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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 411 45.0%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 84 9.2%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 269 29.4%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 150 16.4%

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Nekatinyz

Nekatinyz

Forum regular
#2,781
Dec 18, 2020
MeinChurro said:
My male Nomad would believe in God, and would want to find a way to survive without having to be soulkilled. :cry:
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It's not even opinion. Until there is new context, this is fact. It's literally a construct.
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MeinChurro said:
My male Nomad would believe in God, and would want to find a way to survive without having to be soulkilled. :cry:
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It's not even opinion. Until there is new context, this is fact. It's literally a construct.
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There was no evidence that this copy was meant the fact that he kills the soul, because you're now a bunch of code, not a living creature, man or not, that is something we need to think, not about copy or not copy
 
GigaNoodle

GigaNoodle

Fresh user
#2,782
Dec 18, 2020
MeinChurro said:
It's not even opinion. Until there is new context, this is fact. It's literally a construct.
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You can't argue this without successfully answering the question "What is the soul?", and people have been trying and failing to agree on that since the dawn of time.
 
MandyZGaming

MandyZGaming

Forum regular
#2,783
Dec 18, 2020
MeinChurro said:
I think gay guys get the worst romance ending. Just leaves them, pretty sad. :(
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Sadly not much different to the River one. Either he doesn´t leave the city with you or you leave for space, with him already being questioning you! I just want that to turn out happy for me as player, for V, River and his family. Because in my opinion that relationship is not just the love of that 1 person, it has at least 4-5 people who got you in their hearts and other way round.
 
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Omgwtfgg

Omgwtfgg

Forum regular
#2,784
Dec 18, 2020
I'd be down with sending my mind into the darkweb with the AI and DELAMAIN! ... Delamain owes me a favor if i combined his personalities and set him free! Given enough time... im sure the ai could find a way to download me into another body...

Shit the EU has biotech....
 
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MeinChurro

MeinChurro

Forum regular
#2,785
Dec 18, 2020
GigaNoodle said:
You can't argue this without successfully answering the question "What is the soul?", and people have been trying and failing to agree on that since the dawn of time.
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No, actually it's pretty objective. The writers were just trying to be deep.
 
Nekatinyz

Nekatinyz

Forum regular
#2,786
Dec 18, 2020
Omgwtfgg said:
I'd be down with Fleeting my body into the darkweb with the AI and DELAMAIN! ... Delamain owes me a favor if i combined his personalities and set him free! Given enough time... im sure the ai could find a way to download me into another body...

Shit the EU has biotech....
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You are now a part of alt, you have no personality and opinion
 
Omgwtfgg

Omgwtfgg

Forum regular
#2,787
Dec 18, 2020
Let johnny take my body
Id xfer some eddies to one of the fixxers or gangs i helped out a bunch... and then wack johnny/mybody... and throw it in a freezer/bath or something/preserve it till... i could buy some BIOtech stuff from the EU! xD
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Nekatinyz said:
You are now a part of alt, you have no personality and opinion
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Johnny Silverhand seemed to have one... + this is top of the line tech we talkin here
And im a wealthy man :)
 
MeinChurro

MeinChurro

Forum regular
#2,788
Dec 18, 2020
Nekatinyz said:
There was no evidence that this copy was meant the fact that he kills the soul, because you're now a bunch of code, not a living creature, man or not, that is something we need to think, not about copy or not copy
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I mean whatever helps you sleep better at night with your choice of ending, I guess?
 
GigaNoodle

GigaNoodle

Fresh user
#2,789
Dec 18, 2020
MeinChurro said:
No, actually it's pretty objective. The writers were just trying to be deep.
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It's not objective, though. It was a construct, until it was re-uploaded to a living human brain. The same brain that it originally came from.
 
