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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 430 44.2%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 92 9.5%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 286 29.4%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 165 17.0%

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acakomandos

acakomandos

Forum regular
#3,941
Dec 20, 2020
Froste29 said:
Then just extend the existing endings. Make it clear that Nomads/Blue Eyes have a way to find a cure and keep us guessing if it worked. As longs as CDPR does not confirm V died later, my headcannon can still be that they made it.
Extend Arasaka ending to give you a glimpse of recovered V getting a phone call from Panam/Judy to start over or sth. like that.

You don't have to spoonfeed me information, just show me that my headcanon has full freedom to believe whatever I want. And I want to believe there is a happy ending.

Mass Effect 3 managed this with the Extended Cut. Why can't this game?
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Give this man a cookie. I agree dude
 
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Hammerstein

Hammerstein

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#3,942
Dec 20, 2020
trapromance said:
The idea with soulkiller is that it enables immortalization through digitization of a person's conscious mind - which is what a lot of people may have missed.

Arasaka's whole 'Engram' program is the quest for immortality; Cyberspace is that conclusive result, and Alt Cunningham is an example of 'ascendance' through the immortalization of a person's soul through digitization. Technically, V isn't dead.
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Nope, play the game again.

"Fate worse than death", stated in the opening of the game.

AI Alt says that she is no longer the Alt that Johnny knew. So Alt is dead too.

After the Hellman interrogation you have a chat with Johnny about the whole "Secure your Soul" program. It's a vehicle for Arasaka to manipulate people and to get even more powerful by storing talented people as engrams. Selling it as "Secure your Soul" to the super rich is mostly a marketing trick, that becomes clear when you read what Soulkiller actually does to a person.
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#3,943
Dec 20, 2020
acakomandos said:
Give this man a cookie. I agree dude
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Check my signature for more detailed ways of fixing the endings without extending them but solidifying their outcomes as well as incorporating missed game mechanics.
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#3,944
Dec 20, 2020
acakomandos said:
SPOILERS FOR INCEPTION. Inception had many clues that guy woke up at end. First one and most important is from the guy who wrote script. He said that every scene where is old guy aka father that he is awake. Second he said in move multiple times that he had same nightmare. He called and called his kids and he never saw their faces and at the end he saw them. Third watch his marrying ring, he is never wearing ring when he is awake, only in dreams. At last scene where he gave passport to customs he didnt have it. So no it is not like inception. Story is just not really finished here. Well i can still hope a bit that whole story is not yet here. That DLC will finnish story on a nicer tone.
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You can make the argument for V being able to find a cure during those 6 months, if you want. The thing is, there are 8 different endings, and the DLC will never be able to bridge all of them. It would be about only 1 of them, or an entirely different ending. According to CDPR's own words the DLC will not be expanding upon the story we have, because that would be considered "withholding story for the future".
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Froste29 said:
That is why we have 7 endings.

At least 1 ending should be suitable for someone. I might like that one, but you don't. You perhaps prefer another one. Perfectly fine.

But at the moment all 7 endings only cater to the edgelords imo. (Maybe Nomad one to a lesser degree)
That is not freedom of choice or good writing in my book.
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I'm not saying anything different, I think the endings are bad and should be fixed. It's not going to be in the form of DLC though, because that would be opposite of what CDPR were saying.
 
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Froste29

Froste29

Forum regular
#3,945
Dec 20, 2020
Hammerstein said:
Nope, play the game again.

"Fate worse than death", stated in the opening of the game.

AI Alt says that she is no longer the Alt that Johnny knew. So Alt is dead too.

After the Hellman interrogation you have a chat with Johnny about the whole "Secure your Soul" program. It's a vehicle for Arasaka to manipulate people and to get even more powerful by storing talented people as engrams. Selling it as "Secure your Soul" to the super rich is mostly a marketing trick, that becomes clear when you read what Soulkiller actually does to a person.
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While that might be true we should not forget that Johnny and others have motives to sell you the Soulkiller as the absolute worst:

1. He is a terrorist who killed countless innocent people just to see Arasaka burn. He is super biased

2. If V gives up Johnny gets a new body without having to fight with V over it.

3. Alt has a similar motive in eating all the Engrams and possibly being in cahoots with Johnny, because she wants him back

There is no unbiased opinion in the game regarding the relic, so we should take everything with a grain of salt.
 
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RayBotty

RayBotty

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#3,946
Dec 20, 2020
Hammerstein said:
Nope, play the game again.

"Fate worse than death", stated in the opening of the game.

AI Alt says that she is no longer the Alt that Johnny knew. So Alt is dead too.

