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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 430 44.2%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 92 9.5%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 286 29.4%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 165 17.0%

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acakomandos

acakomandos

Forum regular
#3,961
Dec 20, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
For those hoping for DLC,

Let's look at it this way, for the entire duration of this game our main goal was to find a cure for V, and we found NONE. Right?

Let's say they release DLC to expand upon the endings, your goal now is to find a cure for V during the 6 months you have left. Do you see any similarities? What was the point of the game? Are we going to go through the same exact story twice?

Either you should be happy with the ending we got, or ask for a "different ending". There is no continuation to the story. CDPR is not going to make a new expansion with the exact same story we got. It does not make sense.
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Out of 7 or 8 endings at least one could be at more positive than you are dying no matter what
 
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Hammerstein

Hammerstein

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#3,962
Dec 20, 2020
Froste29 said:
While that might be true we should not forget that Johnny and others have motives to sell you the Soulkiller as the absolute worst:

1. He is a terrorist who killed countless innocent people just to see Arasaka burn. He is super biased

2. If V gives up Johnny gets a new body without having to fight with V over it.

3. Alt has a similar motive in eating all the Engrams and possibly being in cahoots with Johnny, because she wants him back

There is no unbiased opinion in the game regarding the relic, so we should take everything with a grain of salt.
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1. Depends, but from what he says it does not seem as if he had wanted to murder every janitor in the tower.

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Ofc, the whole game constantly provides you with unreliable information, even in the mission descriptions in your journal - when the game tells you that only "Doing this or that" can save your life - and then these statements in the description turn out to be false. Also AI Alt says that Johnny's memories might also not be what they seem, because what we see is how Johnny remembers things - or rather, how he wants to remember things.

I already posted one or two days ago, that I think that AI Alt and Johnny have a plot to eat every engram in Mikoshi and steal V's body for Johnny. Pretty much every piece of evidence points to that. Johnny initially wanting to kill you, you waking up with the orange pills in your hand, AI Alt even admitting that you will be turned into an engram, the assimilation of every engram in Mikoshi being barely a topic (and Johnny not caring what happens to them), V getting zapped with Soulkiller as soon as they enter Mikoshi without getting a chance to protest....and so on....
 
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Barsenthor

Barsenthor

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#3,963
Dec 20, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
For those hoping for DLC,

Let's look at it this way, for the entire duration of this game our main goal was to find a cure for V, and we found NONE. Right?

Let's say they release DLC to expand upon the endings, your goal now is to find a cure for V during the 6 months you have left. Do you see any similarities? What was the point of the game? Are we going to go through the same exact story twice?

Either you should be happy with the ending we got, or ask for a "different ending". There is no continuation to the story. CDPR is not going to make a new expansion with the exact same story we got. It does not make sense.
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Yes, V fails to saves his/her body, what you get is endgram in the shell.

look in this from other side. Any expansion would require hiring Keenu for motion capture and VO. It’s not going to happened since this would costs them arm and leg.
 
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Hammerstein

Hammerstein

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#3,964
Dec 20, 2020
RayBotty said:
Arasaka grew as big as they did in no small part because of their security staff spying on the companies that hired them, and through the extortion and blackmail conducted by their law firm. Using engrams as a source of information is absolutely something they'd do. It's how they interrogated enemy netrunners during the 4th Corporate War for example.
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Johnny even confirming this.

"Secure your Soul" would have been Saburo's endgame. Super rich people getting sold on the idea of immortality, getting uploaded to Mikoshi, where the engrams are reprogrammed in subtle ways and then are uploaded into new bodies. Arasaka would have total control over the world's elite.
 

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MandyZGaming

MandyZGaming

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#3,965
Dec 20, 2020
The more I think about it sadly, the more I believe survival was never intended in this game. I think it was just about, what we would do with our time given, what losses we could endure etc. Well if it was the case then well done, but for a game it is very sad. We all understand that we have to die at some point, RL or game, but for a game to really give the player a chance of everything only to rip everything away again is the most cruel thing. We all deserve our happy endings in games at least, because noone knows about now, what RL has still to give. And if boths the same, why bother playing such games anymore anyway. Don´t get me wrong, I´m still hoping for the better, just saying it could´ve been their motive to do as it is now.
 
