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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 410 45.0%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 84 9.2%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 268 29.4%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 149 16.4%

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AKANexus

Forum regular
#4,841
Dec 21, 2020
AKANexus said:
WTF... Almost 250 pages???? I'm sorry, I can't keep up with the thread to keep doing the summaries... Which is a good thing, though... Means more and more people are pissed with CDPR :shrug:
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In hindsight, it seems people defending the endings always use the same argument - the cyberpunk trope, so nothing new there...
 
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Froste29

Forum regular
#4,842
Dec 21, 2020
SaulTuk said:
The endings are just right, grim and sad as it should be. There can be no lasting happiness in a world, ravaged by capitalism in its pure, predator form. Even the "free" nomads are still the cogs in a system, raiding caravans and smuggling goods, filling the dirty and controversial niche. And yes, carma-wise V deserved death in 6 months. Man who freely chose to make a living through violence usually meets abrupt and violent death before 30s. Part of me were agreed to leave the mortal realm and step into world of digits, if not for Panam and other people, good people. V didn't deserved their love and friendship but is still obliged to respect it.
In the end V, and player too, have to decide, does he still really believes in anything at all in this world, perpetually tormented by animal part of human nature. Friendship, love, brotherhood, family, wealth, power, glory? Or better through all this away and step into new world? Perhaps, in cyberspace, with different laws defining this world, thing could be different?
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All 7 of them should be grimdark and hopeless?

40k Avatar - Oh, nevermind.
 
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Vincent_Black

Fresh user
#4,843
Dec 21, 2020
Hammerstein said:
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Should have gone with that option. Same outcome as the endings.
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It also would have saved me 90+ hours.
 
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MasterAlienhead

Fresh user
#4,844
Dec 21, 2020
OK everyone calm your boots. There are a few happy endings here. Or at least a few potentially happy endings. In more than one ending V does not die. The charecter either ends up in cyberspace or in Mekoshi. Both of these endings have potential to see V return in Future DLC's. Plus it opens the possibility of a whole new charecter creation.
 
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pEestino

pEestino

Forum regular
#4,845
Dec 21, 2020
AKANexus said:
In hindsight, it seems people defending the endings always use the same argument - the cyberpunk trope, so nothing new there...
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Because people don't wanna read 250 pages so they jump to last and say their thing even though it might've been debunked or discussed 20 times over which is fine atleast the thread is bumped for dev visibility :ohstopit:
 
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SaulTuk

Forum regular
#4,846
Dec 21, 2020
pEestino said:
It's a fucked world but we have to consider 2 things:
1) It's a game, lots of people use it to escape reality which is already depressing for some of us, or can be easily, I don't want to have a void in me just because there's no "ok" (not even good, just neutral) ending and I have to wait 11 more years for cp78
2)Sure CP is basically grimdark but it doesn't lack hope, I think nomads have it pretty honestly, if you check the maps, they're hunted by corpos but they're ultimately free and they like dying as free men, I think that's the epitome of hope.
Also it doesn't excuse the fact that there's no neutral ending, like.. Sure, it's dark, depressing et.c etc., it doesn't -HAVE- to be the world is there to provide challenges and it did and challenged morals, I'm still thinking about the whole soulkilling thing and what really makes us humans.
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Yes, nomads are free to roam in badlands, raid and smuggle to survive. They are free to fill the niche in glogal system, no better than mercs or corps, each playing its part.
As for the good ending, there is hope in nomad's one - V will probably find cure. This is hope, flickering as it is
 
Hammerstein

Hammerstein

Forum regular
#4,847
Dec 21, 2020
I imagined the Corpo ending to be completely different from what we got, you can guess what a rude awakening the space station ending was, cause I expected something that would be like this:

You sell out to Arasaka and help Hanako to regain control of the corp. The chip is removed and the neural damage is healed up thanks to cutting edge Arasaka tech. They tell you that they shredded the chip (which should ofc be a lie, they would be fools to shred a valueable prototype with unique data).

You are offered a corner office and Adam Smasher's job, well knowing that you cannot go back to the merc life after selling out to Arasaka. You are now in Takemura's shoes, a honorable man, but duty-bound to an awful corporation. In the background the "rebirth" of Saburo Arasaka is mentioned on tv (it would be even better if you could be there when they feed Yorinobu to Saburo).

