So I just finished the last book...

[bratinov]

So I just finished the last book...

So I just finished the last book [it just came out in Bulgarian] and it bothers me.I wasn't exactly expecting a happy ending but I found the dark themes a little overkill.[almost stopped reading at some point]pslease don't read the spoilers if you haven read the books, it will ruin your experience.

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Geralt died because he hesitated, but why exactly did Yennefer die? out of exhaustion or did she want to die?

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So Ciri left Geralt and Yennefer in limbo and went exploring the real world, what is up with that?

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Why did only Geralt get to return and not Yennefer? Why didn't Ciri return and we got this Alvin BS?Anyone else sad that Geralt doesn't remember Yennefer or Ciri, or his fallen friends for that matter?

 

[ushiromiyareiji]

So I just finished the last book [it just came out in Bulgarian] and it bothers me.I wasn't exactly expecting a happy ending but I found the dark themes a little overkill.[almost stopped reading at some point]pslease don't read the spoilers if you haven read the books, it will ruin your experience.

Spoiler

Geralt died because he hesitated, but why exactly did Yennefer die? out of exhaustion or did she want to die?

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So Ciri left Geralt and Yennefer in limbo and went exploring the real world, what is up with that?

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Why did only Geralt get to return and not Yennefer? Why didn't Ciri return and we got this Alvin BS?Anyone else sad that Geralt doesn't remember Yennefer or Ciri, or his fallen friends for that matter?

This should come as no surprise.Sapkowski's books are extremely dark and depressing and there's nearly no happy endings for any of the stories told in them.

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Yen died, because she tried to ressurrect Geralt.But a sorceress like her cannot harness enough power to do that, only someone like Ciri could.So Yen's life force was drained in return.And she dies. :

 

[vilgefortze]

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To be honest, "dies" is a strong word. Yennefer is stuck in limbo. As far as I remember, her cause of "death" was magical exhaustion. Geralt died when he was stabbed in the gut by a pitchfork. Let it be clear that he was hit in the first place because he HESITATED to strike.It wasn't a freak accident.

 

[bratinov]

I think I'll replay the game again to see the references I missed, I did think most of Dandelion's stories ware bull the first playing I have a whole new perspective now, never liked Triss before, and I still don't. She was a bit OOC in the game I think.

 

[vilgefortze]

I can assure you, ALL of Dandelion's tales in the game are references to real incidents.

 

[ushiromiyareiji]

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To be honest, "dies" is a strong word. Yennefer is stuck in limbo. As far as I remember, her cause of "death" was magical exhaustion. Geralt died when he was stabbed in the gut by a pitchfork. Let it be clear that he was hit in the first place because he HESITATED to strike.It wasn't a freak accident.

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Well, it's not exactly better than actually dying, so it doesn't matter that much.However, for the sake of accuracy, I'm grateful you cleared that up.

I recently read about some interview that Sapkowski gave to his fans at the Icon Festival, in which he supposedly expressed his desire to return to Geralt's adventures and he presumably hinted he'll start writing a follow-up next year.Is there any truth to that?

 

[fantasta]

I recently read about some interview in which he supposedly expressed his desire to return to Geralt's adventures and he presumably hinted he'll start writing a follow-up next year.Is there any truth to that?

Yes. I think there are two possibilities here: a) a continuation of the saga since

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Geralt and Yen are not dead at the end of the saga (in my humble opinion)

b) Witcher Universe - about some characters loosely connected with Geralt

 

[ushiromiyareiji]

[quote author="A.D. fantasta"] a) a continuation of the saga since

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Geralt and Yen are not dead at the end of the saga (in my humble opinion)

[/QUOTE]Interesting thought.Why do you think that?I mean, it was explicitly stated that

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Geralt died, and nothing could be done for him, because the wound was far too great.Zoltan, Dandellion and a few other of his closest friends, witnessed how he died.Yen also "died" trying to ressurrect him.(By the words of Vilgefortza, she's actually somehow trapped in Hell's first circle.)What makes you think they both survived?

As for [quote author="A.D. fantasta"]b) Witcher Universe - about some characters loosely connected with Geralt[/QUOTE]Possible, but I'm not sure if I'd want to see that.I mean, as great as all the other characters are,

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The Witcher without Geralt, Yen and Ciri (or at the very, very least Geralt) can't be as good.

Or, it could be:1.