After the Hellman interrogation you have a chat with Johnny about the whole "Secure your Soul" program. It's a vehicle for Arasaka to manipulate people and to get even more powerful by storing talented people as engrams. Selling it as "Secure your Soul" to the super rich is mostly a marketing trick, that becomes clear when you read what Soulkiller actually does to a person.
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Arasaka grew as big as they did in no small part because of their security staff spying on the companies that hired them, and through the extortion and blackmail conducted by their law firm. Using engrams as a source of information is absolutely something they'd do. It's how they interrogated enemy netrunners during the 4th Corporate War for example.
 
Barsenthor

Barsenthor

Forum regular
#3,947
Dec 20, 2020
Froste29 said:
Then just extend the existing endings. Make it clear that Nomads/Blue Eyes have a way to find a cure and keep us guessing if it worked. As longs as CDPR does not confirm V died later, my headcannon can still be that they made it.
Extend Arasaka ending to give you a glimpse of recovered V getting a phone call from Panam/Judy to start over or sth. like that.

You don't have to spoonfeed me information, just show me that my headcanon has full freedom to believe whatever I want. And I want to believe there is a happy ending.

Mass Effect 3 managed this with the Extended Cut. Why can't this game?
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The only one thing that they fixed with ME3 Ec was the loopholes that was suggesting indoctrination theory. RGB as poitless and bizarre it was, stands to this day. Even canon red ending shown in Me4 teaser was a damage control before ME trilogy remaster will come out and more people will get this feeling of disappointment.

i think that Arasaka and Nomads endings are way to go for expansions. In both V lives, tho I will be probably as an engram
 
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Froste29

Froste29

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#3,948
Dec 20, 2020
Simuxas said:
Check my signature for more detailed ways of fixing the endings without extending them but solidifying their outcomes as well as incorporating missed game mechanics.
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Yeah, I already liked it, but from my gaming experience going back and changing story-stuff AFTER release is an absolute Never-do-this in the gaming industry. I mean look at the backlash J.K. Rowling got for it.

Our only hope are DLC's or an Extended Cut where new stuff just gets tacked on at the end.
Or at worst case, modders with a big heart for softies like me.
 
Hammerstein

Hammerstein

Forum regular
#3,949
Dec 20, 2020
Barsenthor said:
But living legend was Jackie’s idea. V hardly had any idea what s/he wants. Even Johnny said this that it was all about eddies for him/her and we can conclude that this was about Act 1 motivation. Maybe something about the legend after Dexter’s limo pep talk. Buts that it, in elevator scene V is like “fucking major league, happy now Jackie?!”.

The rest is about survival and it seams that survival at any costs.
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Dug this out for you. V later shared Jackie's dream.

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Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#3,950
Dec 20, 2020
Froste29 said:
Yeah, I already liked it, but from my gaming experience going back and changing story-stuff AFTER release is an absolute Never-do-this in the gaming industry. I mean look at the backlash J.K. Rowling got for it.

Our only hope are DLC's or an Extended Cut where new stuff just gets tacked on at the end.
Or at worst case, modders with a big heart for softies like me.
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No need to change anything mid game honestly, just connect the choices to the ending.
 
Froste29

Froste29

Forum regular
#3,951
Dec 20, 2020
Barsenthor said:
The only one thing that they fixed with ME3 Ec was the loopholes that was suggesting indoctrination theory. RGB as poitless and bizarre it was, stands to this day. Even canon red ending shown in Me4 teaser was a damage control before ME trilogy remaster will come out and more people will get this feeling of disappointment.

i think that Arasaka and Nomads endings are way to go for expansions. In both V lives, tho I will be probably as an engram
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I agree that it was still bad, BUT we got closure and an opportunity for a "happy end" with Shepard breathing in the destroy ending.

The endings where okay in a sense that your death made a difference in every one, although I still just wanted Shep to survive.

Here they do not even accomplish anything. V wasn't destined to save NC from the Corps or sth., he isnt galactic hero Shepard. His goal was survival and he missed that by a longshot.
 
