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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 392 45.8%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 76 8.9%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 249 29.1%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

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Kikinho

Kikinho

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#4,061
Dec 20, 2020
Froste29 said:
So he said. I think he was a sociopath. He abused you right the start, noticed it won't help him and instead tried the sugarcoating route, leading you to Alt, presenting it to be the best course of action.

And guess what, your only option is to agree to Alt's plan.
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Nah, you are thinking too much into it. Jhonny is troubled, but not a sociopath at all.
 
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pEestino

pEestino

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#4,062
Dec 20, 2020
Froste29 said:
So he said. I think he was a sociopath. He abused you right the start, noticed it won't help him and instead tried the sugarcoating route, leading you to Alt, presenting it to be the best course of action.

And guess what, your only option is to agree to Alt's plan.
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Alt hates him however because she's not bodily Alt, millennia probably has passed in cyberspace because 5 minutes might be a day or w/e as time has a different flow.
Alt shows somewhat of what's left of her emotions towards Johnny and it's not the good kind either, I think she genuinely helped V either out of spite or because she calculated the possibilities of actually doing what she set out to do from the start and had no reason to betray him.
AI have or shouldn't have any form of resentment, they do as they think is best for whatever their goals are and Alt's goals was to fuck up Arasaka and absorb all the souls to get stronger in the black wall probably to breach it in the next CP game is my bet.
She clearly states she's not the Alt Johnny knew and yet Johnny being a construct as he is shows emotions and all, so construct may very well show emotions based on their past "memories" of their actual holders and copy what they would've said.
 
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Froste29

Froste29

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#4,063
Dec 20, 2020
Hammerstein said:
Well it's not a philosophical debate when the game's lore states that Soulkiller makes a copy and then brain wipes you.

So the copy gets to live another 6 months, but the original must die. Sounds like a pretty shitty trade...

In the Space Heist ending your love interest leaves you, stating that "You have changed....".....
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I think we both are right. Of course it is not "original Vs body" But it still is his mind, thoughts, feelings, knowledge.

It is V, but at the same time he is not.
 
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acakomandos

acakomandos

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#4,064
Dec 20, 2020
Froste29 said:
So he said. I think he was a sociopath. He abused you right the start, noticed it won't help him and instead tried the sugarcoating route, leading you to Alt, presenting it to be the best course of action.

And guess what, your only option is to agree to Alt's plan.
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I gotta agree, i really didnt like him too much. He was dick most of the time, when he said what you are gonna help that whore i boiled with anger lol. I think i got too conected to all people in the game honestly, that is why i want so badly better end then heh u ded no matter what
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#4,065
Dec 20, 2020
Hammerstein said:
Well it's not a philosophical debate when the game's lore states that Soulkiller makes a copy and then brain wipes you.

So the copy gets to live another 6 months, but the original must die. Sounds like a pretty shitty trade...

In the Space Heist ending your love interest leaves you, stating that "You have changed....".....
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That almost literally states that V went for something that he/she never wanted, to go out in a blaze of glory or becoming a legend.
 
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acakomandos

acakomandos

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#4,066
Dec 20, 2020
pEestino said:
Alt hates him however because she's not bodily Alt, millennia probably has passed in cyberspace because 5 minutes might be a day or w/e as time has a different flow.
Alt shows somewhat of what's left of her emotions towards Johnny and it's not the good kind either, I think she genuinely helped V either out of spite or because she calculated the possibilities of actually doing what she set out to do from the start and had no reason to betray him.
AI have or shouldn't have any form of resentment, they do as they think is best for whatever their goals are and Alt's goals was to fuck up Arasaka and absorb all the souls to get stronger in the black wall probably to breach it in the next CP game is my bet.
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Next game in 10+ years maybe but prolly not after shitstorm they created
 
Hammerstein

Hammerstein

Forum regular
#4,067
Dec 20, 2020
pEestino said:
I wholeheartedly agree, Johnny affected V's decisionmaking and psyche and viceversa, you're basically a mental copy of V, true because your conciousness has been replaced but at the same time, it happened already at the start of the game? V dies in the dump, DeShawn kills the actual V we know from the start also where does this thing about Alt zapping V and taking him even come from? Surely she flatlined him whether or not she could or couldn't save his body is up for debate and I think not because she disregards physical bodies completely but at the same time she gave you a choice when she could've straight up nabbed you the moment you linked in.
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Johnny says so when you enter Mikoshi and then Alt explains she used Soulkiller on you. It's especially clear in the Nomad ending. You even get a line that's something like "What, you did that without asking me". You don't get a choice to decide if you get Soulkilled or not.

You don't get brain wiped in the beginning. You flatline and the chip activates it's program, which has the side effect of kickstarting you again. If you were brain wiped, there would be no V once the chip revives you. It's a big different from what happens in Mikoshi or what Soulkiller does.
 

