he´s a rockstar, they´re all mostly alone, but yeah he deserves something too.
I'm just talking about the endings that are out there.
The whole game you're told corpos backstab the moment power dynamics change. Why would Hanako ever honor a deal once she got what she wanted? Short answer, she wouldn't - she'd ice you the moment you're under.
The whole game, Johnny is a self-admitted egotist to the point that basically everyone that knows him kind of hates him? Why would he ever give up control once he's got it?
I feel like it wouldn't be very cyberpunk (let alone Cyberpunk 2020) if you got some kind of straight happy ending. It would feel really weird. Also if you wanted to stay in NC, the whole point of the game is that anyone who stays is basically in a toxic abusive relationship, and the city always grinds you into dust. You never win in NC, you live on the edge for a time and then you die.
So, if you want a "happy ending" in NC, pretty sure that's kind of going against the whole theme. Or, at least, they'd have to demonstrate way earlier in the story that that's even a possibility.
I get your point, but again that family lived kinda well for the circumstances of this city. and they all have a great heart. Let me my wishes, like I let you have yours
Also I've just found out! One more thing why you should not trust Jhonny!
Once the building collapses, and you wake up, Jhonny tells you that Takemura is dead so you need to fuck off, but if you ignore him and the quest marker and find a hole in the wall, you can find Takemura and save him. Granted, he still won't be relevant for the ending mission.
As was pointed out multiple times,
1. Not only there is a sizeable amount of cyberpunk stories with good, or at least gray endings, but
2. A genre trope does not restrict its content.
3. Also, you say they'd have to demonstrate that survival is even a possibility. What about the whole damn main quest where people point you to who they think can help - you only get fed hope to survive all the way until the very epilogue, topped up with Misty saying right at the beginning: "As long as you are alive, there is hope, and don't ever let other people say otherwise."
"Cyberpunk is dark, so the endings to stories should be dark", oh boy, I think this argument was used here the most and it is the weakest one by far. If I drive a car, that means I hate enviroment? If its cloudy, it means it's gonna rain?
There are lots of posts in this thread that completely negates this stupid argument by lots of people.
Also you never win? But Johnny does, so what gives?
And it is not that we just want one happy ending and fuq everything else. All we want is an option, a choice that was promissed, instead we got choices - which flavor of edgyness do you want?
Yeah there is a clear theme of survival throughout the whole story. And sorry but surviving at the cost of friends and maybe even principals is not really a happy ending in the traditional way imo. After the brainsurgery I was already a bit down, thinking that V gonna live on with glitches and disabilities, above Saboru achieving immortality thanks to us. But then I was told that living on like that is not even possible.
Oh trust me I know and I do understand. I mean the game was in development of 8 years, some changes are bound to happen. Unfortunately for us they didn't inform us and they went with the hype.
But after a whole week of this shit show I am kinda getting bored of constantly talking about same points.
Until CDPR comes out with a plan of what they are going to do and that they've listened to peoples criticism I don't see what else people can say that hasn't already been said.
That's why I've been shitposting, I just hope they don't end up doing Mass Effect 3 ending DLC and actually fix the game.
I can already see it, you see Vs chest in a rubble and he/she breathes for a second and boom credits...
Eh, not gonna bother with 1 and 2, because you'd have to change this story extensively to justify happy endings.
So on number 3, Misty gives you pills right away to kill yourself for when the pain gets to be too much - she tells you its almost definitely going to happen, and you need a way to end it all if it gets to be too much. Vik constantly tells you you're going to die and there's nothing that can be done. As does everyone else. The only people that really feed you hope are your friends who admit they don't know if there's hope but they love you and want you to win.
But Vik is the only one of your friends that understands what's going on with your brain and he says in no uncertain terms that you're done. And anyone with the technological knowledge to understand what's happening says the same. Even those that are using you don't imply they have a solution, just that they'll try (Alt, Hanako, etc.).
I was actually a little surprised on 3 with how bleak it is. But you'd need more here to justify a happy ending.
You see, that's another problem that I have with this game/story. Characters at a certain point just become irrelevant/stop existing. You end up doing their quest and then they disappear up until the ending (only some of them) while the resto show up as video calls
as long as it entertains us and keeps this thread at the top of the list
So if you for some reason haven't kept a pre-endgame save file you can't go back to the open world at all ? Great . First time i had a save file i played through and the game threw me back into the open world after the ending. Didn't know i need a pre-endgame savefile for the game to to that ( it even gave me a unique Item for after the ending ) . So second time i played through i didn't keep a pre-endgame and that aparently that means i'm done and can't go back to the Open world ?
Really ?
Really ?
Just in case I would agree with that, than the best ending we currently have is to just shoot yourself
I know, especially I was genuienly falling for Takemura, I loved his naivity and personality. I wanted him to be a bisexual romance.
He says unless you find a way to fix it you are done and that he cannot do it, that's the whole point of the main objective. Throughout the whole game you are being fed false hope by the game, and in times where the game slips up and mentions that the "real V" is dead regardless (Alt in the cyberspace) you cannot even question her and V does not even acknowledge what she said.
All these characters weigh in on pushing on, even Johnny by the end says to keep fighting but it's all for nothing. Death is not the issue, it's the fact that it never really mattered what you did that is the issue. I would love a happier ending like many of us here but it doesn't not excuse some of the convenient plot-holes at play here.
By the way, I read somewhere that apparently in the 2018 gameplay trailer during a section in V's apartment the radio host states that Johnny died in 2076? Could it be that they decided to change up the whole story to squeeze in more Keanu Reeves after he was fully on board?
Yeah, it doesn't really matter what story or way did the game wanted to take you, I feel it lacked in eery different path. There are so many questions and options left in almost every ending, yet the game doesnt allow us to explore them.