[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[PasDeBras]

So, it's like you people didn't actually finish the game.
V doesn't die in every ending, at all.
Some of them he dies, some we're told by characters he will die in six months, and then, like for the aldecaldos, we're also told they will turn up every rock and every contact out there for a solution to v's condition.
If that doesn't spell sequel or dlc to you, i don't know what could.

 

[Solidus2kill]

So, it's like you people didn't actually finish the game.
V doesn't die in every ending, at all.
Some of them he dies, some we're told by characters he will die in six months, and then, like for the aldecaldos, we're also told they will turn up every rock and every contact out there for a solution to v's condition.
If that doesn't spell sequel or dlc to you, i don't know what could.

I always said that all the endings are placeholder for Dlcs, and I think that cdpr will add free cut content to add more choices during the main storyline

 

[cyths]

If that doesn't spell sequel or dlc to you, i don't know what could.

No offence, but I bought a game, not a 100+ hour cliffhanger.

 

[MeinChurro]

same thing happened with The Witcher 2, the first release was way to rushed and incomplete

Yeah, but at least we got an RPG.

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tbh i'm waiting for a patch or, more likely, a mod that cut's out this six month nonsense.

In fact they have done a good job on the characters since i'm ten time more mad about this shitty endings then about the bugs and CtD i encountered.

It needs to come from CDPR not a mod, might as well make believe it's already cut out. Wouldn't be canon.

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Sooo....
To be honest in my opinion the ending where v gives up his body to save Jonny is the only satisfying for me.

 

[Simuxas]

So, it's like you people didn't actually finish the game.
V doesn't die in every ending, at all.
Some of them he dies, some we're told by characters he will die in six months, and then, like for the aldecaldos, we're also told they will turn up every rock and every contact out there for a solution to v's condition.
If that doesn't spell sequel or dlc to you, i don't know what could.

That is the problem, yes V doesn't die, but every ending ends up with giving V 6 months to live, it doesn't mean V dies, but considering the game just end there, we can only guess. And I doubt the DLC will bring up the endings (Would be scummy as hell), unless it's free or maybe a patch, I don't know, but at the moment V dies almost in every endings except the Arasaka one. Every other ending V gets soukilled and becomes basically, a copy of V ( there is huge debate on it though).

 

[Miles_White]

I don't know if someone posted it and I missed it. But I just finished the Delamain side-quest, and that dude becomes a super AI who lives on the other side of the black-wall. AND he knows you're dying.

Couldn't he legitimately swoop in at the last minute and basically fix V? Outplay Alt and everyone else.

I haven't finished this play-through (and why would I if I die?), but knowing that Del is a digital GOD out there in the ether, and that doesn't affect the story at all seems like wasted material.

 

[zeemanefekti]

Older Scandinavian cyberpunk enthusiast (as a genre) here and a posthumanist at heart. I truly did love all of the endings (except the quickest one for obvious reasons).

Spoiler: Engrams are people too!

I really do not understand this backlash with the endings and especially the philosophical argument with an engram being different from its original human mind/soul. Just check SOMA and its story to see brilliant writing and discussion about digitalizing humans. Metaphysically I can argue that Silverhand is still himself and only himself, as the original human and its biological mind was destroyed by soulkiller during the copying process (there really is no possibility for two identical persons existing when soulkiller is used, which is kind of an easy way out for the writers). So why would this not apply for V, how is he/she "not himself/herself" when Alt uses soulkiller on him/her? Could it be that the idea of mind uploading is just uncomfortable for many players?

This is what really good scifi is about: making us think outside our current wordviews and moral/ethical standings. A cyberpunk story is not our world with netrunners and cyberware and set some years into the future, it is a fictional world based on our world. When a filthy rich person can pretty much live forever, how many would truly believe in a soul anymore?

I would have loved to see Alts side as well and how the assimilation process would actually change Alt when V with all the other Mikoshi engrams joined to Alt. This would have made the Johnny takes Vs body - ending way more interesting.

 

[MeinChurro]

That is the problem, yes V doesn't die, but every ending ends up with giving V 6 months to live, it doesn't mean V dies, but considering the game just end there, we can only guess. And I doubt the DLC will bring up the endings (Would be scummy as hell), unless it's free or maybe a patch, I don't know, but at the moment V dies almost in every endings except the Arasaka one. Every other ending V gets soukilled and becomes basically, a copy of V ( there is huge debate on it though).

