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Demut

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#21
Jan 13, 2013
Chewin3 said:
Answers the question quite clearly.
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Do you know the definition of the auxiliary verb “might”? ’Cause that usually tends to make things everything but “clear”.
 
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Cyber_Death

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#22
Jan 13, 2013
So I take it the woman is a cyborg & not an android?
 
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spiderword

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#23
Jan 13, 2013
To make it short:"You need Psycho to get One".
 
Aver

Aver

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#24
Jan 13, 2013
Cyber Death said:
So I take it the woman is a cyborg & not an android?
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She is an augmented person. Human being.
 
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Cyber_Death

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#25
Jan 13, 2013
Aver said:
She is an augmented person. Human being.
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What's the difference between an augmented person & a cyborg?
 
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netweaver

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#26
Jan 13, 2013
Cyber Death said:
What's the difference between an augmented person & a cyborg?
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That would entirely depend on the definition the world in question gives for the two.
 
Aver

Aver

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#27
Jan 13, 2013
Cyber Death said:
What's the difference between an augmented person & a cyborg?
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There may be none and there may be huge, because there are many definitions of word "cyborg". For example character played by Arnold Schwarzenegger was called cyborg and it didn't have any human parts other than skin. So I avoid this term when I talk about people with augmentations.
 
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daddy300

Mentor
#28
Jan 13, 2013
Cyber Death said:
What's the difference between an augmented person & a cyborg?
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Could you call someone cyborg for replacing his arm or leg he lost in war or a car accident? On near full body transformation I could agree with you tho.
 
Aver

Aver

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#29
Jan 13, 2013
saoe said:
Could you call someone cyborg for replacing his arm or leg he lost in war or a car accident?
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Actually you can. Even blind people with electronic devices that allow them to "see" are called cyborgs. And I'm talking here about real life.

"The beginning of Cyborg creation began when human-computer interaction began."

Problem with this term aren't people that has minor augmentations, but robots that have some human parts.
 
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Cyber_Death

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#30
Jan 13, 2013
Interesting responses. I guess my question is solved.
 
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daddy300

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#31
Jan 13, 2013
Aver said:
Actually you can. Even blind people with electronic devices that allow them to "see" are called cyborgs. And I'm talking here about real life.
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Nah I don't see things that way. Small organ transplant or augmentations that help saving lives is natural thing. But if you choose to augment yourself with new legs and arms or eye balls? then I guess you slowly become something else.. its called psycho :D
 
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netweaver

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#32
Jan 13, 2013
Cyber Death said:
Interesting responses. I guess my question is solved.
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Nah, you just opened the pandora's box on terms that aren't arguably defined.

I would presume that the only real difference between a cyborg and an augmented person would automatically be the fact that it's not implied that a cyborg needs to start off as a person.
Unless of course you have AIs sophisticated enough to be persons. Then you're just running in circles trying to define a difference.
 
Aver

Aver

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#33
Jan 13, 2013
saoe said:
Nah I don't see things that way. Small organ transplant or augmentations that help saving lives is natural thing. But if you choose to augment yourself with new legs and arms or eye balls? then I guess you slowly become something else.. its called psycho :D
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Well, I'm talking about one of 'official definitions'. I don't like this term and avoid it because everyone has different definition of it.

Unless of course you have AIs sophisticated enough to be persons. Then you're just running in circles trying to define a difference.
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This is usually main theme of novels about cyborgs. ;)
 
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username_3499456

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#34
Jan 13, 2013
Demut said:
Do you know the definition of the auxiliary verb “might”? ’Cause that usually tends to make things everything but “clear”.
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The description says 'might' yet in the trailer we see that she joined the squad. So it is in fact quite clear. Not that hard to understand.
 
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Demut

Banned
#35
Jan 13, 2013
The Fiery Knight said:
The description says 'might' yet in the trailer we see that she joined the squad. So it is in fact quite clear. Not that hard to understand.
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We can’t be sure that it’s her. The “It was all just a simulation” possibility has not been discredited, scar or no. Why would they leave in that ambiguity in the first place if this was decidedly the case?
 
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netweaver

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#36
Jan 13, 2013
Aver said:
This is usually main theme of novels about cyborgs. ;)
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The main catch is usually either that the author adamantly refuses to outright state whether or not the AI has a personality in order to create a philosophical conflict, which is the good option :p
Or, they have or have not, which is decided, but you have idiots arguing over it, which is the political, bad option :D
 
hismastersvoice

hismastersvoice

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#37
Jan 13, 2013
Demut said:
We can’t be sure that it’s her. The “It was all just a simulation” possibility has not been discredited, scar or no. Why would they leave in that ambiguity in the first place if this was decidedly the case?
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Possibly because this particular situation was one of many. Not every recruitment case goes through exactly like this, hence the "might".
 
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username_3499456

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#38
Jan 13, 2013
Demut said:
We can’t be sure that it’s her. The “It was all just a simulation” possibility has not been discredited, scar or no. Why would they leave in that ambiguity in the first place if this was decidedly the case?
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Yet the same woman has the exact same scar she got by that bullet in the trailer. Not sure why they didn't "fix" it, but if she hadn't that scar that would be another thing. An I don't understand what you mean by " simulation". Pretty sure it was an incident where she went psycho, the psycho squad stepped in and recruited her.
 
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Demut

Banned
#39
Jan 14, 2013
Possibly. But it might just as well have been a “dream” (read: simulation) where she imagined what it might be like to go psycho and being killed by her partner in the end. Admittedly, that is the less obvious interpretation but possible nevertheless.
 
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Punknaught2020

Senior user
#40
Jan 14, 2013
There are full rules on therapy and how to regain humanity in 2020 (expensive and time consuming) so by that a full borg could have parts replaced with biotech or vat grown parts andd there you go, recruit away since she isnt over the edge anymore.

If they removed the scar in the teaser it would not be as obvious it was her.
 
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