Omgwtfgg

Omgwtfgg

Forum regular
#2,790
Dec 18, 2020
Nekatinyz said:
You are now a part of alt, you have no personality and opinion
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Isnt there something in the story, that talks about... the rogue ai on the darknet... that everyone tries to keep at bay... and how theirs hatred towards ai or something.... there's like a whole nuther universe in there....

Maybe thats how the ONE was created... in the MATRIX! THE PROPHECY! REBORN!
KENAU!
 
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MandyZGaming

MandyZGaming

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#2,791
Dec 18, 2020
Can we pls stop talking about the shitface of mega antagonist that is Johnny Silverass!!!! He´s the one ruining this game!!! Because I feel the story was for him and not for us!!! He´s the only winner in this, because in every ending, he gets what he wants!
 
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Nekatinyz

Nekatinyz

Forum regular
#2,792
Dec 18, 2020
MeinChurro said:
I mean whatever helps you sleep better at night with your choice of ending, I guess?
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Man I don't care about the copy or not, I just see it this way, there are a lot of hints in the game that this is not a copy, this is my opinion
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MandyZGaming said:
Can we pls stop talking about the shitface of mega antagonist that is Johnny Silverass!!!! He´s the one ruining this game!!! Because I feel the story was for him and not for us!!! He´s the only winner in this, because in every ending, he gets what he wants!
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Youp, in every ending
 
GigaNoodle

GigaNoodle

Fresh user
#2,793
Dec 18, 2020
MandyZGaming said:
Can we pls stop talking about the shitface of mega antagonist that is Johnny Silverass!!!! He´s the one ruining this game!!! Because I feel the story was for him and not for us!!! He´s the only winner in this, because in every ending, he gets what he wants!
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He definitely does not get what he wants in the Corpo ending. He tells you that much and a lot more while you're in Mikoshi.
 
MandyZGaming

MandyZGaming

Forum regular
#2,794
Dec 18, 2020
GigaNoodle said:
He definitely does not get what he wants in the Corpo ending. He tells you that much and a lot more while you're in Mikoshi.
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okay then 1 time he didn´t
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#2,795
Dec 18, 2020
Okay, another plothole.

V gets shot in the head, that is why Biochip is overwriting it, right? G
Give body to Johny, plant V Biochip in there, shoot Johnny who is in V's body, V's Biochip overwrites Johnny, here. Problem solved. :shrug:
 
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Nekatinyz

Nekatinyz

Forum regular
#2,796
Dec 18, 2020
Simuxas said:
Okay, another plothole.

V gets shot in the head, that is why Biochip is overwriting it, right? G
Give body to Johny, plant V Biochip in there, shoot Johnny who is in V's body, V's Biochip overwrites Johnny, here. Problem solved. :shrug:
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Or just plant v chip and shoot, dont need of johny
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Simuxas said:
Okay, another plothole.

V gets shot in the head, that is why Biochip is overwriting it, right? G
Give body to Johny, plant V Biochip in there, shoot Johnny who is in V's body, V's Biochip overwrites Johnny, here. Problem solved. :shrug:
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Because they wanted us a reason to give johny a body, because they make ending with Keanu rivz vooooooooo
 
Retro-_-

Retro-_-

Forum regular
#2,797
Dec 18, 2020
Nekatinyz said:
I liked johnny, but he's already lived his life and knew the risks when he died, in the case of V, he realized his mistake and did everything to fix it, johnny after the resurrection, will continue to do the same thing, I don't think it's right to take the life of the V in favor of a man who chose his own death, especially when V is dying is a blow not only for him but also for his friends and family
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Haven't taken that ending, but Johnny took his own life essentially, and those of many innocent people. And whilst upsetting, it was all in the name of revenge for Alt and a personal vendetta against corpos. V lived the life of NC and played by it's rules. Worked as a merc/thief and died as a result of a botched gig and poor decisions, often out of their control. Even with the heartbreak of Jackie dying, they didn't set out on strict path of revenge. They set out to change their own life for the better, not for grandeur or vengeance, just survival.