Yeah, easy retort. V DOES actually die in all the endings, except for Arasaka, because of soulkiller. Copy V is not V. They just had to tack that on to all of them.

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Older Scandinavian cyberpunk enthusiast (as a genre) here and a posthumanist at heart. I truly did love all of the endings (except the quickest one for obvious reasons).

Spoiler: Engrams are people too!

I really do not understand this backlash with the endings and especially the philosophical argument with an engram being different from its original human mind/soul. Just check SOMA and its story to see brilliant writing and discussion about digitalizing humans. Metaphysically I can argue that Silverhand is still himself and only himself, as the original human and its biological mind was destroyed by soulkiller during the copying process (there really is no possibility for two identical persons existing when soulkiller is used, which is kind of an easy way out for the writers). So why would this not apply for V, how is he/she "not himself/herself" when Alt uses soulkiller on him/her? Could it be that the idea of mind uploading is just uncomfortable for many players?

This is what really good scifi is about: making us think outside our current wordviews and moral/ethical standings. A cyberpunk story is not our world with netrunners and cyberware and set some years into the future, it is a fictional world based on our world. When a filthy rich person can pretty much live forever, how many would truly believe in a soul anymore?

I would have loved to see Alts side as well and how the assimilation process would actually change Alt when V with all the other Mikoshi engrams joined to Alt. This would have made the Johnny takes Vs body - ending way more interesting.

SOMA is also a short linear horror game. Cyberpunk, is not.

 

[Simuxas]

I don't know if someone posted it and I missed it. But I just finished the Delamain side-quest, and that dude becomes a super AI who lives on the other side of the black-wall. AND he knows you're dying.

Couldn't he legitimately swoop in at the last minute and basically fix V? Outplay Alt and everyone else.

I haven't finished this play-through (and why would I if I die?), but knowing that Del is a digital GOD out there in the ether, and that doesn't affect the story at all seems like wasted material.

If you havn't realized yet, writers specificly wrote the story to massively screw V in every way possible. It's like they had some masochistic fetish or something.

 

[MeinChurro]

I don't know if someone posted it and I missed it. But I just finished the Delamain side-quest, and that dude becomes a super AI who lives on the other side of the black-wall. AND he knows you're dying.

Couldn't he legitimately swoop in at the last minute and basically fix V? Outplay Alt and everyone else.

I haven't finished this play-through (and why would I if I die?), but knowing that Del is a digital GOD out there in the ether, and that doesn't affect the story at all seems like wasted material.

If Delemain swooped in outta nowhere and he did that, and that was our "happy" ending. I wouldn't complain. Del at the rescue yet again!

 

[Cyber.D.G.]

If you havn't realized yet, writers specificly wrote the story to massively screw V in every way possible. It's like they had some masochistic fetish or something.

Yep. They also pushing players to choose "Silverhand gets V's body" ending so hard, that it feels almost disguasting.

 

[Simuxas]

Older Scandinavian cyberpunk enthusiast (as a genre) here and a posthumanist at heart. I truly did love all of the endings (except the quickest one for obvious reasons).

Spoiler: Engrams are people too!

I really do not understand this backlash with the endings and especially the philosophical argument with an engram being different from its original human mind/soul. Just check SOMA and its story to see brilliant writing and discussion about digitalizing humans. Metaphysically I can argue that Silverhand is still himself and only himself, as the original human and its biological mind was destroyed by soulkiller during the copying process (there really is no possibility for two identical persons existing when soulkiller is used, which is kind of an easy way out for the writers). So why would this not apply for V, how is he/she "not himself/herself" when Alt uses soulkiller on him/her? Could it be that the idea of mind uploading is just uncomfortable for many players?

This is what really good scifi is about: making us think outside our current wordviews and moral/ethical standings. A cyberpunk story is not our world with netrunners and cyberware and set some years into the future, it is a fictional world based on our world. When a filthy rich person can pretty much live forever, how many would truly believe in a soul anymore?

I would have loved to see Alts side as well and how the assimilation process would actually change Alt when V with all the other Mikoshi engrams joined to Alt. This would have made the Johnny takes Vs body - ending way more interesting.

