Skyrim is Generic says Konrad. T

[KMAAA]

Skyrim is Generic says Konrad. T

http://www.playereffort.com/?p=2967

(My rebuttal, no scorn or hate to either company)

CD Red.. What??

Brand Skyrim generic, linear. Sounds like TW1 and TW2.

Or how about two and now soon three games where we have no character customization and are forced into a linear story of Geralt. Rather than our own, as an Elf, Imperial, Nord. You know. Our choice to customize and change ourselves.

Or how about Skyrim's ability to change our gear immensly (helmets, hoods, pauldrons,etc) and our fighting styles? Seems linear.

Oh and mods. How about you release a Dev Kit for The Witcher? Skyrim did it? Why? Because they don't need to force us into DLC and let us create our own content. Until you, CD, decide to let us change Geralt into MachoManRandySavage screaming YEAH, please don't compare anything you've done to Bethesda's work. Seriously, you have a mod section here that is pointless, RESKINS? HAH, I have Lord of the Rings armor completely meshed in Skyrim, what can your modders do? Actually. We have Witcher armor in Skyrim as well. Go figure.

Both your games are too different to compare or even criticize about being "linear" or "generic", because both are linear and generic, in their own ways. Don't comment on the lines of dialouge as dialouge is and always will be finite. Skyrim's vast continent is difficult to render speech and line for everyone but it's a beautiful, moddable world. The Witcher is small, but rich in detail and dialouge, character growth, but is not much more than an organic corridor level.

While you may want the Witcher 3 to change that, I don't think the Witcher can or should compete with Skyrim/Morrowind/Oblivion size regions. Why? Because the Witcher isn't known for that. We all love TW2 without the Skyrim size didn't we, will we hate it if TW3 changes that? And to develop characters AND have a gigantic open world is a development nightmare.

So realistically, The Witcher 2 is just as generic because no matter how much I play, Geralt and friends will have the same dialouge playthrough 1,2,3,4,5,6,etc. And the Witcher 3 will be the same. Why? Because you cannot make enough dialouge to achieve what you are hoping to achieve. Unless you create a Smart AI that can render new dialouge constantly at the same pitch of the VO's voice, it's not changing. We can't even mod that into Skyrim, it's not possible.

While the TW2 is great, and so is Skyrim, the fact that CD decided to slander them is low. Of all people I'd think CD Red should know how difficult it is to develop a game or a world.

TL;DR, I don't think CD should be slandering Skyrim about generic-ness, as both games are generic and linear just like any type of media with a finite end.

P.S. Rebute my statement and question this piece, but please keep it civil.

 

[Garsun]

Now that's a butthurt of epic proportions.

 

[Hotjimmies]

lel

 

[goopit]

So uhh.. have you even played Witcher 1 and 2? Just asking since you're comparing the two.

A number of us here played Skyrim even completed it almost 100%.

 

[Aver]

They released mod tools for TW1, and mod tools for TW2 are being beta tested right now.

By generic they meant that your actions in Skyrim don't change world or NPCs. In TW games your actions changes world and NPC reactions. They want to keep it in TW3 even tho they make open world game.

I respect your opinion, but when you are saying that TW3 can't compete in size of the world even tho you haven't seen game yet, it sounds like you are whining because you are afraid that they will make it better than Bethesda.

 

[harhar]

What does the level on charactercustomization have to do with how generic a game is?

The characters and quests in Skyrim are bland and interchangable. There is no depth to basically any of the characters. Most quests are the same "go to place x, kill shit and bring me other shit" types of quests. There is no personal conflict in the story that draws you in and the game does not deliver a well paced, exiting story like in Witcher 2.

Btw. there is a modkit coming soon for Witcher 2.

 

[drunknmunkey666]

I tend to try to let people think and say what they want to, even developers of my favorite games - wouldn't want them to come by and tell me how I should behave!

 

[AhmadMetallic]

You're on the Witcher forums, don't expect to be met with much understanding.

I'm not even hating on these forums, I've been here a week I don't really know many people, I'm saying in general that the forums of X will not accept your criticisms of X or your praise of -X.


But to reply to you, while I think Witcher > Witcher 2 > Skyrim, I basically agree with you because you're making sense. Skyrim is much more than what CDPR said about it in the video interview, it was an offensive understatement.
And until CDPR can prove otherwise, you hit the nail on the head: Developing character and an open world is development nightmare.

