[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[Simuxas]

Oh get over it.



I can say the same thing about forcing a happy ending y'know. If you wanted a happy ending I don't know why you were playing a Cyberpunk game in the first place honestly.

But did we get forced happy endings? No we didn't. All we got some extremelly edgy endings that lead nowhere and ends up the same way.
And again, oh no, it's Cyberpunk, it can't get happy endings. To that good sir, you have no clue what Cyberpunk world is about.

 

[Enerccio]

You can't save the world, only yourself

except in cyberpunk 2077

 

[neocyril]

Here's an ending related quandary that's just occurred to me. It also brings some elements of soul killer and what is a personality.

Alt was the first victim of soul killer. She is just a cold AI who admits she does not know anything of the Alt from before-result of soul killer. Yet Johnny is exactly the man he always been, with full personality and recollection of his past.

Also when V Jack's into Mikoshi Alt uses soul killer on him, yet he too is full 100% V, personality and all.

So where does this soulless scenario come from and under what conditions or constraints?

Here is how I see it. Johnny and V are a product of Soulkiller.

Their memories, thoughts etc. are extracted but the living person is dead. (Another question is, what is a person. A soul, his or hers memories etc. Would you be the same person that others remembered. And I can go on and on. But the point is would you know if you died but had all the memories, experiences that you had in life)

So what you see with V and Johnny is a continuation of what they are, in a way they never really died. (some people see it as death other as transcendence, they just went to another form of existance)

With Alt her body died while she was connected to the net/matrix (when Johnny pulled her out). It's been a while so I don't remember everything from the original story, but she was first held captive by Arasaka and later she escaped when Johnny went full terrorist.

Since she had no body she was left hiding/wondering the net/matrix. And there is a posibility that while she was behind the blackwall she merged or got consumed by the AI (I mean there are some scary things behind the blackwall).

But the problem remains with how CDPR presented the whole thing with Soulkiller, because It seem like they themselves have no fucking idea why the things are the way they are lol. (and you can see that through the whole story)

 

[Vincentdante]

But did we get forced happy endings? No we didn't. All we got some extremelly edgy endings that lead nowhere and ends up the same way.
And again, oh no, it's Cyberpunk, it can't get happy endings. To that good sir, you have no clue what Cyberpunk world is about.

Hahaha they should call you the comeback kid. But seriously it's a dystpoian world so sad endings are the norm in campaigns

 

[Retro-_-]

But did we get forced happy endings? No we didn't. All we got some extremelly edgy endings that lead nowhere and ends up the same way.
And again, oh no, it's Cyberpunk, it can't get happy endings. To that good sir, you have no clue what Cyberpunk world is about.

Details aside, the only ending it should be is the end of act 3. There should be an act 4. The story and characters are there to support it and the game dies a terrible, clunky death without.

 

[Simuxas]

Wanted to make new thread and start it with the meme, got put in here.

 

[Buckadoz]

Here's an ending related quandary that's just occurred to me. It also brings some elements of soul killer and what is a personality.

Alt was the first victim of soul killer. She is just a cold AI who admits she does not know anything of the Alt from before-result of soul killer. Yet Johnny is exactly the man he always been, with full personality and recollection of his past.

Also when V Jack's into Mikoshi Alt uses soul killer on him, yet he too is full 100% V, personality and all.

So where does this soulless scenario come from and under what conditions or constraints?

I would imagine the Alt engram was much the same as the Johnny and V ones at first, but her 50+ years behind the Blackwall means most of the Alt construct's experiences are no longer Alt's memories, they're of being data in cyberspace, whic is why she "roboticized".

 

[MandyZGaming]

I think I need to state some of the major problems with this game:

1. The endings we currently have, are not satisfying to most players, nor are they final I think, because you don´t get to play after the ending. You´ll be spotted back to the no return point. I think we need 2 happy endings, where V lives, 1 for romance with River or Kerry(depends on choice) and 1 for romance with Judy or Panam(depends on choice). Then 1 grey one, maybe with that 6 months, and then we have the 4 terminal bad endings we have already(2 giving your body to johnny, 1 merge with Alt and the suicide). That way there is something for everyone.

2. The main character should always be the character you play, especially if it is a character that you can create to your wishes(inside the given options). Because it is natural for most to identify with that character more than with a pre-set one. However in this game it feels, like the main character is a has been rockerboy retard, that ruins our life, even though he didn´t choose to do so.

3. They put so much effort in creating great characters like Jackie, River, Judy, Panam, Kerry, Takemura that it is highly questionable why you can´t have a happy ending with your loved one, since that to be honest, is the only thing worth to really achieve here. You try to survive to be with them. So much great character work for nothing really. We should really get endings were we all have the chance to live with our choice of love.

4. We need that post ending gameplay definetly, where you can interact with your friends and loved ones on regular basis and do all sorts of stuff in the city or outside of it. I think they could add some stuff that you could do there.Because only this would secure a replayability.

Those points added I think the game would be replayable for everyone and not just for the dark souls among us. Because this way, everybody can have the ending she/he wants and play with that. Make it happen CDPR!

 

[Retro-_-]

Here is how I see it. Johnny and V are a product of Soulkiller.

