[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[Hammerstein]

Some of the endings are absolutely fine because you survive.

Please point me to the endings where we survive.

And where we don't:

1. Commit suicide, cause everything sucks.
2. Get a half lobotomy on the Arasaka space station and are left as disabled person with 6 months to live.
3. Have Arasaka use Soulkiller on us, turn us into a Mikoshi engram and have our original brain wiped.
4. Have AI Alt use Soulkiller on us, wipe our original brain and upload an engram with 6 months to live.
5. Go into cyberspace as engram, where AIs might just eat us for fun.

I wouldn't call any of these outcomes "Survival".

 

[tRYSIS3]

So, I still play the game, ended Act2 today, having a blast ... but I couldn't help myself and wanted to check how to get the best ending. You know, RPGs often need you to have done the right choices during some conversations etc...or do you need a certain johnny-attunement and all that. Wanted to be sure, its a long game after all

And now I learn ... it is MassEffect3 again??? I cannot describe how much this sucks to me. I played ME3 in like two days in 2012, learned the endings, thought I did something wrong, and realized nope, that is all. Hoped for proper DLC to rectify this nonsense...nope. Now I hope for the Remaster and ME4 to rectify the sillyness...

And all the while, Cyberpunk does the same to me...Evelyn's fate already was a gutpunch. Jackie, even T-Bug. And now ... even V???

I again cannot explain how much ths SUCKS! I HATE this whole "lets be deep, dark and depressing" bullshite, as if "happy endings" are only fur doofuses or something. I already had a tirade like that back in the days with ME3. And even there it made no sense to me to end it on usch sad terms. Why was it so hard to end in triumph in at least one ending? Why not allowing us to tell the Reapers "No, I do not care how powerful you are, because I am Cmd. Shepard, and guess what, we FOUND a way to destroy you! And I will do that NOW, and then get back rebuilding all that you destroyed!"

Because ME3 was all about destruction, war, death all through the game...and then the Ending simply did nothing to allow catharsis ... it made all the death and destruction feel even more dire...I could never bring myself to play any ME-Game again until Andromeda...whcih ended better at least...

Long post - threapeutic maybe.

Now I dunno if I even wanna play on. The only thing that kinda makes me consider it that I can easily ignore the "six month to die" sillyness with heavy retconning headcanon...

Or DLC...unlike some, I can see that happening without choosing "one" canon ending. I might elaborate my thoughts in the "possible DLC"-thread though...

And like Bioware with ME3 I am somehow...afraid...that CDR actually thinks their endings are deep and meaningful and had never any intention to continue it or "salvage" them...and with the whole mess of the launch and all I am even afraid for any DLC at all...though usually they are in production already anyways, and shelving them would be more financially stupid then releasing them...

Anyway...need to process all this...it really speaks for CDRed that I care so much for "V"...or Evelyn, Jackie, Panam, hell even Johnny "A-Hole" Silverhand is interesting enough for me to hate him...so there is that...damn emotions...might be better of to be a nonfeeling Cyborg sometimes...

I'd recommend never going past the point of no return, like ever, until the game is fixed. You will only miss 1 jacket and a useless pistol. Just keep going through the side missions. That's what I would do if I were in your position.

 

[azaghul8]

I think we saw enough dark in game we lost many , we saw psycho serial killers , cyberpsychos , soulkiller and corpo psychos. It gave enough darkness at the end it is not as dark for many others in-game look celebs look at the regular people working Jesus look at Rouge still standing there alive after so many years. My point is game did great at showing darkness , just when i found out the ending kills me at that point it doesn't feel dark it feels sad and empty.

Just gotta quote Hammersteins post when people say stuff like this, about what literally happens in the whole story, for the people who think the game isn't dark enough to the point V must die.

 

[Hammerstein]

jesus people
the world, the universe of cyberpunk is
cruel, hard, tough, brutal, severe, ruthless, bitter, grim
there is no good ending for character like V, Jackie, Viktor V and else
im happy to see such scenario like in 2077

Then don't market it as an RPG with multiple outcomes and where your choices supposedly matter. Market it as a grimdark slasher fanfic, written by some emo.

Oh wait....nobody would buy that?!

We already confirmed several pages ago, that maybe 1% of the people here are familiar with the source material. It matters not in the least if it's based on some edgy pen&paper game from the fkin 80ies.

 

[jahkin]

jesus people
the world, the universe of cyberpunk is
cruel, hard, tough, brutal, severe, ruthless, bitter, grim
there is no good ending for character like V, Jackie, Viktor V and else
im happy to see such scenario like in 2077

Ha, another call-back to Mas Effect. I remember before ME3 like som many said "sure, Shepard NEEDS to die because Reapers ARE SO POWERFUL! You cannot beath Space-Cthulu!" And it was a pile of nonsense...

Anyway, dunno much about Cyberpunk's themes. Sure, it is dark. Evelyn, all kinds of deaths etc.

But sorry, to me THIS is the actual reason WHY "V" needs a positive ending possible. Exactly why the game is pretty much dark the entire time!

Also Witcher3 was also pretty dark and miserable all over...still, we got Geralt with Jen, Geralt and Witcher-Ciri, Ciri as Empress, and yes, one where she dies...and probably Geralt. One...Witcher3 seems to be all unicorns and rainbows to me now...

