Some terrifying and unpleasant stories in addition to descriptions of certain well-known game characters. Criticism, judgments, reflections.

[Fatalist]

I propose creating a unifying theme here to highlight some individual game episodes from the CP storyline, and to analyze and interpret the actions of some key NPCs, which for the most part go unnoticed by players during the game, and are not always reflected in the CP Wiki and other resources, based on actual material from the game.


To start with, a few words about Wakako Okada, the “landlady of Japan Town”:

Everyone knows how the story of the storming of "Kompeki Plaza" ended and what ultimately happened to Evelyn Parker. Many sympathize with Evelyn and consistently hate:
1. The Voodoo Boys who burned the girl's brain because of her betrayal;
2. The Scavengers who locked her in the basement of the power station, tortured her, and recorded her memories for brain dances;
3. Woodman, who raped her;
4. (?) Dr. Fingers, who, according to most, broke her and threw her away like a doll (????)

Few people realize that in the last stage of Evelyn's life, it was the “noble Lady Wako” who wrote her off (i.e., threw her to the garbage collectors) after Fingers, fulfilling his medical duty, honestly had admitted that he did not know how to help her.

Given the objectivity of this fact, and taking into account Wakako's connections with the "Tiger Claws" and her place in the gang's hierarchy, I personally see reason to assume that it is Wakako Okada who is one of the key suppliers of “human material” for the famous Jotaro Shobo in Night City.

 

[LeKill3rFou]

Given the objectivity of this fact, and taking into account Wakako's connections with the "Tiger Claws" and her place in the gang's hierarchy, I personally see reason to assume that it is Wakako Okada who is one of the key suppliers of “human material” for the famous Jotaro Shobo in Night City.

I don't think she is. I do not say she never provided any woman to Jotaro, but we know (according to Regina and messages in Jotaro's computer), his main supplier is likely Jae-Hyun Lee a scavs Regina send us to hunt on Kabuki's rooftops afterward - "Gig: Small Man, Big Evil"
But yeah, Wakako is not "nice", she's not V's friend, business come first even for the Tygers

 

[Fatalist]

But yeah, Wakako is not "nice", she's not V's friend, business come first even for the Tygers

Well, even Takemura is beginning to suspect something: )

Now.
One unpleasant thing about T-Bug.
Some people think that T-Bug is going to like V, so she sends him to Yoko's shop in Kabuki before the heist.
My opinion is that this is not the case. T-Bug not only doesn't care about any of the team members,

but also about V, as she doesn't think much of him. She even intentionally writes his name with a lowercase letter when chatting with Jackie Welles

 

[LeKill3rFou]

Well, even Takemura is beginning to suspect something: )

Yes and he's totally right. Her smiles and her courtesy are just facades. There is a shark with deadly teeth hidden behind. I think her character design, animations and voice actor(s) did a great job to point it out.
I'm sure she's involved into dirty businesses behind the scene, but she's likely not a part of Jotaro human traffic

 

[Fatalist]

Some clarifications regarding Jason Forman and Brianna Dolson:
("The Man Who Killed Jason Foreman" gig)

Brianna is not only the leader of the Longshore Stacks, selflessly caring for the unfortunate members of the community, she is also (unfortunately for me) the money holder of their local gang, a kind of bookeeper for the local gang. And Jason Forman is not a fixer, but the leader of thieves who rob Bargest's weapon drops.

A kind of heart breakining info for me indeed :'(
(Colonel Hansen, with all his arms deals, seems to have given the entire Dogtown community a new business opportunity )))

Thus, there is reason to believe that Brianna orders V to eliminate Leon Rinder not only because later had killed her friends and community members, but also because he eliminated Forman - the main source of funds, thereby depriving the community of its business. And among the slum dwellers who had been killed by Rinder, half or more were local gangoons.

 

[Dunaedine]

Well, even Takemura is beginning to suspect something: )

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Now.
One unpleasant thing about T-Bug.
Some people think that T-Bug is going to like V, so she sends him to Yoko's shop in Kabuki before the heist.
My opinion is that this is not the case. T-Bug not only doesn't care about any of the team members,
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but also about V, as she doesn't think much of him. She even intentionally writes his name with a lowercase letter when chatting with Jackie Welles
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About this, you can see the only uppercase is the first letter of the message. All first letters of other sentences, Afterlife and even the 'i' for I in the third sentence aren't uppercase. So there isn't anything to read into the fact T-Bug doesn't use uppercase for V. Only a strange way to write for a person who seems to like philosophy and litterature (but this is part of a mask).