I think the more we discuss and delve into the various endings, the more we see (whether intentional or not) that the prospect of Legend status is a pipe dream indicative of NC; product of the environment. Something mercs instinctively aspire to because there is nothing else.



At many junctures in the journey, V shows that really, when the chips are down, they want to survive, to live and maybe be 'somebody' . Not 'somebody' to everybody, not 'somebody' in NC, just 'somebody'. Whether that's to themselves or quite beautifully, to someone else (Panam, Judy, River or Kerry). Survival is the primary goal, but loneliness, identity, companionship, freedom and stability are the driving forces.



The endings ultimately rob the story of any meaning or purpose. Death, surrender or AI storage set scenes where V is stuck with what has driven their journey. They are alone and with no freedom or significant other to be their 'light' in the dark of NC.



Suicide has been an option for V throughout, whether a gun in the mouth or a tablets to speed up the end. And with that came many breaking points where somebody with less to live for would have taken the release of suicide.



As with suicide, death is an unwanted passenger on our journey. An amicable car jacker. Who presents itself at many turns. Where these endings unravel is in providing outcomes that V has fought insurmountable odds to escape. To believe V would navigate such dark adversity with such determination to abandon their values requires ignoring the entire story and journey.



Allowing V to return on borrowed time does lend itself more to what has driven V all along. But presenting it as an ending and not an act 4, decapitates our story. Their is more in V than just survival, the driving forces behind that wish, those that ultimately replaced the urge to be a legend, are still prominent. With everyone else's wishes (Johnny, Takemura, VDB, Alt) detached from V's survival we have a real taste of that freedom, companionship, stability and identity independant of NC. And these driving forces are now unhindered. Expecting us to accept 'something happened, or maybe it didn't. Use your imagination, food for thought' is pointless, as we may as well not have played the game. Just read it as a book or graphic novel and then contemplate the implications and intricacies.
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#2,798
Dec 18, 2020
Man, the more I think about endings, the more it looks writers were pure fkn evil things. Every ending, even with the slight glimpse of V surviving, was written and altered so specificly just to kill V.
 
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Dubois_Jon

Dubois_Jon

Fresh user
#2,799
Dec 18, 2020
casbyness said:
What the game needs is an ending where V kills Alt. That's what's causing the real feeling of helplessness in this game. Alt doesn't just kill original V, she assimilates all the Soulkiller engrams as well, getting her own way with no consequences. The real villain of the game is Alt, and you don't get to take her down.

As soon as you meet Alt for the first time and her proposed 'solution' to V's problem is "I'll make an engram of you, then put that copy back into your brain", the game is effectively over. If that's genuinely the best idea anyone has to solve V's problem, V might as well kill themselves right then and there. Alt's answer guarantees original V dies, it isn't actually a solution in any way.

V should be able to find a way to destroy Alt at Mikoshi, before Alt uses Soulkiller on V. There should be a way to reverse the brain damage by overwriting Johnny's engram on the biochip with an engram of V, which then returns V's brain DNA to normal. V could then remove the chip without any issues.

I'd be fine with an ending that's downbeat if V survived, or an ending where V dies but has some kind of positive impact on the world before they go. This game offers neither of those outcomes - every ending is a lose/lose for V and what makes things the most annoying is there's no option to defy or outwit Alt and thwart her scheme.
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My ending didnt involve Alt. So that's not really so. I trusted the daughter and ended up in space being tested and then given a choice. Go back to earth and die in 6 months or turn into a engram to wait for a compatible host or technology to advance.
 
Nekatinyz

Nekatinyz

Forum regular
#2,800
Dec 18, 2020
Simuxas said:
Man, the more I think about endings, the more it looks writers were pure fkn evil things. Every ending, even with the slight glimpse of V surviving, was written and altered so specificly just to kill V.
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Just to save KEANU
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Nekatinyz said:
Just to save KEANU
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BECAUSE HE IS BREATHTAKING
 
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