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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 411 45.0%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 84 9.2%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 269 29.4%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 150 16.4%

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Martynxas

Martynxas

Forum regular
#2,161
Dec 17, 2020
Kikinho said:
Then make us play Jhonny from the getgo and tell a story Witcher style. Giving us a semi custome character only to become the sidecharacter is wierd and wrong.
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With this point i agree. Ive said in several post, that V has no role in CP, johhny has way better story and how it wraps up with rogue, just fits perfectly. I would liked bigger role of V if were to change something
 
Kikinho

Kikinho

Senior user
#2,162
Dec 17, 2020
Kikinho said:
Then make us play Jhonny from the getgo and tell a story Witcher style. Giving us a semi custome character only to become the sidecharacter is wierd and wrong.


Edit:Hell... you could even explore a even more interesting moral question imo. Do you keep your selfish desires and die a second time, taking a fool sod with you? Or you learn that your effort are futile and sacrafice yourself to save someone who just got dragged into this.
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If anyone, then it was jhonny who should be making sacrafices for redmption.
 
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kaz_ds

kaz_ds

Forum regular
#2,163
Dec 17, 2020
Martynxas said:
Agree. Thats why i say, that Johnny ending is best one, it feels more fitting for him to finish the story then V
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How is it fitting for Johnny to get a happy ending?
The man died already -- it's not even the real Johnny, it's a copy of him if you go by the game's rules, he did change in the end but even he says he will not betray V and wants V to fight on, he is content with dying on.

Not to mention he did terrible things, apparently the same people that say Cyberpunk is a dark setting without hope are the same people that say a terrorist copy of a dude that died in his last hurrah deserves a better ending than just a guy trying to stay alive and take care of his own folks?

What is this backwards logic?
 
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Nekatinyz

Nekatinyz

Forum regular
#2,164
Dec 17, 2020
Simuxas said:
:shrug:
Well you don't really become a legend, since you do it with Aldecados and not with legendary Rogue who can spread the word.
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Night city sucks)) my opinion
Trying to become a legend cost V everything
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#2,165
Dec 17, 2020
kaz_ds said:
How is it fitting for Johnny to get a happy ending?
The man died already -- this is his copy aswell, he did change but even he says he will not betray V and wants V to fight on!
Not to mention he did terrible things, apparently the same people that say Cyberpunk is a dark setting without hope are the same people that say a terrorist copy of a dude that died in his last hurrah deserves a better ending for some reason? Because it's Keanu or what??
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I feel like a lot of people are rooting for Johnny simply because its Keanu.
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Nekatinyz said:
Night city sucks)) my opinion
Trying to become a legend cost V everything
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V doesn't really want to be a legend in the first place, Jackie does and then the game pretends that V wanted to become a legend. :ok:
 
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MandyZGaming

MandyZGaming

Forum regular
#2,166
Dec 17, 2020
Simuxas said:
:shrug:
Well you don't really become a legend, since you do it with Aldecados and not with legendary Rogue who can spread the word.
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Erm, yes. in the path with Rogue, Rogue is killed by Smasher. So her spreading word isn´t possible
 
Kikinho

Kikinho

Senior user
#2,167
Dec 17, 2020
Martynxas said:
With this point i agree. Ive said in several post, that V has no role in CP, johhny has way better story and how it wraps up with rogue, just fits perfectly. I would liked bigger role of V if were to change something
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Again, I would be 100% happy with my ending, or any other if we would get closure and there would be a lession in the end. But the 6 month into the sunset is too vague to leave a satisfying ending. Especially if you are being loaded back into a previous quicksave. like what? I'm suppose to say farewell to my character but here you run around with him pointlessly still?
 
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Nekatinyz

Nekatinyz

Forum regular
#2,168
Dec 17, 2020
kaz_ds said:
How is it fitting for Johnny to get a happy ending?
The man died already -- it's not even the real Johnny, it's a copy of him if you go by the game's rules, he did change in the end but even he says he will not betray V and wants V to fight on, he is content with dying on.

Not to mention he did terrible things, apparently the same people that say Cyberpunk is a dark setting without hope are the same people that say a terrorist copy of a dude that died in his last hurrah deserves a better ending than just a guy trying to stay alive and take care of his own folks?

What is this backwards logic?
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If you had good relationship with johny, he saying that if he need to die to save you, he will do it
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

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#2,169
Dec 17, 2020
MandyZGaming said:
Erm, yes. in the path with Rogue, Rogue is killed by Smasher. So her spreading word isn´t possible
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Ah right, well still, everyone in Afterlife know that rogue went to take Arasaka tower. :shrug:
And even then you become a legend in some old ass Club.
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

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#2,170
Dec 17, 2020
Simuxas said:
It is practicly the same, everything is the same as it is now, just few dialogue changes right at the end. It wouldnn't affect side missions at all.
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Don't think you are getting what I'm saying, take the Judy mission for example, when you go diving with her, Johnny shows up and asks you to "not get in the water". Well if you don't complete that mission and decide to do it after the ending when you successfully remove him from your head. How are you going to explain Johnny still being involved in that mission after the fact?
 