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Just a collection of a few short stories about how the people close to Geralt are dealing with his death and what they are doing now;

2.A prequel of some sort;3.Some backstories of the more minor characters or something;and 4. - which is the worst possible scenario in my opinion - an entirely new character, just the same universe and a few characters from Geralt's adventures present, as you suggested.

 

[fantasta]

[quote author="A.D. fantasta"] a) a continuation of the saga since

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Geralt and Yen are not dead at the end of the saga (in my humble opinion)

Interesting thought.Why do you think that?I mean, it was explicitly stated that

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Geralt died, and nothing could be done for him, because the wound was far too great.Zoltan, Dandellion and a few other of his closest friends, witnessed how he died.Yen also "died" trying to ressurrect him.(By the words of Vilgefortza, she's actually somehow trapped in Hell's first circle.)What makes you think they both survived?

[/QUOTE]So, my very rough summary of what happened at the end - a megaspoiler:

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1. Geralt is stabbed in the stomach.2. Ciri, Triss and Yen arrive too late, Triss disperses the crowds with the help of magic but Geralt is dying, seconds later he is dead.3. Yen loses consciousness while trying to bring him back to life (she's not dead, she's unconscious, I'm positive 4. Everybody present there is depressed, Ciri says that she regrets the fact that she renounced magic.5. Ihuarraquax (a unicorn) appears amid the mist and lends Ciri his energy. And "(...)Holding the horn of the unicorn with one hand, she directed the other one at the motionless Geralt. A band of light, flickering and glowing like lava, flew from her fingers. Nobody knew how long it lasted. Since it was unreal like a dream(...)" 6. Everybody helps put unconscious Yen and Geralt into a boat, Ciri gets on the boat. The boatdrifts into the mist over the lake Eskalott, Ciri steers the boat with a long stick .7. Geralt and Yennefer wake up in the land full of sun, apple-trees, and birds. Geralt is bandaged, everything hurts him, Yen says that she'll never leave him, Ciri is not there. They don't know where they are.8. Ciri relates the whole story to Galahad, says that Geralt and Yen got married and lived happily ever after - and she starts crying (This puts a very big question mark to the reliability of the narrator, especially as far as points 5, 6 and 7 go! So, we don't know if the "resurrection" really happened because we are not sure if Ciri speaks the truth

 

[ushiromiyareiji]

Well, were this not a Sapkowski book, this might have been a somewhat possible ending.

 

[vilgefortze]

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Well, if this was a case of resurrection, she could've simply done so in the presence of his friends. Does the "boat floats away through the mists of Eskalott" remind anyone of the imagery of Styx?It does seem to indicate Geralt died.

However Sapkowski might have used such imagery to maintain the possibility of Geralt's return , just in case he ever needed to do it. If he did not bring him back, fans could always say, "well...he died". It cuts both ways, and the debate we're having right now is probably what Sapkowski intended in the first place.

 

[Jack_in_the-Green]

Considering myself spoiled after listening to the what the Devs had to say about the Witchers story and how they manage a way to "continue" it into the game, a long time ago...I would say only one thing. When you got one end, you should stick to it. Trying to "mend" things would just cheapen the story. We've witnessed that many times, but perhaps one of the most ludicrous stories there is about that is the story of Sherlock Holmes' "resurrection", forced into the author by raving fans, picking on him for many years. The results? Most of Sherlock Holmes' stories after that are really bellow par...One better example is to think of The Lord of the Rings... When Tolkien reached an end (wasnt a particulary happy one if you ask me, but very beautiful one) he sticked to it and never messed with that story again, he didnt continue the story with Samwise or the other characters...I guess what Im trying to say is that we should be grateful of what we got; many short stories and five long novels... Does anybody really want the Witcher to continue ad infinitum (and after Sapkowski dies the character and stories can get written by somebody else?)In the long run, I think there is a limited amount of stories in which a "universe" and characters like these can be before the material becomes repetitive or of lower quality.Maybe Im totally wrong, and Sapkowski has great, fresh ideas.... But maybe he's just considering milking the character for some more money (and that would be a grand error IMO, but hey, after all, he's entitled to it, its his character... ). So, summing up I say, leave this alone, I wouldnt want to risk ruining the story for the sake of having some more pages to read.

 

[vilgefortze]

@JackMy sentiments exactly. Any attempts to extend the saga will ruin some of its charm.Gearalt is (in all probability) dead. Llet him rest in peace. And others who are dead too.Game Devs have dragged him back to the land of the living, but that should NOT influence the saga in any way.