Yes the endings with soulkiller would have been good, but the fact that the game still goes "Gonna die in 6 months" was really unnecessary, should have left the endings with question - is it real V or a copy of V, if so, is it actually a human anymore. And the fact that 2 of those endings Rogue one and Aldecado have pretty much the same outcome is kind of lazy.
Attack arasaka, go into mikoshi, get soulkilled then cutscene the end.

 

[LambachRuthven]

So I got to the end and boy I am truly sad to see these garbage endings.

But first things first. My playthrough was as a woman and I emphasized with Johnny every chance I got. That left me with 60% approval, because obviously Johnny can only be "bromanced" otherwise he just thinks you are a suck up. So that left the first sour note in my mouth.
So I allowed Johnny to go in and was shocked by how bad the revelation was delivered, that V has only 6 months to live. This should be the peak moment, but it was a bleak scene in a bleak cyberspace. So I allowed Johnny to take V and then came perhaps the most menaningless ending in a computer RPG I ever encountered and I am playing these since Ultima 6.
I am forced to have a conversation with some random kid I totally not care one bit about his guitar teachings. Wait what? Then Johnny just sits on the bus and leaves Night City.
Credits roll und ALL my friends write to me, that I don't answer my phone. The f* what? You tell me that Johnny - who was there along the ride always - witnessed the story of Judy and my romance with her and he wouldn't even have the decency to just call her and tell her what transpired? To at least give V the props before her friends and lover who just went through hell these past few weeks? Now Judy will think V is alive but just ghosted her and everyone else.
He wouldn't even tell Kerry, just burn all bridges and let V be remembered as some false friend who just ghosted everyone. WHAT? We talked about becoming a legend all the time, but when V dies a heroic death to let him live out HER live. He just decides, that is somethingnot even Vs lover has not the right to know.
Yeah, thanks a lot Johnny. You just are one stupid a*hole talking about morales and decency while having absolutely none of that. I died a hero and nobody ever knew, because the guy that was all about being a legend decides that it is more convenient for him if V doesn't become one.

Second try I go with Panem. I like Panem, but I always hated her ""family" the avocados. Wanted to talk her out of remaining with them, but couldn't because this is no RPG at all. I thought the decision while holding the pills is just who will help me to reach Mikoshi. I felt the avocados are expendable and enough to make a good distraction.
There was NO HINT AT ALL that this is also the decision how I want to spend the rest of my days. It shouldn't be. Just beacause I go in with Johnny, doesn't mean I want to become a legend. And going in with Panem sure as hell doesn't mean I want to become trailer trash and part of a family with the emotional maturity of a bunch of 7 years old. The constant bickering of these fools was unbearable, but the game just shoves this family as something other than a nightmare down my throat: I hated them, every last one of them. I would rather be stuck in Cyberhell for eternity, than to spend one day at their trailer park trash camp.
And after coming back at V I finally get a scene with Judy. Great. Or that I thought because I couldn't even tell her the truth, after all she is been through. Lame romance, lame scene, lame talk, din't touch me at all.

I am a runner who fucking loves the city. I. LOVE. NIGHT. CITY.
I love style. I hate people in their underwear holding a beer while wearing flip flops. Thats why I bought a game called CYBERPUNK.

I don't know why the story tries so hard for us to prefer living with emotional childs on trash heaps in the badlands, then to enjoy snytheic clothes, stlye over substance and chrome and latex in the city?
I date a Night City cop and think he is really cool. Then this cool cop decides to move to the trailer park and become trailer trash. WTF?
Then I date a cool netrunner who produces porn braindances. Cool. Yeah, then she just wants to leave everything and live like a farmgirl. WTF?
Then I help my girl Panem and try to talk her into leaving her kindergarten family and join me in Night City, but no can do.

I played this game to live out my shadowrun fantasy of chrome and synthetic leather. I wanted to live in high style, having visible cyberware and wearing only the coolest clothes. Instead I get bullied into this campfire atmosphere of people living in absoluty dirt and behaving like abused children, always good for a cry.

This CYBERPUNK feeling was very strong hearing the absolute cool combat music while slicing through corporate punks with my Katana. But none of the endings have any of this 'cool to the core' vibe the game itsself has, when you are not in these goddamn badlands.