I only ended Act2 today...it ends with "V" once more almost dying...since she gets the chip she is shown so often in pain, mysery, and worst of all, fear of dying. That constant fear of just getting replaced by Johnny, fading away, helpless against it, that is a constant gut punch ... and at least one ending, even a hidden one, should have allowed for catharsis for the player...

Sadly I think CDRed probably thinks "six months to live" is hope and positive enough...and we'll be stuck with this ending and '"grimdark endgyness"

And remembering "Indoctrination Theory" and hopes for retconnong the Ending via DLC for Mass Effect I am ... hesistant to hope CD Red has a positive ace up their sleeve for us planned...

 

[saveherforgodsake]

guys can you pls help me for my petition to save evelyn parker? http://chng.it/rNrMz4gp

 

[Simuxas]

guys can you pls help me for my petition to save evelyn parker? http://chng.it/rNrMz4gp

I think that is not happening my friend. That is like changing half of the game/story.

 

[saveherforgodsake]

I think that is not happening my friend.

 

[herkles]

There is a good Quote by Mike Pondsmith in the Atlantic about how things are in the setting.

Amid the pessimism that largely permeates the broader genre, Cyberpunk reveals Pondsmith to be something of an optimist—at least relatively speaking. In his own words, the game tells players to “grab the wheel, steal the power, break the strangleholds of the corrupt and gun down the thugs they sent to crush you”—and potentially make the “Dark Future” a brighter one. Or, as he told me more prosaically, “if you want a better future, you’d better get off your butt and make it.” It was that implicit message, Pondsmith guesses, that made the game a hit in the first place.

 

[Simuxas]

Sadly that is not how it works, it would require way too much work for something so small. It's better to spend time to achieve something simplier but more impactful like game ending.

 

[Hungrymcpie]

so, this rules out story based dlc, if we are dead and all in the end.

 

[Simuxas]

There is a good Quote by Mike Pondsmith in the Atlantic about how things are in the setting.

 

[tRYSIS3]

Was just watching a streamer on twitch go through the Johnny ending, and she cried at the end because V died and she couldn't say goodbye to her friends. This is definitely the intended purpose from the ending, right?

 

[Simuxas]

Was just watching a streamer on twitch go through the Johnny ending, and she cried at the end because V died and she couldn't say goodbye to her friends. This is definitely the intended purpose from the ending, right?

CDPR:

 

[saveherforgodsake]

Sadly that is not how it works, it would require way too much work for something so small. It's better to spend time to achieve something simplier but more impactful like game ending.

why not we can try it if people sign this petition we can make it. man i was so lost after she died like why! im doing all that for her for nothing? she was one of the best characters in the game and she die so pointless.. this is not what i want and i think a lot of people see it like me right!?

 

[Simuxas]

why not we can try it if people sign this petition we can make it. man i was so lost after she died like why! im doing all that for her for nothing? she was one of the best characters in the game and she die so pointless.. this is not what i want and i think a lot of people see it like me right!?

As I stated before, that would bee too much work for something this meaningless (sorry), yes it is sad, but everything can't be flowers and sunshine. It's like asking for them to not kill Jackie. It is how it is. Changing ending or extending is another thing, much more impactful for least amount of effort.

 

[MeinChurro]

Was just watching a streamer on twitch go through the Johnny ending, and she cried at the end because V died and she couldn't say goodbye to her friends. This is definitely the intended purpose from the ending, right?

Exactly the feelings you would want to invoke in a linear one and done game. A game that lasts maybe 6-12 hours. This is not the correct format to tell a story that is one and done. Especially when they marketed the game for it's "choice" and "replayability".

 

[Greywilde]

Please point me to the endings where we survive.

And where we don't:

1. Commit suicide, cause everything sucks.
2. Get a half lobotomy on the Arasaka space station and are left as disabled person with 6 months to live.
3. Have Arasaka use Soulkiller on us, turn us into a Mikoshi engram and have our original brain wiped.
4. Have AI Alt use Soulkiller on us, wipe our original brain and upload an engram with 6 months to live.
5. Go into cyberspace as engram, where AIs might just eat us for fun.

I wouldn't call any of these outcomes "Survival".

Actually, the core point in your perspective is how you consider "surviving". Being an engram is a way of surviving : finding a new body could define you as a living person, even if not the "original" you.

But your point is why an extra ending is missing, where you can feel like you did it, and survived without a doubt.
Or keeping what we have, but giving more details on the solutions V can find out of Night City with the nomads. Instead, we're left with very few hopes, if any.

It feels like they considered Cyberpunk 2077 like a movie, where bad endings are common and often appreciated. But this approach doesn't make sense and isn't satisfying at all in a Role-playing game. If CDPR don't get it, it simply mean we don't have the same conception of what an RPG is, which is fine.

 

[Simuxas]

Was just watching a streamer on twitch go through the Johnny ending, and she cried at the end because V died and she couldn't say goodbye to her friends. This is definitely the intended purpose from the ending, right?

Should have linked this forum there.

 

[arcsirc]

Sorry to break this to you, but your V is already dead. You are playing as Engram V, whose memories may or may not have been tempered with by AI Alt, during your stay in Mikoshi. You're not longer the V you started the game as.

Hey buddy, making someone else's day shitter shouldn't really be the goal here. You can tell by the tone of their message that they are trying to find some hope in this.