It's 99% sure it will, but you should wait until an official announcement from Namco, as in the last one they stated they "investigate the alternatives" (or something like that). AND the PS3 version doesn't contain the DLC.siklara said:
Wtf? It's not a charity where they're giving stuff away free. Consumers are paying for it, so there are certain expectations of it being a good port, because after all the point is to tap into the pc market. A quality port will immensely help their sales in the future. A quality port with standard pc features should be a must, otherwise it doesn't take advantage of the hardware.Luc0s said:
then there's GFWL...(sigh) they really shouldn't choose it but whatever. I hope it sells well enough for a bigger and better thing in the future.
Honestly now my main reason for not getting it is because I don't know if they will even bother making the next one for PC and if they do will they do this same thing again? If Namco wants me to buy it they shouldn't have given From a $10 budget. They started withGFWL and half assed PC controls and continued going downhill. Hell they still have the framerate issues in Blighttown. How the hell do you screw up programming like that for a system multiple times more powerful than consoles? If I'm going to buy it they need to say they won't half ass it again if this makes enough money. However I doubt that. I've seen Namco before and I highly doubt they will do anything different if they will save money. Even if they don't get more money later.
You have to take that into consideration that the 30 FPS lock isn't officially confirmed, but you are right about the other things.80Maxwell08 said:
Fair enough I'll edit something into my other post. Though at this rate it seems very likely it will be there.DeargRuadhri said:
Very likely? Yes, it is, but until it isn't a hundred percent sure, I rather don't believe these rumours until it is proven that they are true.80Maxwell08 said:
Valid reasoning and I don't blame you for it. Personally I'm just hoping they won't do that. I saw a ton of comments about the PC version being equal to the console one and I've seen so many bad ports starting with a 30 FPS lock. So as far as anyone knows that is just theory. Should probably put that into my other post as well.DeargRuadhri said:Very likely? Yes, it is, but until it isn't a hundred percent sure, I rather don't believe these rumours until it is proven that they are true.
EDIT: Eh I just removed it entirely. No point in posting speculation as fact.
Yeah, we can only know things for certain once the game is released, but I am really worried that they mess up the port too (as most of the things we've heard so far is bad), so just hope for the best.80Maxwell08 said:
I was willing to look the other way for L.A. Noire because the animations really were awesome and once I tweaked it to get around a certain bug I was having the frame-rate seemed very steady and didn't bother me. But the animations in Dark Souls aren't that good to begin with, and the article said that the game still has severe frame-rate issues in Blighttown, way below 30 FPS, so it's a lot harder to accept that. I can't believe that they wouldn't bother to fix such a bug, especially since they have better hardware to work with for the PC version.MrPiggles said:
The problem I'm assuming with that is they aren't being given anywhere near enough time. Hence all the cutting corners. Namco Bandai should have just found one of those companies who specializes in porting to the PC. However I doubt any of them are in Japan and NB has a horrible track record of even releasing games outside Japan let alone working with companies outside Japan. Honestly when it comes to accepting things outside their own country Namco Bandai in general just are horrible. The PC market just happens to be one of those things.WardDragon said:
The problem is that they aren't used to planning and programming for PC architecture and didn't anticipate the problems they encountered. Japanese developers build games first and foremost for the home market, which is overwhelmingly console-oriented. From Software admitted as much earlier this month:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-07-from-software-having-a-tough-time-porting-dark-souls-to-pc-frame-rate-issues-remain
They aren't used to the Western PC gaming subculture, either, so feedback will probably be merciless and discouraging for them. It's a shame. From is a really good niche developer.
I hope this painful learning curve nets them at least modest success, and I'm really excited about the new content. I get to buy it as dlc, but since they've been decent about patching the console versions and have refrained from gouging players for every last cent on worthless add-ons, I don't mind.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-07-from-software-having-a-tough-time-porting-dark-souls-to-pc-frame-rate-issues-remain
They aren't used to the Western PC gaming subculture, either, so feedback will probably be merciless and discouraging for them. It's a shame. From is a really good niche developer.
I hope this painful learning curve nets them at least modest success, and I'm really excited about the new content. I get to buy it as dlc, but since they've been decent about patching the console versions and have refrained from gouging players for every last cent on worthless add-ons, I don't mind.
I hate Namco since they sued CDPR over removing the DRM from TW2, so I definitely agree that they don't understand how the PC market works or what PC players want. I think it's a shame that Namco's bad policies are affecting From Software though. I think From Software is inexperienced with PC games but not a bad company overall and I wish they had a better publisher.80Maxwell08 said:
There are a fair number of PC players who want to play the game but don't have a console so I think enough people would buy the PC version for it to at least break even, especially considering how cheaply it sounds like the port is being made.80Maxwell08 said:
In any case, if Japanese companies want to expand more into the Western market then they should probably follow Square's example. Square bought a bunch of Western developers, including already-popular IP's, and now they have good access to some of those companies that specialize in porting games. If they can't do it directly themselves then it makes sense to buy someone who can
You don't have to buy a company just hire them. What kyogen said was true but I though that was said eariler in the thread so I was just adding on. Though like I said NB sometimes outright refuses to have anything to do with the west just because.
Also a bit of info the PC market in Japan is almost non existent hence why so few PC games are made there in the first place. There are some exceptions but Namco isn't one of them.
Also a bit of info the PC market in Japan is almost non existent hence why so few PC games are made there in the first place. There are some exceptions but Namco isn't one of them.
GFWL is pretty much a deal breaker for me. It was just a nightmare to deal with when I last tried it with FO3. The only DRM system I hated more was Origin with ME3. The game was bad enough, but having the action freeze almost every minute because Origin popped up a message saying I had lost my connection to their servers was not only immersion breaking on its own, but led to whole conversations being skipped, and that was during the single player. I never bothered with the multiplayer, but in that context it would have been catastrophic.
I had a similar, if no where near as bad time with GFWL. Shortly after FO3's release a user made hack that disabled GFWL was released, so it could be entirely ignored. Maybe they have improved, but I really don't feel like experimenting for what sounds like another sloppy port.
I had a similar, if no where near as bad time with GFWL. Shortly after FO3's release a user made hack that disabled GFWL was released, so it could be entirely ignored. Maybe they have improved, but I really don't feel like experimenting for what sounds like another sloppy port.