Special DLC items mess up and unbalance the game. Remove them or add an option to remove them in W2 2.0

[mico11]

Special DLC items mess up and unbalance the game. Remove them or add an option to remove them in W2 2.0

Having recently replayed the game for the forth time and I found that the DLC items mess up the prologue and the first chapter in a variety of ways.

- If you throw away any of the DLC items in the prologue they will just spawn back in your inventory after a short scene with Roche. For example I don't like that blue ugly overpowered jacket, but no matter how many times I threw it away it was eqiped in the next part of the prologue
- The mage pants and herbalist gloves are the most powerful in the entire game. All those pants and gloves and crafting diagrams for them are rendered completely useless right from the start
- You get more oils than you will use the entire game, especially if you're not playing the alchemy path
- You get more ingridiengts than you need for the entire first chapter, making buying and hunting down ingredients baseless
- You get some endgame overpowered potions and a lot of bombs
- Whetstones are more powerfull than any oils, and there are more of them than you can use up

It also makes the entire prologue a cakewalk even on insane and mess up a lot of the mechanics even later in the game.

What you get is a couple of different unbalanced and overpowered DLC stuff all into one. Who's bright idea was to hardcode this into the patch?

Please remove these or make an option to remove them in W.2.0, they just messed up a good thing. This is not balancing.Patch 1.3 actually made the game less fun .

 

[gregski]

I have to agree, on my 2nd playthrough after patch 1.3 I stopped caring about hunting down ingredients or weapon/armor schemes.

This kind of DLC (extra overpowered items) kills the balance.

 

[Keloo]

It's not like you are forced to wear them. You can wear the other items, so stop whining for nothing. Seriously, these guys gave us loads of DLC for free, and you complain. No offense, but it's nonsense, some of you only come here to complain for all sorts of ridiculous things, just for the sake of complaining.

Honestly I haven't see so many complaints about a game in my entire life. I understand the game ain't perfect, no game is, but c'mon complaining like this is just ridiculous. So many complaints, like this game is the most bugged and worse game ever made in the past 5-6 years.

 

[dragonbird]

Why can't you just not use them?

You can run around in your drawers using a spoon as your primary weapon if you want to. Nobody is forcing you to use the DLC pack.

And yes, what Myself Cosmin said.

 

[saintmagician]

I guess it's the fact that they are there, and can be used, that seems to mess up the game balance.

I don't really agree personally. The gloves are OP. The other items give a bit of a bonus in prologue. The only thing that is really a balance issue is whetstone, which I don't think you can get more of / usually get. As for the oils and potions, I've never found them that useful. Like the oils that come with the DLCs, I churn through them pretty fast.

Anyhow, it sounds like this is the only real problem:

- If you throw away any of the DLC items in the prologue they will just spawn back in your inventory after a short scene with Roche. For example I don't like that blue ugly overpowered jacket, but no matter how many times I threw it away it was eqiped in the next part of the prologue

Items that can be thrown away, but respawn in your inventory IS a bug. Even if it's a prologue only bug (I've had no problems getting rid of these items later in the game). Bugs should be fixed.

- The mage pants and herbalist gloves are the most powerful in the entire game. All those pants and gloves and crafting diagrams for them are rendered completely useless right from the start
- You get more oils than you will use the entire game, especially if you're not playing the alchemy path
- You get more ingridiengts than you need for the entire first chapter, making buying and hunting down ingredients baseless
- You get some endgame overpowered potions and a lot of bombs

Just throw it away. Or are page pants and herbalist gloves also buggy?
The oils/potions/bombs/ingredients, are defintely not a problem. You can throw them away.

 

[mico11]

It's not like you are forced to wear them. You can wear the other items, so stop whining for nothing. Seriously, these guys gave us loads of DLC for free, and you complain. No offense, but it's nonsense, some of you only come here to complain for all sorts of ridiculous things, just for the sake of complaining.

Honestly I haven't see so many complaints about a game in my entire life. I understand the game ain't perfect, no game is, but c'mon complaining like this is just ridiculous. So many complaints, like this game is the most bugged and worse game ever made in the past 5-6 years.

I'm a fan of the game too, but this made it a lot worse. Just trying to give feedback to CD Projekt so they can remove this in the 2.0 version, it completely broke the game. I'm not going to be grateful for mounds of overpowered hardcoded DLC items, that's the same as cheating.

What if someone reviews the 2.0 version?

I've seen a lot of separate reviews for the Enhanced and Regular eddition for the orriginal Witcher.