 

[Fatalist]

About this, you can see the only uppercase is the first letter of the message. All first letters of other sentences, Afterlife and even the 'i' for I in the third sentence aren't uppercase. So there isn't anything to read into the fact T-Bug doesn't use uppercase for V. Only a strange way to write for a person who seems to like philosophy and litterature (but this is part of a mask).

It's the same thing, just expressed in different words: “I don't care about people, I don't respect anyone, I disregard the rules of etiquette and the norms of formal correspondence. And I'm also very smart, because I read philosophical books"
A kind of attitude.
... ... ...

Now for serious matters:
Everyone knows Gary the Prophet:

Everyone knows his stories about techno-necromancers from Alpha Centauri and cold immortal blood.
However, not everyone knows where he came from to Bradbury and Buran Street.
There is a remarkable place in Dogtown that is either a temple made of shipping containers or a training academy for people like Gary.

Training machines for Gary:

With a katana on the altar:

Everything is as it should be.
And the guy inside, whose name is John King, is Gary's senior comrade, teacher, or classmate.

This is what the college where street preacher Gary has received his education looks like.
With the sole assumption that Garry changed his name to Gary (a typical name generally looks like "Harry".)

 

[Fatalist]

V himself is a striking egoist when it comes to saving his own skin
I noticed that:
1. In the game V never gives his own airhypo to anyone. Never, to anyone. Under no circumstances.
Not even to dying Jackie. Not even to wounded Panam. Not even to Sandra Dorsett.

2. On the other hand, V is never opposed to using someone else's airhypo — like, from the wounded Takemura at the moment. ))

 

[Fatalist]

Well, it’s time to have a serious conversation and talk about the truly despicable characters of Night City. People like Judy Alvarez, for ex.
What could she possibly be blamed for? Quite a lot, actually.

1. Hypocrisy and the sexual and emotional exploitation of poor girls from the bottom of Night City.

Just look at the picture of Judy interrogating Fingers and tell me: isn’t there some dark irony here? Or: what’s the fundamental difference between Fingers and Judy, considering the poor girls in the sex trade who “always have something to offer” in exchange for the help they need?
Should I include here the correspondence from Judy’s home computer—the correspondence with Maiko Maeda, whom Judy helped “correct” her doll chip and alter the statistics tracked on the Clouds network? Or the correspondence between Judy and Evelyn before the robbery, where Evelyn says “everything is bad” and she’s suffering because of Suzy and rude, greedy clients? I think no, you he the learn the game enough by yourselves.

Judy picks up girls off the city streets and imposes herself on them, forcing them to pay her back with their... um... emotions, giving her “love,” filling the emotional void in her life, and providing her with new ideas for her art.
This is a typical story for her. Right in the middle of the game, she manages to go through four partners—Maiko, Evelyn, and Vi—and get married (I don't really believe it, to be honest) in case of the Tower ending.
Even after leaving the Clouds, she continues her habits at Lizzie's Bar—so much so that Suzy starts to object; apparently, certain lines have been crossed.

Well, yeah. They always have something to offer.


P.S.:
Here, in this same section, you could notice that Judy is consequently working for two rival gangs—the Tiger Claws and the Mox—which not only share territory but also hate each other with a passion.

And if we know, for example, that the Mox are tracking the Claws leaders with the aim of eliminating them
(preferably through the hands of outside mercenaries, heh-heh),

then surely, most likely, the Claws are doing the same to the Mox... that is, in this story, Judy... um... how to put it gently... too much room for maneuver. Well, yes, indeed, two gangs that hate each other are killing each other, and Judy calmly switches from one organization to another—what’s the big deal? This is just a minor side note regarding miss Alvarez.

belongs to US, heh? Do u see this?


Spoiler: That's not all—it's just the beginning of the story about the vile and repulsive Judy Alvarez.

