[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?


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she refuses your advances both times. first time in the motel she turns an invitation to sleep together into a joke. and then on the farm, she does this "no, V, let's not do this" thing straight girls do when you read the situation incorrectly and make a fool of yourself :-/
Thank god I've never met River in my playthrough. I don't think I could have handled him letting me down after finding out that Goro was not an option. Don't even get me started on Kerry.
 
Weird, i played female V, i remember clearly when paname put her foots on you and you could push for more, it just that i was interested in judy so i didnt pushed further

With on most I meant the bad effects. and no, as I´ve heard she denies you there anyway.
 
Weird, i played female V, i remember clearly when paname put her foots on you and you could push for more, it just that i was interested in judy so i didnt pushed further

you replied to the wrong person, but yes, you can try, and then she sobers up and tells you no. your only option is to offer to still be friends.

I wonder how many gay girls around the world got Vietnamese flashbacks from that scene, my god.
 
don't worry, she's not into chicks. I tried twice :facepalm:
the gentle way she let me down was so authentic I had to pause the game for a moment to let the years old shame fade away.
Yeah when she knocked me back a second time at the farm it was like " Oh, come on! That's not right. Just let me crawl under this desk" and then next day you get the I'm not that kind of girl, I'm this kind of girl kiss..."Okay, I love this woman. Let's just process that for a second" lol
 
Thank god I've never met River in my playthrough. I don't think I could have handled him letting me down after finding out that Goro was not an option. Don't even get me started on Kerry.

River is a fantastic character with ideals and a caring family man.
 
Yeah when she knocked me back a second time at the farm it was like " Oh, come on! That's not right. Just let me crawl under this desk" and then next day you get the I'm not that kind of girl, I'm this kind of girl kiss..."Okay, I love this woman. Let's just process that for a second" lol
I so wish they would have putt his much effort into Kerry and River. They won't even follow you if you go with the nomad ending...
 
Guess i'm one of the only 13 ppl happy with the current endings.. I've read through most comments in here and a lot of people argue that in the end no matter what you do, V dies so everything to that point is meaningless.
I disagree, first of all the premise of the story is that "there are no live legends", you have to die "possibly in a spectacular way, best if on a job" to get a drink named after you in the afterlife, that's one thing that might drive some people.
But after thinking for a while, didn't V die in the heist? (i might be mistaken here but from what i understood, V died due to Dex shooting us in the head and Viktor says the chip repaired our brain and started "overwriting", thus bringing us back) so technically V being an engram copy or not, doesn't change the fact that V died in the beginning and might already have lost his/her "soul". Also some might argue 6 months are a lot of time to come to terms with the fact that V is gonna die, plenty of time to do w/e. In the ending with Panam it's also hinted that they could travel and find some specialist to help V together.
Altho i prefer it that way because to me, it makes sense there's no happy ending in night city.
Personally i liked it and i can understand it might not be to everyone's taste, but that's no reason to hate so much on the devs.
 
I so wish they would have putt his much effort into Kerry and River. They won't even follow you if you go with the nomad ending...

River doesn´t because he doesn´t wanna leave his family, because he thinks he needs to protect them and take care of them.
He´s got a strong reason, even though I find it sad. Thats why nomads ending is nothing for me honestly.
 
River is a fantastic character with ideals and a caring family man.

I was really sorry to let him down and tried to make it as painless as possible. because, again, been there, done that, from both perspectives. and I admire the way he just takes it in his stride and doesn't treat V any differently.

all these personal interactions are so real and genuine, I don't understand how they screwed it up with the most important aspect at the very end.
 
you replied to the wrong person, but yes, you can try, and then she sobers up and tells you no. your only option is to offer to still be friends.

I wonder how many gay girls around the world got Vietnamese flashbacks from that scene, my god.
What can i say, jebaited
 
This is not manipulation, this is making the best of situation given. Alt says literally herself, V has everything to lose. I fully understand you, because i thought the same in the begining.

Fine. I'll reply, but instead of rewriting, here are just a few quotes of mine:

I've been thinking more on it. I pretty much posted this on the Steam community, but I'll post my thoughts here:

I think they intentionally made all the endings undesirable, so they could railroad you into choosing the ending where Johnny takes over your body. They manipulate you throughout the game, many endings are literally dependent on the relationship you have built up with Johnny.

IE: You have 6 months left to live, but Johnny can live out the rest of your body's natural life.

This is a case of the creator's vision superseding the player's choice. This is a linear game masquerading as an RPG with choice. There is no actual choice, only the creator's vision. Thus, the endings suck.

No form of Johnny, copy or not deserves V's body, after the abuse V suffered by him. Might as well nip it in the bud. He is a terrorist, and made irredeemable after that horrific scene.

Frankly, no form of Johnny matters to me. His original self lived a full life, and went out with a bang. V is like 26 or so, mid-20s (I know Jackie was 26). their whole life ahead of them. I only brought up the copy thing, as the icing on the cake. V suffers Johnny the whole game, only to surrender their body to him, and he is not even actually Johnny! Johnny Silverhand is dead.. V gets shafted. I will say it yet again, I would rather shoot myself than EVER give Johnny my body. Everytime.