Won't this hurt CD Projekt in the long run?

They've broken things as much as they fixed them.

 

[dragonbird]

You're entitled not to be grateful for a freebie, but don't you think that telling CDPR they shouldn't give it to anyone else either is a little excessive?

 

[pomor]

I agree about hooded jacket, that thing equipping itself, again and again, was rather irritating. You can, however, just delete it from cookedPC folder.

 

[Shrandar]

You can remove them. Just go to cookedPC folder under your Witcher2 folder, you'll find several dzip files there. Just remove the alchemy suit, magical suit, swordsman suit and roche jacket and you should be set.


Edit: what the guy above me said

 

[Keloo]

You make such a big deal for such a small problem(can't even call it a problem, actually). PERIOD

 

[mico11]

No I haven't, it effectively ruined some of the game mechanics.

I can throw it away, but a new player might ask himself, what's up with all the useless crafting when the game gives you the most powerful items at the beggining , why buy oil recipes when the game gives you all you need for the entire game, why do oils exist when whetstone is more powerful and it never runs out, why gathering ingridients exist, the game fills you up with everything.

See what I mean?

I love this game and CDPR and i have the CE, they just need to fix this, the DLC is ******.

As I said, sites might review the 2.0 separate, I'm just thinking about new players and new reviews.

They set it up as this, no nonsense, no handholding, doesn't afraid to kill you game, then you get gamebreaking overpowered items in a patch next week, MAKES ***** SENSE.

 

[Keloo]

Honestly I don't give a damn about the reviews, or what I others might say, at least not anymore.
And no, you still need crafting recipes because you won't have all those oils for the entire game, only for the prologue, then they won't be replenished.

And let me tell why the prologue is so "unbalanced", it's because people complained and whined like babies, because the "learning curve" is not good enough, that the prologue is way too "difficult", that's the main and only reason why is now easier, not because of those damn items. PERIOD.

You see, they can't please everyone. Some complain about the combat, then they'll change it, make it a mindless h&s, and others will not like it. Then they'll complain about the difficulty, they'll make it easier, so you please some and angry others.

But the problem is that the complainers are the loudest, and they constantly behave like spoiled brats, until they get what they asked for. And when they do, they aren't satisfied, and start complaining some because the game is now "too easy", but who's fault is it ?

The same thing happened to DA 2 also, people complained about the combat of DA that is too slow, etc And look how it turned out ? A fasted pace almost H&S game. And guess what ? The same people are disappointed the way it turned out. Sometimes you should live the game how it is, some might love it other hate it, but this is how things work. Always trying your best to please everyone makes things worse. Bioware or EA don't give a shit about what people say, unlike these fellas that care too much, and sometimes ain't good.

If you want a real challenge play it on insane, and finish it.

 

[CostinRaz]

whetstone is more powerful and it never runs out, why gathering ingridients exist, the game fills you up with everything.

You mean you can just apply it and it will last forever?

Tell me I am reading this right cause then I've been doing something very wrong since I've started the game.

As for armor, you can get the 2nd best armor piece in the entire chapter I while visiting Loredo and sneaking past his guard for the Kayran trap, and that armor is much better then the combat jacket and Revan's armor ( nevermind the combat jacket is WEAKER then Raven's armor ).

It's even pointless to get/ugprade Kayran armor since you can easily get the Ban Ard armor in Chapter II at almost the very begining on Roche's path or the Dragon Scale armor once you arrive in Vergen on Iorveth's path ( the Dragon Scale armor being the best in the Chapter while the Ban Ard armor will just be replaced by the free armor Dethmold gives you ).

Draug armor is also useless since getting Vran armor is very very simple in Chapter 3.

Herbalist gloves give some bonuses but there's also long robust gauntles in Chapter I which you can get very very easily. Then there's long studded leather gloves ( which I dunno where to get but I assume they are in the game somewhere in Chapter I ) but either way robust or studded they will last you until Act III unless you go on Iorveth path and you get Elven gauntlets for free from Phillipa.

Pant wise, yes the mage trousers do match the Elder Blood ones in Act III, but if not for them I would just be using Heavy Leather Trousers which I get in the bloody prologue from the torturer and use for almost the entire sodding game.

So does CDPR have a problem with making the vast majority of their items useless?

Yes.

Does it apply with just DLC armor?

Fuck no.

Hell forget armors, even swords suffer from this.

