Someone get some sense into this guy lol

[prometheus34572]

Someone get some sense into this guy lol

Ranting about the games combat system like a child.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2923192

 

[FoggyFishburne]

Poor bastard. I get his frustration. You have to keep in mind, that post was created way back in 2009. If he didn't play Witcher 1, he would have absolutely no idea how the combat works. There was no tutorial, so he was really on his own. He's received no indication of how to spec and build a build (derp), no idea of how important tactical positioning is, and no prior experience from another melee oriented RPG game which he can extrapolate a certain gameplay mentality.

Can't blame the man. Hopefully he'll give the game another chance. I was like him. Jumped into Witcher 2 after all the praise. Played the game for about 15 minutes, a lot shorter than he did, and I gave up. I was really fumbling in the dark and the game really had no intention of teaching me anything about how to play the damn game. My sympathies goes out for him.

 

[tommy5761]

Poor bastard. I get his frustration. You have to keep in mind, that post was created way back in 2009. If he didn't play Witcher 1, he would have absolutely no idea how the combat works. There was no tutorial, so he was really on his own. He's received no indication of how to spec and build a build (derp), no idea of how important tactical positioning is, and no prior experience from another melee oriented RPG game which he can extrapolate a certain gameplay mentality.

Can't blame the man. Hopefully he'll give the game another chance. I was like him. Jumped into Witcher 2 after all the praise. Played the game for about 15 minutes, a lot shorter than he did, and I gave up. I was really fumbling in the dark and the game really had no intention of teaching me anything about how to play the damn game. My sympathies goes out for him.

Nope , post was made yesterday ...he registered with Steam in 09 .
But hopefully he`ll give it some more time or another go . But in order to "learn" a game you need to keep an open mind and be willing to take some pointers from people that have played the game .

From what i gather his 1st game out of the box was on hard....thanks but no thanks...not until i learn the game mechanics .

 

[johnduds]

Poor bastard. I get his frustration. You have to keep in mind, that post was created way back in 2009. If he didn't play Witcher 1, he would have absolutely no idea how the combat works. There was no tutorial, so he was really on his own. He's received no indication of how to spec and build a build (derp), no idea of how important tactical positioning is, and no prior experience from another melee oriented RPG game which he can extrapolate a certain gameplay mentality.

Can't blame the man. Hopefully he'll give the game another chance. I was like him. Jumped into Witcher 2 after all the praise. Played the game for about 15 minutes, a lot shorter than he did, and I gave up. I was really fumbling in the dark and the game really had no intention of teaching me anything about how to play the damn game. My sympathies goes out for him.

Ha i would say you learned about the game ok....your 32 in the leaderboards.

 

[johnduds]

Hes probly never played a game where timing attacks was a major skill, so i can see whys getting upset, and i dont think he even looked up help on the game or he wouldve found it. And i bet anything hes not fully patched to 3.2.2.0

 

[Garrison72]

Jesus, I've died up to 80 times in ONE level in Hard Reset, and not once did I reach that level of butt hurt. I tried to part some advice anyway though. and he better stay the hell away from the Operator.

 

[FoggyFishburne]

Nope , post was made yesterday ...he registered with Steam in 09 .
But hopefully he`ll give it some more time or another go . But in order to "learn" a game you need to keep an open mind and be willing to take some pointers from people that have played the game .

From what i gather his 1st game out of the box was on hard....thanks but no thanks...not until i learn the game mechanics .

Oh shit, my bad. Haha, didn't pay too much attention to what I was reading and where ^^

Oh and yeah, agree. An open mind is key but I'd also like to add that the game has to be clever in its presentation and how it's teaching you all the different game mechanics. If a game doesn't do that, well, then usually it becomes a very frustrating and aggravating experience. I would know, I had a similar situation when I first played the game. Had to uninstall it. It felt like the game was fighting against me, it didn't want to teach me anything. I felt unwanted so I thought fuck it. If the game doesn't care about me why should I care about the game.

And honestly, even with the tutorial, I can still see that it can be quite difficult for a newcomer to get adjusted to the gameplay. Can't blame the man at all.

Luckily, I got into the game but only after I had finished Witcher 1 first. Hopefully the lad won't give up. Witcher 2 is just beyond amazing.

 

[FoggyFishburne]

Ha i would say you learned about the game ok....your 32 in the leaderboards.

Haha yeah I'm actually quite addicted to the combat now. It's so engaging and deep, it's impossible not to respect how much thought and intellect it takes to truly master it. Now claiming that I'm a master though, I'm not, even after practising so much in arena.

Oh and getting to 32 took about three hours. Aaaah that was a good day. Don't regret a second ^^

 

[FoggyFishburne]

Jesus, I've died up to 80 times in ONE level in Hard Reset, and not once did I reach that level of butt hurt. I tried to part some advice anyway though. and he better stay the hell away from the Operator.