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Froste29

Froste29

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#4,068
Dec 20, 2020
Kikinho said:
Nah, you are thinking too much into it. Jhonny is troubled, but not a sociopath at all.
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I don't know, someone who is willing to blow up civilians is not just "troubled" to me.
 
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pEestino

pEestino

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#4,069
Dec 20, 2020
Hammerstein said:
Alt says so herself when you enter Mikoshi and explains that she used Soulkiller on you. It's especially clear in the Nomad ending. You even get a line that's something like "What, you did that without asking me". You don't get a choice to decide if you get Soulkilled or not.
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You don't get the choice of not being soulkilled because there's probably nothing she can do about it, in truth.. It's a bit of a grey area but why would an AI lie? She achieved what she wanted, she could straight up tell you the truth and say she nabbed your soul for her own blackwall project and you'd do what? You're powerless, you're in cyberspace and she could destroy you as you are still jacked in, she could literally fry you the moment you jacked in and take your soul.
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Froste29 said:
I don't know, someone who is willing to blow up civilians is not just "troubled" to me.
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He's the "Ends justify the means" kind of guy, is it horrible that he killed 12k civs? Yes.. But at the same time corpos have been ruling since decades and your average citizen is struggling to pull their life together with scraps, now, I'm not justifying killing 12k people because blowing Arasaka tower was stupid and he did that out of spite for what they did to Alt but surely killing Arasaka was a good plan to start with since Cali is its own independent state.
 
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acakomandos

acakomandos

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#4,070
Dec 20, 2020
Vincentdante said:
I love when things have the balls to make a sad ending. I have full respect for any medium that goes against what the mainstream demand is a satisfactory conclusion. I guess that's why I love movies like the Mist etc as well. So seeing this thread has been the biggest selling point for me lol (skipping the actual story related stuff ofc).
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I mean i get it. It was pretty ballsy to do that, but then why have 7 endings? Why say to us you have impact on story? You can either die or die different way. I went pretty deep into all side stories and I really don like that I dont have choice or impact in RPG. Like if it was linear game fine, but 7 endings? SEVEN and all are like eachother. I dunno, ending ruined it for me
 
pEestino

pEestino

Forum regular
#4,071
Dec 20, 2020
acakomandos said:
I mean i get it. It was pretty ballsy to do that, but then why have 7 endings? Why say to us you have impact on story? You can either die or die different way. I went pretty deep into all side stories and I really don like that I dont have choice or impact in RPG. Like if it was linear game fine, but 7 endings? SEVEN and all are like eachother. I dunno, ending ruined it for me
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The only impact on the "story" that you have is end credits by doing sides and secret ending/panam/rogue ending lols
 
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acakomandos

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#4,072
Dec 20, 2020
pEestino said:
The only impact on the "story" that you have is end credits by doing sides and secret ending/panam/rogue ending lols
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And those "impacts" make you fell shitty for doing them. Either they leave you, which means again its pointless or in case of Judy she stays with you to watch her love die. SADISTIC. Like lol you lost best frend why not love? Come with me so that I can fuck u up. I kinda fell bad for romancing tbh
 
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nebuul

Fresh user
#4,073
Dec 20, 2020
I found the Panam ending to be quite hopeful. V is talking with her looking over the city, and they leave to go find a way to fix him. Then in the end credit video sequences, Misty reads his tarot cards and is very hopeful about them. was he cured on screen? No, but he certainly did not die and it was done with a tone that suggested they might overcome this.
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#4,074
Dec 20, 2020
nebuul said:
I found the Panam ending to be quite hopeful. V is talking with her looking over the city, and they leave to go find a way to fix him. Then in the end credit video sequences, Misty reads his tarot cards and is very hopeful about them. was he cured on screen? No, but he certainly did not die and it was done with a tone that suggested they might overcome this.
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Ehhh, it's much more complicated than you think. But who am I to judge. :shrug:
 
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acakomandos

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#4,075
Dec 20, 2020
nebuul said:
I found the Panam ending to be quite hopeful. V is talking with her looking over the city, and they leave to go find a way to fix him. Then in the end credit video sequences, Misty reads his tarot cards and is very hopeful about them. was he cured on screen? No, but he certainly did not die and it was done with a tone that suggested they might overcome this.
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Yeah there is someone who talked about cards. Last one was sun and hope and life as I remember. But again just to leave story there seems like unfinished storytelling at best
 