Try to relax a little though, you make good points just don't get angry, makes you sound butthurt.

 

[Aaden]

If you actually watch the interview, or read the whole article you linked (as its headline is misleading), you'll see that he was very specific about what aspects of Skyrim were generic.
He didn't say "Skyrim is generic. Full stop.". Skyrim's world certainly isn't, but its quests and story are - because they neither trigger change in the world and its perception of you, nor do they react to it (apart from some lines you get to hear when walking by NPCs).

Character customization and moddability have absolutely nothing to do with how generic a game is, by the way.

You're on the Witcher forums, don't expect to be met with much understanding.

And why not? I think this place, if any on the internet, has the capability to meet different opinions with solid arguments.

After all, he's not trolling or ranting without reason. He's pointed out some "weak spots" of TW, even though CDPR never even tried to cater to them and they're mostly borne from a misconception of what "generic" means.

Still, his defending some of the weaker spots of Skyrim is valid, and CDPR will have to proof if they're able to do better. Many of us here have also pointed out that the depth TW1 and TW2 is incredibly difficult and takes enormous effort to deliver on a vast open world scale. We'll have to wait and see, if it can be done. I doubt that Bethesda is lazy or doesn't bother to try, but tries to find a compromise between the amount of work that can be done in a realistic development time and the depth they can achieve with it in a large world.

 

[eva02langley]

Skyrim is the most generic game of the decade.
Oblivion was bad, but this one is even worst.

You are getting in a cave, kills things, loot out and sell your treasure to the market.

It's a big armadillo in the hole game. You hit whatever you see without any reasons.

That game have no soul.

 

[Aver]

Skyrim is the most generic game of the decade.
Oblivion was bad, but this one is even worst.

You are getting in a cave, kills things, loot out and sell your treasure to the market.

It's a big armadillo in the hole game. You hit whatever you see without any reasons.

That game have no soul.

Your avatar fits your post perfectly!

 

[Sirnaq]

I think you have no idea what word generic means, also you are ignoring whole context of his speech. Not to mention you cleraly never played witcher 2 if you think you always get same dialogues on every playthrough.

P.S. Good try , you probably get a lot of attention.

 

[Garrison72]

If it's any consolation OP, just about all fantasy games are generic next to The Witcher.

 

[wichat]

Any decision I've taken in Skyrim didn't make me feel happy, or guilty or just made me stop and think twice, I only followed the need to find something more thrilling in the next quest... I failed....

In both TW I lived a story with human contradictions... that's mature and no-generic game for me.
Bethesa vs CDPR? who invented such a nonsense? /> Each game has its gamers, to pretend to be better than another is a stupid idea.

CDPR won't be better than XXX. They want make the best game than they can imagine... where's the problem? Till now they're making it at every step... something that not all others devs can say.

Perfect RPG? When anyone make this game I will surely not play it. Perfection is boring.../>

 

[goopit]

ya know this might be some troll post and we've fallen right for it.

 

[eva02langley]

If it's any consolation OP, just about all fantasy games are generic next to The Witcher.

No, there is a good couple of RPGs out there that are not generic.

What is funny is that supernes games are less generic than the billions of newer games.

Super Mario RPG, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Ogre Battle, Zelda a link to past...

why can't we have a good RPG every year with the amount of trash we have on the market right now is beyond me... >:/

 

[eva02langley]

Your avatar fits your post perfectly! />

She sure have the same personality as me >XD

 

[goopit]

Chrono Trigger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-h-n43xOqg

I loved Chrono Cross's main theme. Chrono Triger was the shit back then but maybe it'd be considered generic by today's standards. I don't remember much of it though memories really fuzzy.

 

[cmdr_silverbolt]

CDPR is free to have its opinion (calling it generic is not "slander"), I don't understand why it should affect your opinion of Skyrim if you like it. You also can't expect people to agree with you, regardless of it being the Witcher forum. Because people like to put stock in the words of "authority", you will hear a lot of people parroting that Skyrim is generic. As a gamer, the situation is win-win: CDPR calling Skyrim generic spurs the competition into doing better, and also we can expect great work from CDPR. I don't see any need to post in defense of Skyrim.

 

[cmdr_silverbolt]

Chrono Triger was the shit back then but maybe it'd be considered generic by today's standards.

Woah, woah, woah. That's practically blasphemous.

You're right that technology changes things, but somethings never lose their cultural or nostalgic value, like a lot of the game on GOG.