 

[alcek]

So I just finished the last book [it just came out in Bulgarian] and it bothers me.I wasn't exactly expecting a happy ending but I found the dark themes a little overkill.[almost stopped reading at some point]pslease don't read the spoilers if you haven read the books, it will ruin your experience.

Spoiler

Geralt died because he hesitated, but why exactly did Yennefer die? out of exhaustion or did she want to die?

Spoiler

So Ciri left Geralt and Yennefer in limbo and went exploring the real world, what is up with that?

Spoiler

Why did only Geralt get to return and not Yennefer? Why didn't Ciri return and we got this Alvin BS?Anyone else sad that Geralt doesn't remember Yennefer or Ciri, or his fallen friends for that matter?

Поздравления! И аз сега я завърших! It's 00:23 hours and I cant't force myself to go to bed. So many thoughts are spinning in my head....But the ending is quite clear by me...Even though its so bitter. Very much in Sapkowsky's way,no doubt.Finally I can see why the game begins this way.A little bit lame,compared to the magnitude of the novel! I suppose ,devs didn't get Sapkowsky's permit to cover the book itself,but develop a story of their own. Ironically now,as I have finished the book,the game story seems shallow and loosely borrowed from the book.And to contribute to the discussion I can only share my impressions that :

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Indeed our beloved witcher died ,along with Yen trying to save him,but in full compliance with the Conjunction Of the Spheres Theory, Ciri send them to another dimension,another "bubble" - one of many she travelled,where they couls live eternally in love , etc.Seems like a refference to the "afterlife"or"heaven" concept that we have in real life.Again - very typical of Sapkowsky,to make references in the book,that fully correspond to modern life.And, indeed, we should let Geralt and Yen enjoy their eternal love,forever and ever.No extensions of the saga,please!It would take a genius to ressurect Geralt in a believable way,along with Yen,of cource.I doubt Sapkowsky,himself to be capable of that.Sad to admit it.

 

[badangrylad]

can someone post links to all fan translated stories, i read on the forum that there are 2 or 3 . i have the last wish collection and blood of elves. but id like to read the other short stories from sword of destiny.

 

[Jack_in_the-Green]

Cassandra has started already a post in Sapkowski's section, with ALL the links...("Our Community Fan Translations").I'd advice anyone interested to go there directly. These are the first 3 fan translated stories ofthe book "Sword of Destiny". The other three, are or will be translated in the short future, I believe.The limits of the possiblehttp://tw1.thewitcher.com/forum/index.php?topic=29071.0A Shard of Icehttp://tw1.thewitcher.com/forum/index.php?topic=29232.0The Eternal Firehttp://tw1.thewitcher.com/forum/index.php?topic=29232.0

 

[badangrylad]

thanx

 

[badangrylad]

can u tell me where i can find fan wriitten stories... i read a few on the old witcher website..but now that they have upgraded and changed it i can find those anymore

 

[zax19]

Well, to tell the truth reading the 4th and 5th book was rather frustrating for me. I really liked the first 3 books, but for me it all started to fall apart after the introduction of

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Ciri's timetravel. After that you can't really accept the story, because a character has the ability to go back in time and change anything.

So I don't really think there is much logic left in the last 2 books and I advise against trying to justify what happened .

 

[freesia.430]

Well, to tell the truth reading the 4th and 5th book was rather frustrating for me. I really liked the first 3 books, but for me it all started to fall apart after the introduction of

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Ciri's timetravel. After that you can't really accept the story, because a character has the ability to go back in time and change anything.

So I don't really think there is much logic left in the last 2 books and I advise against trying to justify what happened .

I absolutely agree. I loved the first three books, but then it really got almost unreadable for me. Mainly because there was much more about Ciri than about Geralt, which wouldn´t be so bad, if she hadn´t acted in a way she had.

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Time travelling - well not entirely a bad idea, but I was always irritated when she appeared somewhere, and after a few seconds disappeared somewhere else, because she didn´t like the place. Like for example when she appeared in the "right" world, but because there was a winter and she was cold in the moment, she teleported away. What was she expacting?? - then she would appear right beside Geralt in a tavern? That was a moment I really couldn´t believe what I´m reading...

Anyway, I think anyone who starts the saga should finnish it. The end is so grateful topic for a discussion