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acakomandos

acakomandos

Forum regular
#3,966
Dec 20, 2020
MandyZGaming said:
The more I think about it sadly, the more I believe survival was never intended in this game. I think it was just about, what we would do with our time given, what losses we could endure etc. Well if it was the case then well done, but for a game it is very sad. We all understand that we have to die at some point, RL or game, but for a game to really give the player a chance of everything only to rip everything away again is the most cruel thing. We all deserve our happy endings in games at least, because noone knows about now, what RL has still to give. And if boths the same, why bother playing such games anymore anyway. Don´t get me wrong, I´m still hoping for the better, just saying it could´ve been their motive to do as it is now.
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Yeah I agree. We can only hope now, we will see what happens
 
Solidus2kill

Solidus2kill

Forum regular
#3,967
Dec 20, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
For those hoping for DLC,

Let's look at it this way, for the entire duration of this game our main goal was to find a cure for V, and we found NONE. Right?

Let's say they release DLC to expand upon the endings, your goal now is to find a cure for V during the 6 months you have left. Do you see any similarities? What was the point of the game? Are we going to go through the same exact story twice?

Either you should be happy with the ending we got, or ask for a "different ending". There is no continuation to the story. CDPR is not going to make a new expansion with the exact same story we got. It does not make sense.
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every Dlcs pre-main story and pre-ending would make no sense 'cause we have the "time is running out" factor

so yes the story dlcs should be about the endings or a post story arc who explores Alt and cure for V.

Why add a story before the endings and after the six months with jackie? no fucking zero sense at all

and I'm talking 'bout good writing, they can add everything they but a story arc during act 2 is really silly
 
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Hammerstein

Hammerstein

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#3,968
Dec 20, 2020
MandyZGaming said:
The more I think about it sadly, the more I believe survival was never intended in this game. I think it was just about, what we would do with our time given, what losses we could endure etc. Well if it was the case then well done, but for a game it is very sad. We all understand that we have to die at some point, RL or game, but for a game to really give the player a chance of everything only to rip everything away again is the most cruel thing. We all deserve our happy endings in games at least, because noone knows about now, what RL has still to give. And if boths the same, why bother playing such games anymore anyway. Don´t get me wrong, I´m still hoping for the better, just saying it could´ve been their motive to do as it is now.
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Probably, but they messed up that trope.

Which is shameful, because examples and sources are constantly mentioned throughout the game. Hemingway's "For Whom the Bell tolls", which was Jackie's favourite book and Homer's "Odyssey", of which we find a copy in your room on the Arasaka station.

I already wrote about these examples in the past couple of days and to me it seems that the writers do not understand the content, instead twisting the moral of these pieces of world literature into some grimdark fanfic. Just look up my posts if you want to read the full rant, I will only sum it up briefly here:

In Hemingway the hero dies, but he makes a big difference and saves many of the people he cared for.

In Homer, the hero survives, he achieves his goal in the end, but at great cost to himself and others.

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In the Nomad or Space Heist endings I would have been perfectly fine with the "6 months to live" thing, once Johnny gets removed from my head (and hope for a resolution in the expansions). But the Soulkiller part ruined it, cause the original V dies upon entering Mikoshi and you have no way to change this.
 
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Solidus2kill

Solidus2kill

Forum regular
#3,969
Dec 20, 2020
V is such a dumbass and CDPR gave him zero chance to be the true hero of the game,
Johnny is an idiot and deserve everything ? no thanks
 
acakomandos

acakomandos

Forum regular
#3,970
Dec 20, 2020
Barsenthor said:
Yes, V fails to saves his/her body, what you get is endgram in the shell.

look in this from other side. Any expansion would require hiring Keenu for motion capture and VO. It’s not going to happened since this would costs them arm and leg.
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Honestly i dont wanna see silverhand again lol. I would rather have some extra short story just to save V. Like all this endings are too dark and grim honestly. I mean its too much
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#3,971
Dec 20, 2020
MandyZGaming said:
The more I think about it sadly, the more I believe survival was never intended in this game. I think it was just about, what we would do with our time given, what losses we could endure etc. Well if it was the case then well done, but for a game it is very sad. We all understand that we have to die at some point, RL or game, but for a game to really give the player a chance of everything only to rip everything away again is the most cruel thing. We all deserve our happy endings in games at least, because noone knows about now, what RL has still to give. And if boths the same, why bother playing such games anymore anyway. Don´t get me wrong, I´m still hoping for the better, just saying it could´ve been their motive to do as it is now.
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I wouldn't mind the ending in a linear game, but if you wanna call it an RPG, then you should give the player the choice to decide their fate.
 