Credits roll, while you look at the city from your office window, your friends call and tell you how disappointed they are and that this is not what Jackie would have wanted. You saved your own life, but you betrayed yourself and those around you.
 
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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

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#4,848
Dec 21, 2020
Simuxas said:
A guy that blows up 12k people with nuclear weapon can get a second chance in almost all of the endings, yet someone like V, get's screwed by some fatso and then tries hardest to find a way to survive, deserves to die? In all 7 outcomes?

If the world is dark, doesn't mean that stories in that world needs to end in dark.
If its dark in the room, it doesn't mean that lightbulb went out, it might mean you didn't pay your fkn taxes.
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No argument here, and V does get some hope in nomad enging at least - to find cure
 
Froste29

Froste29

Forum regular
#4,849
Dec 21, 2020
MasterAlienhead said:
OK everyone calm your boots. There are a few happy endings here. Or at least a few potentially happy endings. In more than on ending V does not die. The charecter either ends up in cyberspace or in Mekoshi. Both of these endings have potential to see V return in Future DLC's. Plus it opens the possibility of a whole new charecter creation.
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But every other character you interacted with hates or leaves you, sweet.
 
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pEestino

Forum regular
#4,850
Dec 21, 2020
SaulTuk said:
Yes, nomads are free to roam in badlands, raid and smuggle to survive. They are free to fill the niche in glogal system, no better than mercs or corps, each playing its part.
As for the good ending, there is hope in nomad's one - V will probably find cure. This is hope, flickering as it is
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Yes, people arguements about that is that soulkiller literally killed you and all that.
I don't fully agree with it yet cuz you're basically ctrl+c ctrl+v into yourself but Alt says everything will change (what will???) so people beg the question "Is it V looking for a cure or a really good copycat?" and people want V not some copycat, rogue AI or something of the likes.
Personally I don't mind either because my goal was to live with Panam and the clan and let them live so my goal is achieved.
 
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Simuxas

Senior user
#4,851
Dec 21, 2020
MasterAlienhead said:
OK everyone calm your boots. There are a few happy endings here. Or at least a few potentially happy endings. In more than one ending V does not die. The charecter either ends up in cyberspace or in Mekoshi. Both of these endings have potential to see V return in Future DLC's. Plus it opens the possibility of a whole new charecter creation.
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Wouldn't say happy, more like gray endings, not good not bad. I just hope they keep the voice actors the same. :cry:
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Forum regular
#4,852
Dec 21, 2020
SaulTuk said:
The endings are just right, grim and sad as it should be. There can be no lasting happiness in a world, ravaged by capitalism in its pure, predator form. Even the "free" nomads are still the cogs in a system, raiding caravans and smuggling goods, filling the dirty and controversial niche. And yes, carma-wise V deserved death in 6 months. Man who freely chose to make a living through violence usually meets abrupt and violent death before 30s. Part of me were agreed to leave the mortal realm and step into world of digits, if not for Panam and other people, good people. V didn't deserved their love and friendship but is still obliged to respect it.
In the end V, and player too, have to decide, does he still really believes in anything at all in this world, perpetually tormented by animal part of human nature. Friendship, love, brotherhood, family, wealth, power, glory? Or better through all this away and step into new world? Perhaps, in cyberspace, with different laws defining this world, thing could be different?
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Is the fact that you can't play past the ending also just right? I'm not talking about reloading the save and playing as if you didn't end game, I'm talking about actually playing without going back in time, like any open world game allows you to. Or is that too much to ask?

Maybe the game should have ended after Dex shoots you, to really get that point through? Maybe the game could have also ignored all player input and just played on-rails, just to show how life can't be fair. Also, what about Johnny, does karma only work on V, or is Johnny actually a character more deserving of a happy ending than V?
 
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StarkHelsing

Forum regular
#4,853
Dec 21, 2020
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Basically.
 