"Yeah, but Johnny as a chance at a full life in your body, and you only have 6 months left!" Right, because cdpr decided to railroad you into that choice, you seem to not realize you are being manipulated. I'd rather have my copy live a happy 6 months than have V's consciousness live in cyberhell for eternity, while Silverhand is sunshine and rainbows in his stolen body. How many innocent lives did his original self snuff out? Why does this man deserve a second life? HE DOESN'T. That's the answer. Are we supposed to just forget all his crimes, just because "yay, we are friends now!". He ruined countless lives. He should have stayed dead.

I'm honestly sick and tired of hearing about Johnny. I can barely play the game because of him.

I wish that were true, but many don't seem to realize the manipulation in writing by CDPR. We get punished everytime if we dare go against their plot. That's the problem with these endings. The endings were written in a way to push you towards one specific ending, rather than a multitude of choices as endings in and of themselves. This is why every single ending is effectively the same thing. This is why the copied V only has 6 months left to live. This is why V gets soulkilled. The writers think they know best in this supposed "rpg".

Kill Johnny EVERY TIME. This is why the 6 months left, is 6 months left. The creators don't want you to kill Johnny. They want you to give Johnny your body. They are manipulating you. That's why V is getting soulkilled. The writers are trying their hardest to railroad YOU into their ending of choice. The writing sucks because the writers are actively working against the player.

Oh, wow! The terrorist changed! Did he give that chance to the thousands of innocents he killed? That's right. No he didn't.

I wish we could all just stop talking about JOHNNY SILVERHAND. God I am sick and tired of that guy.

This is a case of CDPR trying have their cake and eat it too. Johnny Silverhand is the true protagonist of this game, V is turned into a sideshow. Instead of having a defined character like Geralt - which Johnny Silverhand would be - they opted to go a custom character route. To appease their audience. But they really wanted Johnny. They marketed this game as an RPG along the lines of Dragon Age Origins, where the player has actual input in the character they play. This unfortunately seems to be a gross exaggeration, or outright lie by cdpr.

Unfortunately, their biases are made plain as day with how the entire story is structured, revolving around friendship with Johnny, having to have Johnny's input on everything. Him being there for even sidequests. They wrote another game with a set protagonist, but tried to manipulate their audience into thinking that wasn't the case.

If they wouldn't have played games with their audience, and just did the story they (obviously) wanted to do, with Johnny. Maybe we could have had a more coherent story, similar to Geralt's. A story with choice and consequence. A story that focuses on their intended protagonist, than the literal walking corpse that is V.

If I sound bitter, it is because I am. Sorry.

Here's the thing though. Their intended ending IS A HAPPY ONE... for Johnny (rather bittersweet). That's the irony here, when people make comments like this. The game is all about Johnny, happy times with Johnny, your FRIENDSHIP with Johnny. The other endings are frowned upon in the dialogue, and you are pushed towards Johnny thoughout the story.

I'm sorry guys, but I've about had enough with comments trying to justify these trash endings.
 
I so wish they would have putt his much effort into Kerry and River. They won't even follow you if you go with the nomad ending...
It feels very much like Panam is a key main character, not just a romance, same with Judy too I think. But then they skimped on River and Kerry. That kind of spoils their characters and points to how unfinished and poorly timed the romance system is, essentially giving us something meaningful that we don't have the time or means to really enjoy
 
Guess i'm one of the only 13 ppl happy with the current endings.. I've read through most comments in here and a lot of people argue that in the end no matter what you do, V dies so everything to that point is meaningless.
I disagree, first of all the premise of the story is that "there are no live legends", you have to die "possibly in a spectacular way, best if on a job" to get a drink named after you in the afterlife, that's one thing that might drive some people.
But after thinking for a while, didn't V die in the heist? (i might be mistaken here but from what i understood, V died due to Dex shooting us in the head and Viktor says the chip repaired our brain and started "overwriting", thus bringing us back) so technically V being an engram copy or not, doesn't change the fact that V died in the beginning and might already have lost his/her "soul". Also some might argue 6 months are a lot of time to come to terms with the fact that V is gonna die, plenty of time to do w/e. In the ending with Panam it's also hinted that they could travel and find some specialist to help V together.
Altho i prefer it that way because to me, it makes sense there's no happy ending in night city.
Personally i liked it and i can understand it might not be to everyone's taste, but that's no reason to hate so much on the devs.
We are not specificly hating on devs, we feel lied and decieved, because our choice do not matter in the end. And out all the endings, V ends up the same, dead. Out of all 6 or 7, couldn't have one been a nice one, where V lives, would that hurt anyone? You could choose your V's destiny yourself, on how the story is gonna end, but we felt forced into single option, death.
 
River is a fantastic character with ideals and a caring family man.
Sounds like a dream. Would have been even harder to accept the rejection.
This is off topic here, but I personally like/don't mind that characters have prefered sexuality. It makes them believable.
I know this is too much to ask and probably a niche topic with noone outside the LGBT+ community caring about. But I would love to see an effect on the player character being rejected by a character because of sexuality.
Most often than not it is quite an emotional kick to be rejected by our crush. Especially if they are the same sex because the feeling of shame is even bigger imo. The hopelessness of no matter what you do, it won't change.

Alternatively, give us a better option than Kerry xD
 
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