 

[LeKill3rFou]

1. Hypocrisy and the sexual and emotional exploitation of poor girls from the bottom of Night City.

Just look at the picture of Judy interrogating Fingers and tell me: isn’t there some dark irony here? Or: what’s the fundamental difference between Fingers and Judy, considering the poor girls in the sex trade who “always have something to offer” in exchange for the help they need?
Should I include here the correspondence from Judy’s home computer—the correspondence with Maiko Maeda, whom Judy helped “correct” her doll chip and alter the statistics tracked on the Clouds network? Or the correspondence between Judy and Evelyn before the robbery, where Evelyn says “everything is bad” and she’s suffering because of Suzy and rude, greedy clients? I think no, you he the learn the game enough by yourselves.

Judy picks up girls off the city streets and imposes herself on them, forcing them to pay her back with their... um... emotions, giving her “love,” filling the emotional void in her life, and providing her with new ideas for her art.
This is a typical story for her. Right in the middle of the game, she manages to go through four partners—Maiko, Evelyn, and Vi—and get married (I don't really believe it, to be honest) in case of the Tower ending.
Even after leaving the Clouds, she continues her habits at Lizzie's Bar—so much so that Suzy starts to object; apparently, certain lines have been crossed.

Well, yeah. They always have something to offer.


P.S.:
Here, in this same section, you could notice that Judy is consequently working for two rival gangs—the Tiger Claws and the Mox—which not only share territory but also hate each other with a passion.

Oh, gosh... To make these statements, I think you missed or misunderstood a lot of stuff about Judy in the game.
- How women are treated at the Cloud.
- How women are treated at the Lizzie's bar and by the Moxes.
- Why she left the Cloud.
- Why she works at the Lizzie's bar and her role.
- Her relationship with Maiko and with Evelyn.
- Her relation with both the Moxes and the Tyger Claw.
- Why Susanna Quinn got mad at Judy.
- Why the Moxes really, really want Jotaro Shobo dead.
Sorry, but you're completely wrong. But hey, if you think she's a despicable character, that's fine. I won't try to convince you

 

[Fatalist]

Oh, gosh... To make these statements, I think you missed or misunderstood a lot of stuff about Judy in the game.
- How women are treated at the Cloud.
- How women are treated at the Lizzie's bar and by the Moxes.
- Why she left the Cloud.
- Why she works at the Lizzie's bar and her role.
- Her relationship with Maiko and with Evelyn.
- Her relation with both the Moxes and the Tyger Claw.
- Why Susanna Quinn got mad at Judy.
- Why the Moxes really, really want Jotaro Shobo dead.
Sorry, but you're completely wrong. But hey, if you think she's a despicable character, that's fine. I won't try to convince you

Quite simply, history is open to many interpretations. It’s not a matter of knowledge, but of interpretation and perspective.

One question: what’s the difference between Fingers and Judy?

 

[LeKill3rFou]

Quite simply, history is open to many interpretations. It’s not a matter of knowledge, but of interpretation and perspective.

Not really, everything I noted previously is clearly explained at some point in some way or another in the game. So no, there is not much left to interpretation...

One question: what’s the difference between Fingers and Judy?

If with amount of informations the game provides about Judy and Fingers, you still don't see the difference, there is likely nothing I can do... except maybe suggesting you to play the game once more and to pay a bit more attention this time

 

[Fatalist]

Not really, everything I noted previously is clearly explained at some point in some way or another in the game. So no, there is not much left to interpretation...

There is, actually.

Oh, gosh... To make these statements, I think you missed or misunderstood a lot of stuff about Judy in the game.
- How women are treated at the Cloud.
- How women are treated at the Lizzie's bar and by the Moxes.
- Why she left the Cloud.
- Why she works at the Lizzie's bar and her role.
- Her relationship with Maiko and with Evelyn.
- Her relation with both the Moxes and the Tyger Claw.
- Why Susanna Quinn got mad at Judy.
- Why the Moxes really, really want Jotaro Shobo dead.
Sorry, but you're completely wrong. But hey, if you think she's a despicable character, that's fine. I won't try to convince you

I think it would be more interesting to dwelve upon what exactly she does at both places.
And these reflections lead to the second point:

2. Judy’s lie.

Judy actually lies to V many times, particularly about what she does (and has done in the past).
She says different things at different times.
At the very beginning, she claims that she’s merely editing porn databases recorded from the behavioral chips of the dolls in the Clouds and the sex workers in Lizzies.
Then, from correspondence on the home computer in Judy’s apartment, we learn that she not only edits the recordings but also modifies the chips themselves (which is precisely what allowed Maiko Maedo to rise up the hierarchy of ’s dolls).