Well I guess some people just have a lot shorter attention span or tolerance for dying multiple times or something like that. I'm not sure what difficulty he was playing but he could always lower it. Some people play games just for story and don't care much for challenge though I get the feeling that he was actually out and gunning for a challenge. Seems like he got one though blames it on poor controls and tedious battles. Don't agree with him there but to each his own I guess...

Shitstain, I missed the Operator on my playthrough. So annoying. I hate missing out on content in RPG games, especially awesome ones!

 

[cebastian]

Can't blame him, the combat is really nasty sometimes. I just started Dark Mode yesterday (i finished the game twice on Easy mode ) and i couldn't even pass that ballista mission. -__- The game's really really hard. It requires a lot of dodging (which is not very responsive sometimes) and a lot of Quen. But you get better if you keep trying imo.

 

[Sirnaq]

Good god, that post of his screaming of casual. Also controls in witcher2 after all patches are perfect, i don't understand why somebody said it's better with controller.

 

[eLeF1]

Fought Kayran in my first two playthroughs before the game was even patched and I made it both times. I heard the boss is like bazillion times easier now so it should not be that hard. Can't blame him though the combat system isn't exactly where this game shines.

 

[johnduds]

Im trying to beat the game only dodging once or twice each fight, its hard, i hate how the game is so reliant on dodging when fighting mobs but other parts of the combat shine so i cant help but enjoy it when im not rolling, i wanted to post a video of some combat and the way i feel it should be done for max enjoyment but sadly all i have is fraps and that program sucks for making videos, any help would be appreciated..

 

[prometheus34572]

Im trying to beat the game only dodging once or twice each fight, its hard, i hate how the game is so reliant on dodging when fighting mobs but other parts of the combat shine so i cant help but enjoy it when im not rolling, i wanted to post a video of some combat and the way i feel it should be done for max enjoyment but sadly all i have is fraps and that program sucks for making videos, any help would be appreciated..

Try Bandicam or Dxtory. Not sure if they are free but check them out. They are superior to Fraps. But to have better quality videos with low filesize you can upload easy you have to render the raw video afterwards. I use Sony Vegas Pro 11, its perfect but its not free.

 

[username_3266374]

I do all three forms of sport fencing (foil, sabre and epee) and I find that the combat is the closest I've seen to the real thing. You can't just go in flailing your weapon in constant attacks because enemies will block you and immediately counter attack. You also cannot be expected to parry right away either, you reaction time may be 215 milliseconds, but the body doesn't move that fast when it's more than just your finger. Too many games thing that those reflex actions can happen in that narrow window, but the simple fact is sword fighting isn't about action/reaction, it's about looking for the tells that someone is about to attack in this line, or feint to low line and reprise to high line, ect.

 

[Randomdrowner2015]

I do all three forms of sport fencing (foil, sabre and epee) and I find that the combat is the closest I've seen to the real thing. You can't just go in flailing your weapon in constant attacks because enemies will block you and immediately counter attack. You also cannot be expected to parry right away either, you reaction time may be 215 milliseconds, but the body doesn't move that fast when it's more than just your finger. Too many games thing that those reflex actions can happen in that narrow window, but the simple fact is sword fighting isn't about action/reaction, it's about looking for the tells that someone is about to attack in this line, or feint to low line and reprise to high line, ect.

Sounds true enough, but Witcher reflexes should really come in handy in a swordfight.

 

[volsung]

Poor bastard. I get his frustration. You have to keep in mind, that post was created way back in 2009.

This is especially funny because The Witcher 2 came out in 2011

Shitstain, I missed the Operator on my playthrough. So annoying. I hate missing out on content in RPG games, especially awesome ones!

Wait... your playthrough? You mean ONE playthrough? Then you missed a LOT more than just the operator.

 

[Quillan]

In all honesty, the first time I played the game (on Normal), the Kayran fight frustrated me to almost the same level. In hindsight, I found it to be completely unintuitive. I was trying to fight it, and that just doesn't work. I had subtitles off, and the ambient noise of the fight meant I couldn't hear Silé telling me to use a trap. So I fought and died, over and over again, until I got so frustrated I quit. Then after about 15 minutes of doing something else, I searched on Youtube and found a video of the fight, which explained it to me. So I went back and did the fight the "proper" way and had no real trouble with it.

I played it through twice on normal (once for each path) then again on Hard. I did Dark mode once that was released, and really didn't have any trouble with it, but I would not have wanted to start there having never played before.

 

[whiplash27]

I don't care how good of a gamer anyone is... If anyone tries to play TW2 on Hard or Dark mode the first time out, they're asking to get destroyed over and over. It's a game that you need to learn how to play before you try out the harder difficulties. Many games let you just jump into hard difficulties and have very little issue. TW2 is not like that.

 

[yayodeanno.831]

Somebody get some sense into THIS guy. He's a writer and a video game advocate, but unfortunately suffers from poor taste/short attention span...