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Kikinho

Kikinho

Senior user
#4,854
Dec 21, 2020
Hammerstein said:
I imagined the Corpo ending to be completely different from what we got, you can guess what a rude awakening the space station ending was, cause I expected something that would be like this:

You sell out to Arasaka and help Hanako to regain control of the corp. The chip is removed and the neural damage is healed up thanks to cutting edge Arasaka tech. They tell you that they shredded the chip (which should ofc be a lie, they would be fools to shred a valueable prototype with unique data).

You are offered a corner office and Adam Smasher's job, well knowing that you cannot go back to the merc life after selling out to Arasaka. You are now in Takemura's shoes, a honorable man, but duty-bound to an awful corporation. In the background the "rebirth" of Saburo Arasaka is mentioned on tv (it would be even better if you could be there when they feed Yorinobu to Saburo).

Credits roll, while you look at the city from your office window, your friends call and tell you how disappointed they are and that this is not what Jackie would have wanted. You saved your own life, but you betrayed yourself and those around you.
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I personally don't even consider choosing the Arasak path a betrayal. Non of the other options are guranteed solutions and all involve using the soulkiller. I was already pissed at the scolding i got from Misty and Jhonny on that path. I felt like they were telling me off for wanting to live and get back my original life.
 
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Hammerstein

Forum regular
#4,855
Dec 21, 2020
SaulTuk said:
No argument here, and V does get some hope in nomad enging at least - to find cure
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What hope is there?

1. You are already an engram copy at this point. The V that we started the game as was killed by AI Alt when entering Mikoshi.

2. Do you think that a couple of hicks that live in the badlands have access to knowledge that not even Arasaka or a super powerful AI have?
 
SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Forum regular
#4,856
Dec 21, 2020
StarkHelsing said:
Yeah, but with this, you can't bring up Karma and we deserve to die when the guys we're up against are the bigger fish who've done way more damage than you ever have. So why do we deserve to die but the big bad wolf gets to live? Karma having a laugh? You can do horrible things and yet you can also be human, you can help people in dire need. You can reject gigs that are morally repulsive while doing those that rid the streets of vermin.

Corpo's butcher people for the sake of business and their own gain. Even killing innocents for the sake of 'loose ends' or 'oops, we messed up but let's just say they were smugglers anyway'.

Almost everyone in this world is corrupt in some form or fashion who actually has some sort of substance of character.

Karma doesn't give a damn and if anything you are Karma for the filth you're putting out of commission. Right down to the fact that Karma is dead, like you in the end.
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Dead indeed, ike you, me and everyone. And the concept of justified violence has a long and venerable history. Yes, in this grim world options are usually limited to submit ot repel, violence is the thing we cannot be free of
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#4,857
Dec 21, 2020
Kikinho said:
I personally don't even consider choosing the Arasak path a betrayal. Non of the other options are guranteed solutions and all involve using the soulkiller. I was already pissed at the scolding i got from Misty and Jhonny on that path. I felt like they were telling me off for wanting to live and get back my original life.
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When Misty says "You changed". I went like:
"Bitch, if you had this annoying little cunt in your head for 2 weeks, you would change too"
 
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tRYSIS3

Forum regular
#4,858
Dec 21, 2020
AKANexus said:
In hindsight, it seems people defending the endings always use the same argument - the cyberpunk trope, so nothing new there...
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There is no other way to defend this mess. Maybe looking at the endings from a 289° angle at 3:54 in the morning you can see how happy they actually are.
 
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SidTheUndying

Forum regular
#4,859
Dec 21, 2020
I'd like the answer to why they're like this. Mass Effect fired their writer and had no endind, Destiny fired their writer and had no story, Borderlands 3 changed lead writer and story sucks and makes no sense.

Did CDPR fire the writer mid project? It's not that these endings suck, it's like none of the writing was completed.
 
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pEestino

Forum regular
#4,860
Dec 21, 2020
Hammerstein said:
What hope is there?

1. You are already an engram copy at this point. The V that we started the game as was killed by AI Alt when entering Mikoshi.

2. Do you think that a couple of hicks that live in the badlands have access to knowledge that not even Arasaka or a super powerful AI have?
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The only hope is going to N.U.S.A. as someone stated, Arizona is not N.U.S.A. however..
Maybe cyberpunk 2078 will be basically metro exodus :giveup:
 
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