I should note here that Judy works not only with the volume of data on sexual encounters, but also with the dolls’ memory capacity in general—she is the one who has to sift through the useful data to filter out the unnecessary “emotional noise.” This will prove important later on.
The first warning bell rings when, at Jackie Wells’s request, V calls Evelyn from Compeki Plaza:

Who is this “we” that Evelyn is talking about? ))
Who exactly can Evelyn count on to extract the Relic from V's brain and purify it?

Does she have a gang of netrunners in her pocket who specialize in stolen Relics? And where does she get the money to pay them, considering that she herself complains in her correspondence with Judy that her financial situation is dire?
Or is she counting on the voodooboys? Hardly; most likely, it’s Judy whom is she reffering to.

Then it gets even more interesting:

It turns out that Judy can play with the doll chips and perform even more interesting tricks.

* I wonder if all the dolls know that Judy can reprogram their firmware to turn them into robots with Delamain’s combat mode in their heads?
Considering that the dolls’ memories are completely erased after every interaction with a client (and therefore after every session with Judy )))

Judy's work is far more varied, and she herself is far more talented than she tries to make those around her believe.
She is far more advanced and technically capable than she tries to make everyone believe.
Consequently, the tasks she performs at the Clouds and Lizzies are far more covert, complex, and varied. They must be.
No, she’s not just an "X-BD editor".

 

[Usera]

Actually, is it any difference started to form in our reality from game to real life? Like a movie idiocracy; fantasy started to become real. Have you ever noticed the things you buy got worse in the past 5 years and prices are sky high. While you try to make a living every aspect of life try to screw you in a every imaginable way. [...]

 

[SigilFey]

Reminder: no discussion of real world religions, political, or cultural issues. Let's keep the topic on the game.

 

[Fatalist]

3. Double bottom

Judy Alvarez’s devastating lie regarding the nature of her work and her dark secret is that Tiger Claws keeps records of the “activity” of all Clouds’ clients. Data is recorded in two ways—through hidden cameras in the booths

and through the neural interface of chips implanted in the dolls’ brains.
The Clouds club has an amazing and very powerful server that performs multi-channel data parsing 24/7 and, naturally, contains an extensive database on the dolls and clients.

So, who do you think is responsible for decrypting, processing, and storing the dolls’ sex session data for Tiger Claws? Who cleans the data of emotional clutter, archives it, and formats it as needed? Yes, yes. I think there can only be one candidate here.

Of course, someone might argue that when V breaks into the server room, there’s a thug with a gun sitting there, to which I can reply that he’s just an administrator who also doubles as a security guard—and besides, his job place could have been created right after the attack on Evelyn, because everyone at the club got scared and stepped up their vigilance. As for Judy, in principle, she could work remotely from home, juggling her jobs at Lizzie’s and in the Clouds.
A purely hypothetical question: does Judy sell information to third parties? It’s not out of the question, since, in essence, she has moderator access to a database that, in many ways, is more comprehensive than the NCPD’s database and could be of interest to many people. Which, theoretically, could also explain Judy’s obsessive desire to escape from Night City— or sooner or later someone could knock her door...

 

[LeKill3rFou]

3. Double bottom

Judy Alvarez’s devastating lie regarding the nature of her work and her dark secret is that Tiger Claws keeps records of the “activity” of all Clouds’ clients. Data is recorded in two ways—through hidden cameras in the booths

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and through the neural interface of chips implanted in the dolls’ brains.
The Clouds club has an amazing and very powerful server that performs multi-channel data parsing 24/7 and, naturally, contains an extensive database on the dolls and clients.

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So, who do you think is responsible for decrypting, processing, and storing the dolls’ sex session data for Tiger Claws? Who cleans the data of emotional clutter, archives it, and formats it as needed? Yes, yes. I think there can only be one candidate here.

Of course, someone might argue that when V breaks into the server room, there’s a thug with a gun sitting there, to which I can reply that he’s just an administrator who also doubles as a security guard—and besides, his job place could have been created right after the attack on Evelyn, because everyone at the club got scared and stepped up their vigilance. As for Judy, in principle, she could work remotely from home, juggling her jobs at Lizzie’s and in the Clouds.
A purely hypothetical question: does Judy sell information to third parties? It’s not out of the question, since, in essence, she has moderator access to a database that, in many ways, is more comprehensive than the NCPD’s database and could be of interest to many people. Which, theoretically, could also explain Judy’s obsessive desire to escape from Night City— or sooner or later someone could knock her door...