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Puhctek

Puhctek

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#3,952
Dec 20, 2020
Froste29 said:
3. Alt has a similar motive in eating all the Engrams and possibly being in cahoots with Johnny, because she wants him back
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Going into the final mission, I was certain there would be some sort of ominous consequences for letting Alt into Mikoshi. She was just so spooky. But does it even come up in any of the epilogues?
 
acakomandos

acakomandos

Forum regular
#3,953
Dec 20, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
You can make the argument for V being able to find a cure during those 6 months, if you want. The thing is, there are 8 different endings, and the DLC will never be able to bridge all of them. It would be about only 1 of them, or an entirely different ending. According to CDPR's own words the DLC will not be expanding upon the story we have, because that would be considered "withholding story for the future".
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I'm not saying anything different, I think the endings are and should be fixed. It's not going to be in the form of DLC though, because that would be opposite of what CDPR were saying.
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I agree but they could merge all stories where V chose life. If player didnt chose going with nomad, they could receve a call from some random dude or I dunno. I guess you are right it will stay like this. And that makes me sad really, I really think that out of 8 endings one at least should be living long but with some problems,vomiting blood,or faint from time to time. Like this I just fell bad for romancing Judy who went through a lot of shit, getting killed Saoul, and I dont fell like it was worth it. I loved every single moment, i cred like a bitch, laughed, just enjoed writing...but this ending..i dunno what to fell like honestly
 
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Cloud7

Cloud7

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#3,954
Dec 20, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
According to CDPR's own words the DLC will not be expanding upon the story we have, because that would be considered "withholding story for the future".
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Sounds like a suicide attempt if they keep it that way. Cause nothing you do influences anything in the city or around you and sure as hell you can't influence anything for V. So the entire story is pointless for V. But on the bright side you could give Johnny a new life 50 years after his death........ wohooo..........
 
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acakomandos

acakomandos

Forum regular
#3,955
Dec 20, 2020
acakomandos said:
I agree but they could merge all stories where V chose life. If player didnt chose going with nomad, they could receve a call from some random dude or I dunno. I guess you are right it will stay like this. And that makes me sad really, I really think that out of 8 endings one at least should be living long but with some problems,vomiting blood,or faint from time to time. Like this I just fell bad for romancing Judy who went through a lot of shit, getting killed Saoul, and I dont fell like it was worth it. I loved every single moment, i cred like a bitch, laughed, just enjoed writing...but this ending..i dunno what to fell like honestly
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In the end I fell like a Villan. I am hurting someone, or someone is dead cus of me. All that stories for are then waste of time if you cant pull this off. Imagine ending where you can live, giving promise to Judy/Panam that you are done with shooting,and action. Just calming down and enjoying life. Ending where you dont lose everything, ending where you can fell that figh was worth it
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#3,956
Dec 20, 2020
For those hoping for DLC,

Let's look at it this way, for the entire duration of this game our main goal was to find a cure for V, and we found NONE. Right?

Let's say they release DLC to expand upon the endings, your goal now is to find a cure for V during the 6 months you have left. Do you see any similarities? What was the point of the game? Are we going to go through the same exact story twice?

Either you should be happy with the ending we got, or ask for a "different ending". There is no continuation to the story. CDPR is not going to make a new expansion with the exact same story we got. It does not make sense.
 
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Froste29

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#3,957
Dec 20, 2020
Puhctek said:
Going into the final mission, I was certain there would be some sort of ominous consequences for letting Alt into Mikoshi. She was just so spooky. But does it even come up in any of the epilogues?
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I do not think so. In the endings where you leave the city it is fine though, because those give me vibes of "fuck the world, I just want to life my own life now".
So V doesn't care about any consequence from letting Alt go ham.
 
acakomandos

acakomandos

Forum regular
#3,958
Dec 20, 2020
Cloud7 said:
Sounds like a suicide attempt if they keep it that way. Cause nothing you do influences anything in the city or around you and sure as hell you can't influence anything for V. So the entire story is pointless for V. But on the bright side you could give Johnny a new life 50 years after his death........ wohooo..........
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Jhonny was really going up my nerves most of the time. Like okay i understand the anger, i understand what he went through but like giving him my body, hell naw
 
Barsenthor

Barsenthor

Forum regular
#3,959
Dec 20, 2020
Hammerstein said:
Dug this out for you. V later shared Jackie's dream.

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Yep, but V was far more often talking about survival and death than living as a legend. Towards the end of the game, this is the main and practically the only purpose of his/her life.
 
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Froste29

Froste29

Forum regular
#3,960
Dec 20, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
For those hoping for DLC,

Let's look at it this way, for the entire duration of this game our main goal was to find a cure for V, and we found NONE. Right?

Let's say they release DLC to expand upon the endings, your goal now is to find a cure for V during the 6 months you have left. Do you see any similarities? What was the point of the game? Are we going to go through the same exact story twice?

Either you should be happy with the ending we got, or ask for a "different ending". There is no continuation to the story. CDPR is not going to make a new expansion with the exact same story we got. It does not make sense.
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True. Unfortunately..

God damnit. I just want to touch the game again, but I just can't. It is just a game, but it pains me to let down imaginary friends or love interests. I even paid back Viktor asap lmao.
 
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