In my opinion nothing changes, you still have all memories, feelings, nobody around you will even realise that, and i don't think V would notice anything either if Alt didn't said that. In the end is just a "data" transfer back and forth.
Your V is dead. They black out and die. The copy is just that, a copy. It might think it is V, but it isn't V, and it will never be V.
it did for me full force and i did tried to continue and got myself one of the new cars but...i just couldn't get further than that
And yeah, totally. 6 months left to live for your copy is just icing on the cake. Not only is V dead your copy will be dead. Wow.
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that's ok and yeah it hurt so much, its sadden me that i asked for a refund but i prefer to have money for other games than to let a game like this hurt me further
The clarity is there, the problem arises from the fact we have genuinely no way to directly effect our genuine self for the better - unless you count suicide to be among that, but who considers that to be good? Really? If people are saying that's the best ending, something is seriously wrong with the narrative.
I recommended you gloss over this.
The problem here can be easily perceived like this: You are a Word document on your desktop (the Original). Suddenly, you are copied and you have a twin document, where you act as it's origin. Suddenly, you - the original Word document - are deleted. Gone.
You can call both V, yes, but the fact of the matter is the one who mattered most is gone - the Original V is no longer alive (hence the deleted Word document). The copy exists, but it is neither authentic nor original, where in lies the problem - it's no longer our original character.
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Let me put it this way...
As the player, we are put in a static perspective - V. As a player, we have the ability to perceive things ourselves through others (Our monitors display what our character sees). This means when the Original V died, our perspective was immediately transitioned to the Fake V. Now, look at it this way...
What if the camera perspective never left the Original V in Mikoshi? The Original V is dead. This means that the Original V does not have the luxury to retain memories or feelings, let alone his // her own life. The problem is that the player character we came to care for is dead, and in his // her place comes an artificial copy of something no longer authentic or genuine.
The problem doesn't arise from the fact it's a data transfer and back, but it comes from you being copied, deleted, then transferred into. You are cleaned out (dead), and a fake is put into you (the copy).
If you (literally speaking) were in the shoes of the Real V, would you too not also be upset?
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Yeah you got a point, i'll have to agree with you, i didn't think about the gaming perspective.
But this is a game, IF they decide to give us a happy ending with the current V i'll take it, better than nothing.
it can be a way to see things but its not a way most peoples would see it first time they facea situation like this,
and what about the choice of living long enough to die of old age, i did took that choice while talking to dex
Yeah, going out with a bang with the suicide ending is somehow actually the best ending. The other endings are V trying to cling to life, as you say. The problem is V ALWAYS dies, and copied V will eventually die. Without any new context, or DLC to add to these endings, it's just plain bad. There is no satisfaction in any of these endings, none. Suicide will NEVER be a good ending and SHOULD NEVER be.
If they had told the story differently, maybe these endings could have been more impactful, but they spent all their time pushing becoming Silverhand as the good thing. Johnny and V friendship. I already went on and on about it earlier, but they wasted the story on this angle, pushed for their intended ending.
Like EVEN IF Johnny wasn't made completely irredeemable, and I actually became friends with him, and I liked him as a character I STILL wouldn't want to give him my body. At best if they really want to work this angle, MAYBE they can work out a new ending where the original V and Johnny continue to coexist - without his engram or whatever slowly killing you.
I advise reading back through the threads to see where much community grief stems from. Among some of these are...
- The death of the Original V (which is a huge problem for aforementioned reasons)
- The "6 months to survive" ending translates to "The Original V dies, while the copy that is Fake V dies six months later. You literally die twice."
- The obvious doom and gloom that is the very little amount of agency and choice in the matter. You have death served on every platter no matter what choice is chosen.
- Time and emotional investment, both in terms of relationships (platonic and romantic) and narration, has been made meaningless and irrelevant by the fact you die, no matter which way you look at it.
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I think when you help Hanako - the "soul" of V lives, in Soul Keeper Program. So there is hope to upload V in future same as Saburo is uploaded to Yorinobu.
as i said before, now, all we hope is that cdpr react to all the talk in forums about the endings and try to fix it with an added ending from one of their dlc's...IF they want to make a dlc as its going to be difficult to make a secondary story when the main story is pretty much pushing in the idea that no matter what you do, you die
It's just funny (Rather sad) to look back. I used to think earlier this year, "Well, I'll preorder this game because I know Cdpr does stories i like," "even if the gameplay is average, or it's a little buggy, I'll probably enjoy this game because of the story". I never thought the story would be botched and kill my enjoyment of the game.
I agree, like I said in a post earlier. No matter what they do in a DLC without revising or adding to these endings might as well be a waste of time. It would be a waste of time from V's perspective. A dlc wouldn't be enough with these endings as they are now. Here's another thing, even if they add a good one you shouldn't have to buy a dlc to get the good ending! I'll take what I can get though, I want my story to have meaning!
Definitely a waste of time. Any DLC content that occurs before the ending of the game should have been in the base game, in my opinion.
Do you mean Soulkeeper or Soulkiller? Because I cannot find anything on "Soul Keeper."
Soulkiller is quite self explanatory. It kills you, creating a copy of your mind in the process to be stored in Mikoshi. Keywords there are "kill" and "copy". This means Original V dies. In Cyberpunk, the term "Soul" is used descriptively and figuratively, not literally.
If the Original V ever succumbs to Soulkiller, he // she is dead. Period. The copied mind is not the Original V, but exactly that - a copy.
Just because something is dark and gritty does not mean it should wholly isolated from good endings. Case and point: The Witcher series, a title also made by CDPR. Another good example is the Outer Worlds, which also focuses on corporate nonsense to extreme degrees (grave sites are actually rented by people in that game.)
The problem CDPR has is that it treats the cyberpunk genre as JUST a gloomy future and avoids being as happy as possible. It avoids happiness in moments that SHOULD have been happy even within the game and genre. You can only have so much go wrong before you throw the game down in frustration as you make no progress.