I wonder if you do realise that Judy isn't working at the Clouds since a long while and so have nothing to do with Tyger Claws since she joined the Moxes? Right?

 

[Fatalist]

I wonder if you do realise that Judy isn't working at the Clouds since a long while and so have nothing to do with Tyger Claws since she joined the Moxes? Right?

That’s not obvious, and it’s not a fact.
First, she maintains relationships with all the dolls in the Clouds, so she can consult with them at home, in private, if something is wrong with their chips (He-he-he )

Second, she continues to correspond with Maiko, even if their conversations are tense. She is quite capable of accepting outside gigs (for example, eliminating Woodman and Hiromi Sato—who are getting in Maiko's way—using other people’s hands).

And even if that’s the case, even if she had left the club by the time of the heist, she was still doing this before, i.e.,
she was the one responsible for collecting, analyzing, and decoding compromising data for the Tiger Claws—and possibly not just for them.

This can be indirectly inferred including, for example, from the fact that after her “official” departure from the Clouds, the Tiger Claws were unable to find an adequate replacement for her in the form of a technician-engineer, which is evident at least from the state of their security systems at the club—Judy still goes on the territory wherever she wants.

And anyway,
Leaving to work for Suz and the Mox in this way is an attempt to escape past sins or to lie low for a while (in the event that she was working not only for the Claws, but simultaneously for someone else on the outside).

 

[LeKill3rFou]

That’s not obvious, and it’s not a fact.

It is obvious...
Judy say it and maiko confirm it when you meet her at the Clouds... She simply kept contact with SOME of the dolls who still working at the Clouds (Tom, Roxanne and Evelyn obviously).

Second, she continues to correspond with Maiko, even if their conversations are tense.

She's not... The messages on Maiko computer are "old" and date from the time she left the clouds or just after. They never spoke to each other since Judy left the Clouds.

she was the one responsible for collecting, analyzing, and decoding compromising data for the Tiger Claws—and possibly not just for them.

How did you even know that?
She did at the Clouds the same stuff as she do in the Lizzie's bar... Editing Braindances. She's in charge of nothing except doing the best BDs possible to please clients.

Again, you didn't paid attention while playing and just throw weird and false theories to feet your statements... As I said, at this point, there is nothing I can do, except suggesting you to play the game again. I mean really

 

[Fatalist]

4. Suspicious activity.
Interestingly, Judy constantly distracts V from the essential details of the search for Maman Brigitte,

plus she prevents him from questioning Evelyn

—or does everything she can to ensure that by the time the interrogation begins, Evelyn is in a vegetative state.

Also, later on, she constantly calls or asks him how he’s doing, whether he’s found the voodoo boys, and what his plans are for the search.
And this is the very same Judy who claims that in Night City, everyone lives in their own bubble.

................................

She's not... The messages on Maiko computer are "old" and date from the time she left the clouds or just after. They never spoke to each other since Judy left the Clouds.

That's not true. The messages on the computer containing the correspondence with Maiko—yes, those are old data—but after V and Judy visit Maiko at the Cloud Club, the correspondence is updated.

Again, you didn't paid attention while playing and just throw weird and false theories to feet your statements... As I said, at this point, there is nothing I can do, except suggesting you to play the game again. I mean really

There’s no need for me to play through the game again.
I’ve played it about six or seven times, and my computer is full of old save files and screenshots from past playthroughs.
In fact, I’m in the middle of clearing out my hard drive right now. One post means getting rid of about 30 to 40 old screenshots. ))

It is obvious...
Judy say it and maiko confirm it when you meet her at the Clouds... She simply kept contact with SOME of the dolls who still working at the Clouds (Tom, Roxanne and Evelyn obviously).

Then that’s absolutely charming.
That is, first of all, there was no revolution to begin with, nor any “struggle for the rights of oppressed sex workers.” Initially, it was an attempt to make the world more comfortable for a certain group of people (and for herself), at the expense of someone else (Hiromi Sato, Tiger Claws), using other people’s hands.
And yes, from that point on, if the revolution had succeeded, it would have been Judy, with her tweaks to the doll chips, who would have determined which of the dolls was more talented and successful, who had better stats, and so on—behind the scenes, of course.