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pEestino

pEestino

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#4,076
Dec 20, 2020
acakomandos said:
And those "impacts" make you fell shitty for doing them. Either they leave you, which means again its pointless or in case of Judy she stays with you to watch her love die. SADISTIC. Like lol you lost best frend why not love? Come with me so that I can fuck u up. I kinda fell bad for romancing tbh
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I think that's the better ending, both Judy and Panam knew I was gonna die no matter what and if my character would continue with my same choice in those 6 months I wouldn't have hidden it, would it be sad? Definetly.. But you know, if you had someone in your family suffer from a terminal illness you wouldn't just ditch them, quite the opposite infact, you'd enjoy every last bit of company before the illness takes over and makes them bedridden.
This is my take and what I would do IRL however, some probably wouldn't be able to live with it as it would make them desperate.
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acakomandos said:
Yeah there is someone who talked about cards. Last one was sun and hope and life as I remember. But again just to leave story there seems like unfinished storytelling at best
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Yes, I explained that Misty never pulled wrong cards out of her deck, this is clearly plot bias but it's cool, she even tells you about the endings before it's time if you end her quest, all the cards she pulls are good cards for Panam's ending, fulfilling happy life and other stuff, just look up tarot card: chariot/sun/lovers :p
 
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Hammerstein

Hammerstein

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#4,077
Dec 20, 2020
Froste29 said:
So he said. I think he was a sociopath. He abused you right the start, noticed it won't help him and instead tried the sugarcoating route, leading you to Alt, presenting it to be the best course of action.

And guess what, your only option is to agree to Alt's plan.
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That's the big problem with the game.

Either agree with AI Alt and have Soulkiller used on you. Then have your Engram die 6 months later.

Commit Suicide.

Go with Arasaka and have Soulkiller used on you (as with AI Alt) or die 6 months later as disabled, original V.

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The issue is that there is no in-between. No "Live 6 months, but not have Soulkiller used on you".

On the one hand Soulkiller is depicted in the game as the worst thing ever to use on someone and as a secret project by Saburo, to control the idiots who buy into it under the fake "Secure your Soul" marketing.

And at the same time the only way out is suicide or 6 months as a shadow of your former self. While in the Nomad and Space Heist endings the writers suddenly act as if having Soulkiller used on you and being turned into an Engram is no big deal at all.
 
Froste29

Froste29

Forum regular
#4,078
Dec 20, 2020
nebuul said:
I found the Panam ending to be quite hopeful. V is talking with her looking over the city, and they leave to go find a way to fix him. Then in the end credit video sequences, Misty reads his tarot cards and is very hopeful about them. was he cured on screen? No, but he certainly did not die and it was done with a tone that suggested they might overcome this.
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Yeah, after cooling down I am not sure anymore if I actually want closure from CDPR on this. It could be "they lived happily after" it could also be "he dead lel".

So leaving me to imagine the happy ending by myself and never crushing or reinforcing that thought further might be the way.
 
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acakomandos

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Dec 20, 2020
pEestino said:
I think that's the better ending, both Judy and Panam knew I was gonna die no matter what and if my character would continue with my same choice in those 6 months I wouldn't have hidden it, would it be sad? Definetly.. But you know, if you had someone in your family suffer from a terminal illness you wouldn't just ditch them, quite the opposite infact, you'd enjoy every last bit of company before the illness takes over and makes them bedridden.
This is my take and what I would do IRL however, some probably wouldn't be able to live with it as it would make them desperate.
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Yeah I agree, and understand that. Its sad but at least V dosent die alone. (s)he is dying in a family surronded by people who will be there. So yeah sad ending but at least there is something nice. I thing people are more pissed because this should be RPG but in the end dosent matter u die
 
pEestino

pEestino

Forum regular
#4,080
Dec 20, 2020
Hammerstein said:
That's the big problem with the game.

Either agree with AI Alt and have Soulkiller used on you. Then have your Engram die 6 months later.

Commit Suicide.

Go with Arasaka and have Soulkiller used on you (as with AI Alt) or die 6 months later as disabled, original V.

...

The problem is that there is no in-between. No "Live 6 months, but not have Soulkiller used on you".

On the one hand Soulkiller is depicted in the game as the worst thing ever to use on someone and as a secret project by Saburo, to control the idiots who buy into it under the fake "Secure your Soul" marketing.

And at the same time the only way out is suicide or 6 months as a shadow of your former self. While in the Nomad and Space Heist endings the writers suddenly act as if having Soulkiller used on you and being turned into an Engram is no big deal at all.
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If you want to live as actual V, your bet is Arasaka, except they tell you it's no-no because you don't have a clinic dedicated solely to you and no offspring, they don't even mention making you full chrome even though Hanako offers you a job when you go back to earth on end credits (I may be mistaken on this). So in the end you'd never play in V's body, they upload your consciousness in their soul prison and then EVEN IF they find a suitable body, you'd still be an engram, wouldn't you? A copy of your mind, not ACTUAL V.
 
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