some people just aren't effusive and ingratiating by nature.Sadly his valoration of Cyberpunk 2020 wasn't much nicer. Something about geeks wanting to be cool or something like that. Who reads cyberpunk anyways? I wouldn't say it's the grabbag definition of geek that includes being manchildren with... a certain physique, a certain set of interests, or that quote oaths while doing certain gestures or stances... but still, some kind of geeks to go insulting them, your own audience like that.
I used to be kind of hard on Shadowrun, but that to me had to do with being tired of RPGs having to shove fantasy into every mix because RPGs. Now I think they mixed it in an interesting way, even if I still prefer a purer RPG simulation fo the cyberpunk tropes without anything alien to it. I mean, at least we have pure Cyberpunk RPGs, are there even pure Steampunk or Dieselpunk rpgs or games that don't involve anything supernatural?
Wow, I don't know what kind of tricks my tired mind is playing on me, I had misread your whole comment as "you taking the manchildren thing as a personal insult". Are you suggesting that I'm one of those? Where acting as if I felt insulted? I'm just saying that it didn't seem very appropriate. Who was he calling "geeks that want to be cool"? I didn't take it upon myself to make an RPG that honors the tropes, nor did I play it, as much as I look forward to doing so in any format, PnP or videogame. I just pose the question, who reads cyberpunk? The cool kids? I mean, we are like the bad guys of geekdom, but a kind of geeks nonetheless. Does that mean I think any less of Gibson? Hell, no. But it was, in my opinion a poor choice of words and a poor judgment on his part.some people just aren't effusive and ingratiating by nature.
also, i find it's the actual manchildren who are the ones to take those types of candid statements as personal insult.
Ok, let's recap what happened here:he's saying shadowrun's not his cup of tea and provided several reasons for it. nothing really inappropriate about that. it's no different than a filmmaker or writer saying he wants to do something original and meaningful other than another superhero movie. sure there are a lot of fans of that genre, but people generally have to concede the flaws and move on. and bryan singer's probably more livid about the pedophilia bust than any insinuations regarding his body of work. i don't think it was meant as an insult.
I take that personally, you know!Point out what's wrong and why, give me an alternative to consider and I'll love you for it, I thrive on constructive criticism.
Some folks however seem to see any criticism of their opinions as a personal attack. :rtfm:
:fish:I take that personally, you know!