Nekatinyz

Nekatinyz

Forum regular
#2,171
Dec 17, 2020
Martynxas said:
With this point i agree. Ive said in several post, that V has no role in CP, johhny has way better story and how it wraps up with rogue, just fits perfectly. I would liked bigger role of V if were to change something
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Then you didnt understand cyberpunk genre
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#2,172
Dec 17, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
Don't think you are getting what I'm saying, take the Judy mission for example, when you go diving with her, Johnny shows up and asks you to "not get in the water". Well if you don't complete that mission and decide to do it after the ending when you successfully remove him from your head. How are you going to explain Johnny still being involved in that mission after the fact?
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As I mentioned before, some of those side missions would not be available after you finish the game. Since let's say you rushed as much as possible to save yourself, but in the process you didn't experience as much.
 
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kaz_ds

kaz_ds

Forum regular
#2,173
Dec 17, 2020
Genuinely the people that spout the "no hope" nonsense complete ignore the Johnny endings! He was a rotten person that had his life taken away already, he let people die because of him and for him, he changes by the end but that's not even the really Johnny. And he deserves a happier ending than V, an ending with hope?!

Did you not play the same game we did?! You spend half of your playtime helping people in need, saving lives and making things better for most people you encounter! You give people hope and change things for the better.

This "no hope" cyberpunk setting bullshit argument must be the worst I've heard so far in the thread, atleast other people that disagree have their own valid viewpoints.
 
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Nekatinyz

Nekatinyz

Forum regular
#2,174
Dec 17, 2020
Simuxas said:
I feel like a lot of people are rooting for Johnny simply because its Keanu.
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V doesn't really want to be a legend in the first place, Jackie does and then the game pretends that V wanted to become a legend. :ok:
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Yup you are right, but night city sucks))
 
Martynxas

Martynxas

Forum regular
#2,175
Dec 17, 2020
Melra said:
Not really, it doesn't excuse letting it out on everyone else, not to mention he was seemingly like this for the whole way through. Even how he treats his partners is nasty, there are really no redeeming qualities and I certainly didn't play the game to have my character be sidelined by a character like this.
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He does 180 by the end of game, noted by characters that V was good influence, saved her multiple times. Also he is very regretful by taking V body, but that probably changes depending how you treated him. If you think there was no redeemable qualities, then its best to agree to disagree
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Buckadoz said:
I don't even hate Johnny as a person. Just... becoming someone else, them taking over and living as you, is one of the worst fates I can imagine for a person.
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Johnny agree with it too, thats why hes very regretful by taking V body
 
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Kikinho

Kikinho

Senior user
#2,176
Dec 17, 2020
kaz_ds said:
Genuinely the people that spout the "no hope" nonsense complete ignore the Johnny endings!

Did you not play the same game we did?! You spend half of your playtime helping people in need, saving lives and making things better for most people you encounter! You give people hope and change things for the better.

This "no hope" cyberpunk setting bullshit argument must be the worst I've heard so far in the thread, atleast other people that disagree have their own valid viewpoints.
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Yeah, we ourselves are literally the hope for almost everyone around us. Why would we have to go against our own hope? And people who argue there i no hope in cyberpunk, that is definitely not the message the game is telling you throughout the game.
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#2,177
Dec 17, 2020
Martynxas said:
He does 180 by the end of game, noted by characters that V was good influence, saved her multiple times. Also he is very regretful by taking V body, but that probably changes depending how you treated him. If you think there was no redeemable qualities, then its best to agree to disagree
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Johnny agree with it too, thats why hes very regretful by taking V body
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So by this logic, if someone in real life murders 20 people, still should get a second chance in life just because they got bit nicer?
 
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Buckadoz

Buckadoz

Forum regular
#2,178
Dec 17, 2020
kaz_ds said:
Genuinely the people that spout the "no hope" nonsense complete ignore the Johnny endings!

Did you not play the same game we did?! You spend half of your playtime helping people in need, saving lives and making things better for most people you encounter! You give people hope and change things for the better.

This "no hope" cyberpunk setting bullshit argument must be the worst I've heard so far in the thread, atleast other people that disagree have their own valid viewpoints.
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After the first side quest where you let Johnny take over, you head out to the junkyard to try to find where his body is. If you're on good terms with Johnny, you can scratch a grave marker for him into some scrap metal, and he eventually launches into a monologue about how his time with you has changed him, and he's now prepared to help you save yourself in anyway he can, including being prepared to step down and stop existing when it finally comes to it. It's an interesting moment contrasted with his original meeting, where he throws you around and threatens to kill you.

The whole time he's standing directly on top of one of the many graffiti'd NO FUTURE signs all over NC.

I think this moment summarizes the game.
 
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Martynxas

Martynxas

Forum regular
#2,179
Dec 17, 2020
Kikinho said:
Again, I would be 100% happy with my ending, or any other if we would get closure and there would be a lession in the end. But the 6 month into the sunset is too vague to leave a satisfying ending. Especially if you are being loaded back into a previous quicksave. like what? I'm suppose to say farewell to my character but here you run around with him pointlessly still?
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I would a while, we dont know whats gonna be in dlc's. I wonder if we play completely diffrent character
 
Nekatinyz

Nekatinyz

Forum regular
#2,180
Dec 17, 2020
Simuxas said:
So by this logic, if someone in real life murders 20 people, still should get a second chance in life just because they got bit nicer?
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10 000 ***
 
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