This game has absolute zero replayability at this point. This nihilistic storytelling is BS and I say that as someone who leads a shadowrun pen & paper campaign now for 21 years in succession with characters who have become goods through more than 10.000h playtime. Nobody wants to get another serving of nothingness. If that is all you have to share, then just don't.
It seemed to me you loved your own setting very much at first and hated it by the time you hammered together these excuses for endings.

This is in no way an RPG, as Assassins Creed has more important decisions. It feels like half of the content is missing. The "romances" are just a joke. They have absolutely zero impact after one short scene.

And to end this rant: I expected this game to be for adults, as was marketed, but it is very harmless and conventional and tries absolutely nothing new. I can not even get naked because ... yeah why?

 

[MeinChurro]

Finally somebody giving some hard criticism on that stupid Nomad ending! @LambachRuthven

Welcome to the club of people who hate these endings!

 

[torsa474]

All the seven ends are really dark and sad. Like really. we need a happy ending.


Edit: What do you think of the alternative endings, all of them are sad, and from what I see that people want at least one a happy one, atleast like a Top secret-Easter Egg, at least to achieve it with legendary clothes and level 50, or at least in extreme hard mode. What would be the best idea to fit?

I think the endings are rushed. I think they had other endings in mind because they did say that they had an interesting way for us to continue after the main story. I mean, it is an interesting way to do it the way they did it, but not interesting in any good way. FFS, that is way to do it!? So I think they had other things in mind, but no time to implement it, at least I hope so.

 

[Froste29]

I don't know if someone posted it and I missed it. But I just finished the Delamain side-quest, and that dude becomes a super AI who lives on the other side of the black-wall. AND he knows you're dying.

Couldn't he legitimately swoop in at the last minute and basically fix V? Outplay Alt and everyone else.

I haven't finished this play-through (and why would I if I die?), but knowing that Del is a digital GOD out there in the ether, and that doesn't affect the story at all seems like wasted material.

I think the Delamain choice was kept in store for a DLC.
Would fit nicely in my idea from earlier that I would dub "AI's vs NetWatch - The Blackwall War"

 

[tRYSIS3]

So, it's like you people didn't actually finish the game.
V doesn't die in every ending, at all.
Some of them he dies, some we're told by characters he will die in six months, and then, like for the aldecaldos, we're also told they will turn up every rock and every contact out there for a solution to v's condition.
If that doesn't spell sequel or dlc to you, i don't know what could.

We are also told by CDPR that they won't "withhold story content for DLC", which would exactly be the case if we got such DLC.

Also, not many players got to the Nomad ending, which was optional, making it even less likely to be canon. Do you really think they are going to discard all the work they did in NC so they can build a DLC based around the Arizona desert?

That is without even considering the fact that there are 3 paths in the game, and it would absolutely make no sense for them to force all players to go into a Nomad storyline.

 

[acakomandos]

I don't know if someone posted it and I missed it. But I just finished the Delamain side-quest, and that dude becomes a super AI who lives on the other side of the black-wall. AND he knows you're dying.

Couldn't he legitimately swoop in at the last minute and basically fix V? Outplay Alt and everyone else.

I haven't finished this play-through (and why would I if I die?), but knowing that Del is a digital GOD out there in the ether, and that doesn't affect the story at all seems like wasted material.

He probably could but hey, we can only and wait for dlc to see if they will save their sorry ass

 

[MeinChurro]

I think the endings are rushed. I think they had other endings in mind because they did say that they had an interesting way for us to continue after the main story. I mean, it is an interesting way to do it the way they did it, but not interesting in any good way. FFS, that is way to do it!? So I think they had other things in mind, but no time to implement it, at least I hope so.

Interesting way my butt! The interesting way is you are copy V now? I guess? And we can't even play after the main story right now. So many lies... or cut content.

 

[acakomandos]

We are also told by CDPR that they won't "withhold story content for DLC", which would exactly be the case if we got such DLC.

Also, not many players got to the Nomad ending, which was optional, making it even less likely to be canon. Do you really think they are going to discard all the work they did in NC so they can build a DLC based around the Arizona desert?

That is without even considering the fact that there are 3 paths in the game, and it would absolutely make no sense for them to force all players to go into a Nomad storyline.

Well they can send players to arisona. Like some random ass dude calls offering solution for a price? Some missons or something