent to an insane asylum (in my country, at least). Now obviously women might face discrimination or social stigma for being a single mother, but obviously in most cultures she isn't going to be forced into an insane asylum. These are the sorts of differences I think it would be great if CDPR could consider when they are making the game. .
So on that note, I really feel that it would be strange for the culture of 2077 to discriminate against people in the same way that people are discriminated against today.
If we look at 1916 and the types of things people were discriminated against during that time period, it is, with a few exceptions, vastly different to the kinds of discrimination (not to mention the ways that this discrimination is experienced and expressed) that we have now, in 2016.
For example, back in 1916 if a woman was unmarried and she got pregnant, she'd likely be sent to an insane asylum (in my country, at least). Now obviously women might face discrimination or social stigma for being a single mother, but obviously in most cultures she isn't going to be forced into an insane asylum. These are the sorts of differences I think it would be great if CDPR could consider when they are making the game. .
So on that note, I really feel that it would be strange for the culture of 2077 to discriminate against people in the same way that people are discriminated against today.
Jesus. Women got sent to insane asylums for children conceived out of wedlock? What the heck country is that?
On topic: while what you're saying is very true, those issues will always exist, just like there are still some people that fly the Confederate Flag from their houses and cars. Even if it's toned down greatly in CP77, it should still be shone. Prejudice will never entirely go away. But, I also think that racism, sexism, and homophobia shouldn't be the primary prejudices displayed in the game. I think the focus should be set on augmented humans versus non-augmented humans, but that's just one man's opinion.
One possibility is the good ol' US of A. Could be anywhere, though.
Keep in mind that until the 1970's, when a massive media expose happened, asylums in America more closely resembled concentration camps than modern mental institutions, and there are currently (and legally) youth programs in some states that utilize old timey prison style rockbreaking work because it "builds character." And that's for treating depression.
Imagine our world without all the Political Correctness garbage.
In fact ... maybe think how people viewed things during WW II and project that sort of attitude into 2077. For the most part people will be polite to your face (because even most bigots don't want to fight 24/7) but behind your back ...
I have a feeling your idea of political correctness and mine are likely quite different, so I'm not sure even if I did imagine the world without it we would arrive at the same situation
Please stop with the "political correctness" stuff, ok. What ever you think is right what ever you think is wrong, please let it exist in your own world views. Please let there be bigotry and racism and zealotry, please let there be the opposite.
Please let the developers decide, and please let the devs be sane with this regard.
OK?
Please let the insanity die and be yourselfs, ok?
Please let the developers decide, and please let the devs be sane with this regard.
OK?
Please let the insanity die and be yourselfs, ok?
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