In Act I you either have Aerondight or you get the Witcher Silver Sword, then once you finish the Endrega quest you get Superb Silver Sword which is the very best in that entire Chapter.

Steel Sword. Jagged blade, get in Flotsman and you can craft it though you will need to kill a few endregas that's really not an issue and it's the best steel sword in Act I and quite a lot of Act II even ( depending on who you go with, Iorveth or Roche ).

Act II: Meteorite sword is the best silver sword and can be crafted right off the bat, steel sword get the Dun Banner one and nothing will match it for that entire Act.

Act III:

Besides the Vran sword which you can get if you help Roche there's also the bloody Caerne which is really easy to craft ( do the monster quest, get recipe and use the rotfiend/harpy, nekker, Bulwore and Endrega parts and you get the recipe then just craft it for next to nothing in terms of components ).

Silver sword...this isn't even funny, but go kill 2 Arachus and get it right at very begining of the Act.

 

[saintmagician]

I can throw it away, but a new player might ask himself, what's up with all the useless crafting when the game gives you the most powerful items at the beggining , why buy oil recipes when the game gives you all you need for the entire game, why do oils exist when whetstone is more powerful and it never runs out, why gathering ingridients exist, the game fills you up with everything.

You are exaggerating a LOT.

1. The special equipment is rather powerful, that I accept.

2. DLCs are not the cause of useless crafting diagrams, see above post.

3. If you are someone who doesn't use oils, then they are useless junk anyway, I don't see why you'd not sell it. If you ARE someone who uses oils, you'll find you run out very quickly. So either you never used oils in your playthrough, or you are just trolling.

4. You get 10 for the entire game. They last 20 minutes each. Then there are no more.

5. See above about oils. Either you didn't do any potion making, or you are trolling. Because even with herbalists gloves and the extra gathering perk, you can still run out of certain ingredient types.


Stop whining.

I'd call you a troll, if not for the small fact that your complaint about special items reappearing in inventory during prologue does sound like a bug (i don't suppose anyone else ever noticed this)? But regardless, making the prologue easier is hardly a huge problem and as already pointed out, most of those items are deprecated by chapter I.

 

[username_3501652]

Actually i dont think the respawning of the blue stripes combat jacket is an error, because you actually run with the blue stripes throughout the 1st chapter, and as Roche is your saviour at that point, i would understand the logic behind not being able to drop the jacket.

For most other "problems" i must say this: they arent real problems, you can also drop everything in order to make it tough on yourself, people whining about too much oil ZZ if u dont like it then go play oblivion.

 

[Kindo.824]

Well, I don't know what to say. I immediately felt weird about receiving items automatically - both imported and via DLC - so I took a break to research if there was a way to to prevent this. It didn't take long before I realised I could simply remove whatever DLC's I didn't like from the CookedPC folder; then I reloaded my TW1 save and unequipped my named swords, as well as the Raven's Armor, and saved the game anew. This whole process took a couple of minutes, at most, and when I then started up TW2 again, I never received any freebies, and could happily start immersing myself in this new and wonderful game world. Not once did I consider going to CDPR and complain about these freebies, as it was such an incredibly simple procedure to get rid of them.

 

[dragonbird]

They set it up as this, no nonsense, no handholding, doesn't afraid to kill you game, then you get gamebreaking overpowered items in a patch next week, MAKES ***** SENSE.

There still seem to be enough people getting killed in the prologue, despite this. The DLC is NOT the deciding factor on whether or not you can survive your first playthrough, and, based on the number of posts about the necrophage oil bug, I don't get the impression that everyone is relying on the start-up oils and whetstones to last right through the game either.

There's nothing wrong with suggesting rebalancing, but I think you've made a major error in targeting the DLC's as a problem. My imported Moonblade, and the Dragonscale armor in Chapter 2, give me a much bigger edge than the DLC items.

 

[VikingStudios]

It was very annoying to me that I equiped Ravens Armor in the first part of the prolog but after every Ccutscene with Roche, the Blue Stripes Armor was equipped, but i didn't use it the entire game. I selled it and it didn't come back to my inventory.

 

[chromie92]

Bullshit thread. Just sell or throw away the items. If it auto equips in the Prologue deal with it. You can just change it or keep playing once you get to the first act your good. Stop your bitching.

 

[CostinRaz]

My imported Moonblade, and the Dragonscale armor in Chapter 2, give me a much bigger edge than the DLC items.

Does it give 22 damage as it says on wiki? Just asking cause then I would start swearing and then reinstall Witcher 1 just to get it for an import.