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Barsenthor

Barsenthor

Forum regular
#3,972
Dec 20, 2020
Pre-ending DLC can’t happens since this would require Johnny on board: either way they had already do all the motion capture or this is post ending ones. This maybe why main story was shortened so people would do a speed runs.
 
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Solidus2kill

Solidus2kill

Forum regular
#3,973
Dec 20, 2020
Hope for a mod that delete Keanu from the game
 
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acakomandos

acakomandos

Forum regular
#3,974
Dec 20, 2020
Hammerstein said:
Probably, but they messed up that trope.

Which is shameful, because examples and sources are constantly mentioned throughout the game. Hemingway's "For Whom the Bell tolls", which was Jackie's favourite book and Homer's "Odyssey", of which we find a copy in your room on the Arasaka station.

I already wrote about these examples in the past couple of days and to me it seems that the writers do not understand the content, instead twisting the moral of these pieces of world literature into some grimdark fanfic. Just look up my posts if you want to read the full rant, I will only sum it up briefly here:

In Hemingway the hero dies, but he makes a big difference and saves many of the people he cared for.

In Homer, the hero survives, he achieves his goal in the end, but at great cost to himself and others.
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Share me a link to your rant. I wanna read it
 
Solidus2kill

Solidus2kill

Forum regular
#3,975
Dec 20, 2020
Barsenthor said:
Pre-ending DLC can’t happens since this would require Johnny on board: either way they had already do all the motion capture or this is post ending ones. This maybe why main story was shortened so people would do a speed runs.
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this ^
 
MandyZGaming

MandyZGaming

Forum regular
#3,976
Dec 20, 2020
As of now i just imagine my happy end with River and his family, because I don´t even feel like touching the game currently. It just feels wrong!
 
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acakomandos

acakomandos

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#3,977
Dec 20, 2020
Solidus2kill said:
Hope for a mod that delete Keanu from the game
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He is integral to the story in act 2 and 3. No luck there I am affraid
 
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BGM45

BGM45

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#3,978
Dec 20, 2020
Barsenthor said:
Yes, V fails to saves his/her body, what you get is endgram in the shell.

look in this from other side. Any expansion would require hiring Keenu for motion capture and VO. It’s not going to happened since this would costs them arm and leg.
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I've been thinking about it, and if we are talking about post-game dlc, then they don't really need Keanu: even if you give him your body, Johnny talks in V's voice from then on (there is some weird reverb effect but I can't say for sure if it's Keanu's voice or just V's actor's voice with some effects applied). and if you didn't and he yeeted into the cloud with Alt, then obviously no more Johnny and no more Keanu.

even if they for some reason make giving him V's body the one true canon, they don't need Keanu, just some edgy dialogue and sound mixing magic.
 
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Solidus2kill

Solidus2kill

Forum regular
#3,979
Dec 20, 2020
Pre-endings Dlcs (both not and plot related) make no sense because:

1) Keanu Reeves

2) the "time is ending" factor would be devauled
 
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acakomandos

acakomandos

Forum regular
#3,980
Dec 20, 2020
Solidus2kill said:
V is such a dumbass and CDPR gave him zero chance to be the true hero of the game,
Johnny is an idiot and deserve everything ? no thanks
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I got that same felling. If you romance you will feel like a real idiot. If you romance judy and meet her, what you do to her at the end is sadistic. Lol your best frend died be with me so that I could die and you can watch it
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BGM45 said:
I've been thinking about, and if we are talking about post-game dlc, then they don't really need Keanu: even if you give him your body, Johnny talks in V's voice from then on (there is some weird reverb effect but I can't say for sure if it's Keanu's voice or just V's actor's voice with some effects applied). and if you didn't and he yeeted into the cloud with Alt, then obviously no more Johnny and no more Keanu.

even if they for some reason make giving him V's body the one true cannon, they don't need Keanu, just some edgy dialogue and sound mixing magic.
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Thank you
 
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