Their memories, thoughts etc. are extracted but the living person is dead. (Another question is, what is a person. A soul, his or hers memories etc. Would you be the same person that others remembered. And I can go on and on. But the point is would you know if you died but had all the memories, experiences that you had in life)

So what you see with V and Johnny is a continuation of what they are, in a way they never really died. (some people see it as death other as transcendence, they just went to another form of existance)

With Alt her body died while she was connected to the net/matrix (when Johnny pulled her out). It's been a while so I don't remember everything from the original story, but she was first held captive by Arasaka and later she escaped when Johnny went full terrorist.

Since she had no body she was left hiding/wondering the net/matrix. And there is a posibility that while she was behind the blackwall she merged or got consumed by the AI (I mean there are some scary things behind the blackwall).

But the problem remains with how CDPR presented the whole thing with Soulkiller, because It seem like they themselves have no fucking idea why the things are the way they are lol. (and you can see that through the whole story)

But in on of the endings is Saburo consciousness not stored via soulkiller and then inserted into his son's body? If so, is he a mindless drone lacking in personality or the same Saburo he has always been, just in a different host?

Because that throws another hole at soulkiller and dispels the importance of the "but its not real V" argument.

 

[Simuxas]

Hahaha they should call you the comeback kid. But seriously it's a dystpoian world so sad endings are the norm in campaigns

7 supposedly endings and all of them have to be depressing? I think I just cut myself.
Bladerunner, dystopian world, has ambigious ending, but not depressing. Ghost in a shell, same thing. Deus Ex even has separate endings that don't end up as pure depression. Maze runner, Ready player one, Mad Max, Elysium, Oblivion the list goes on. All dystopian/dark style movies that have nice/happy endings in some way or another and it's a movie, where writer tells the story his only way with only one possible ending.
We are in the game, where choices supposedly matter, yet they don't.

 

[snakey_77]

my first ending throw away the pills and pull the trigger was the best for me .. after doing 2 other ones looking for a happy ending and then watching vids for the others i felt like there was no point to bother so my first choice was the correct one !!

 

[Buckadoz]

But in on of the endings is Saburo consciousness not stored via soulkiller and then inserted into his son's body? If so, is he a mindless drone lacking in personality or the same Saburo he has always been, just in a different host?

Because that throws another hole at soulkiller and dispels the importance of the "but its not real V" argument.

It's Saburo's engram, externally exactly the same as Saburo, and it even thinks it's Saburo.

But the Saburo that was physically there, in that apartment, that Yorinobu strangled, his life ended there.

 

[Martynxas]

7 supposedly endings and all of them have to be depressing? I think I just cut myself.
Bladerunner, dystopian world, has ambigious ending, but not depressing. Ghost in a shell, same thing. Deus Ex even has separate endings that don't end up as pure depression. Maze runner, Ready player one, Mad Max, Elysium, Oblivion the list goes on. All dystopian/dark style movies that have nice/happy endings in some way or another and it's a movie, where writer tells the story his only way with only one possible ending.
We are in the game, where choices supposedly matter, yet they don't.

Nomad ending accomplished exactly what you're talking about here

 

[Retro-_-]

my first ending throw away the pills and pull the trigger was the best for me .. after doing 2 other ones looking for a happy ending and then watching vids for the others i felt like there was no point to bother so my first choice was the correct one !!

Maybe that is the ending. You play the game over and over looking for a decent ending. In the end you get so pissed you take the first chance to blow V's brains out and call time on the game lol

 

[Simuxas]

Nomad ending accomplished exactly what you're talking about here

Nomad could have been ambiguos ending, but it got shreded by trying too hard explaining things, like with "Soulkiller" and the shitty 6 months was like a slap in the face.
Not only that you get screwed by being a copy, but you still gonna die.

 

[Martynxas]

Nomad could have been ambiguos ending, but it got shreded by trying too hard explaining things, like with "Soulkiller" and the shitty 6 months was like a slap in the face.
Not only that you get screwed by being a copy, but you still gonna die.

It is ambigous ending, even misty tarot cards showed only positivity, that future is bright.

 

[Simuxas]

Dredd is a perfect example, dark, dystopian movie where hero faces unimaginable obstacles to survive, but pulls through.
Imagine watching Dredd, he makes it to the top after all that trouble and then gets shot by the bad guy or better yet falls off and dies cuz he misstepped, yeah, perfect, dark ending.

 

[MandyZGaming]

Nomad could have been ambiguos ending, but it got shreded by trying too hard explaining things, like with "Soulkiller" and the shitty 6 months was like a slap in the face.
Not only that you get screwed by being a copy, but you still gonna die.

I don´t really want to talk about that ending anymore. I´ve said enough to it. you can take that, but others won´t. We want our happiness as well.

 

[Retro-_-]

It is ambigous ending, even misty tarot cards showed only positivity, that future is bright.

True, very promising future... But where is that future? Is there 30GB of download that Steam forgot to package in with it? Lol

 

[Simuxas]

It is ambigous ending, even misty tarot cards showed only positivity, that future is bright.

As I said, it would have been, if writers just stopped where they should have. Now everything Alt says is just concretes the fact that it's a copy and you will inevitably die in 6 months, it even says so in dialogue. So tell me, how ambiguous is that.
Okay even if you interpret the clone part, I can see that, but it still says, you INEVITABLY die in 6 months. Not maybe, not possibly, INEVITABLY.
Sorry for being pessimistic, but saw that in a screenshot, so it kinda spins in my head right now constantly.