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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 410 45.0%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 84 9.2%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 268 29.4%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 149 16.4%

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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Forum regular
#4,861
Dec 21, 2020
Hammerstein said:
What hope is there?

1. You are already an engram copy at this point. The V that we started the game as was killed by AI Alt when entering Mikoshi.

2. Do you think that a couple of hicks that live in the badlands have access to knowledge that not even Arasaka or a super powerful AI have?
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Engram, yes. Which leads us to discuss the questions of soul, life and conscience. Very, very old and complicated matters.
 
Kason35

Kason35

Rookie
#4,862
Dec 21, 2020
I don't believe this is the last we going to play as V, I think V will return as a engram put in another body Hanoko or yoriburu because of your great battle skills or on earth or someone will rebuild your body maybe Vik will get help to build u since he has a tight relationship with u
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#4,863
Dec 21, 2020
Kason35 said:
I don't believe this is the last we going to play as V, I think V will return as a engram put in another body Hanoko or yoriburu because of your great battle skills or on earth or someone will rebuild your body maybe Vik will get help to build u since he has a tight relationship with u
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Nobody knows because of all the endings that we got.
 
Alex_Step900

Alex_Step900

Fresh user
#4,864
Dec 21, 2020
Can anyone claim that V will die? It's true they give him six months to live, but some of you saw the ending where V died. That I remember is not there. It is our supposition, taken from the conclusions of the endings, which could correspond to reality as instead V could somehow be saved. Nobody knows for sure.
 
Kikinho

Kikinho

Senior user
#4,865
Dec 21, 2020
Simuxas said:
When Misty says "You changed". I went like:
"Bitch, if you had this annoying little cunt in your head for 2 weeks, you would change too"
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Yeah, but to be honest, the way I roleplayed V throughout the story, I didn't even feel like that comment from her was justified. I was literally playing the game with the same goal from the getgo.
 
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pEestino

pEestino

Forum regular
#4,866
Dec 21, 2020
SidTheUndying said:
I'd like the answer to why they're like this. Mass Effect fired their writer and had no endind, Destiny fired their writer and had no story, Borderlands 3 changed lead writer and story sucks and makes no sense.

Did CDPR fire the writer mid project? It's not that these endings suck, it's like none of the writing was completed.
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If Alt hadn't zapped you and if she didn't say "Everything will change" or even "You will live" omitting 6 months, it would've been a happy ending.
Instead I think they left an open ending giving us hope except.. Arasaka themselves can't help you (or won't?) so there's really not much hope other than another global superpower..
 
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TokyoSatsu

Fresh user
#4,867
Dec 21, 2020
Hammerstein said:
At least in Mass Effect you can play 1+2 and ignore that 3 exists.
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Very true. Sadly no option here.
 
Kikinho

Kikinho

Senior user
#4,868
Dec 21, 2020
Alex_Step900 said:
Can anyone claim that V will die? It's true they give him six months to live, but some of you saw the ending where V died. That I remember is not there. It is our supposition, taken from the conclusions of the endings, which could correspond to reality as instead V could somehow be saved. Nobody knows for sure.
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When you are being told that you will die after exhausting every option the game offers you, the news of 6 month feels pretty terminal.
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#4,869
Dec 21, 2020
Kikinho said:
Yeah, but to be honest, the way I roleplayed V throughout the story, I didn't even feel like that comment from her was justified. I was literally playing the game with the same goal from the getgo.
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Misty: "Do whatever it takes to survive"
V: *does whatever it takes*
Misty: "Ew, you changed"
V:
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Forum regular
#4,870
Dec 21, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
Is the fact that you can't play past the ending also just right? I'm not talking about reloading the save and playing as if you didn't end game, I'm talking about actually playing without going back in time, like any open world game allows you to. Or is that too much to ask?

Maybe the game should have ended after Dex shoots you, to really get that point through? Maybe the game could have also ignored all player input and just played on-rails, just to show how life can't be fair. Also, what about Johnny, does karma only work on V, or is Johnny actually a character more deserving of a happy ending than V?
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My questions ignored, they must be really too difficult to answer :coolstory:
 
pEestino

pEestino

Forum regular
#4,871
Dec 21, 2020
TokyoSatsu said:
Very true. Sadly no option here.
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We can play CP78 and pretend 77 didn't exist.. Oh wait, if V dies that's basically the case anyway. :cry:
 
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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Forum regular
#4,872
Dec 21, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
Is the fact that you can't play past the ending also just right? I'm not talking about reloading the save and playing as if you didn't end game, I'm talking about actually playing without going back in time, like any open world game allows you to. Or is that too much to ask?

Maybe the game should have ended after Dex shoots you, to really get that point through? Maybe the game could have also ignored all player input and just played on-rails, just to show how life can't be fair. Also, what about Johnny, does karma only work on V, or is Johnny actually a character more deserving of a happy ending than V?
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Frankly speaking, i for myself wouldn't mind play after endings too, this can be easily explained plot-wise almost in every ending.
 
Kikinho

Kikinho

Senior user
#4,873
Dec 21, 2020
Simuxas said:
Misty: "Do whatever it takes to survive"
V: *does whatever it takes*
Misty: "Ew, you changed"
V:
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Exactly this! lol
 
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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Forum regular
#4,874
Dec 21, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
My questions ignored, they must be really too difficult to answer :coolstory:
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Sorry, too slow to react in time with your responce threshold(
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#4,875
Dec 21, 2020
SaulTuk said:
Sorry, too slow to react in time with your responce threshold(
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I mean the DLC where V goes on some kind of adventure to find out if it's really V or a soulless copy would be cool setting.
 
pEestino

pEestino

Forum regular
#4,876
Dec 21, 2020
Simuxas said:
I mean the DLC where V goes on some kind of adventure to find out if it's really V or a soulless copy would be cool setting.
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If you think about it rogue AI are basically sentient and they exist beyond the blackwall, going on an acid trip and finding out who he really is would be a cool plot, if he is a copy maybe there's a way to fix, probably not but w/e.
Also if you think about it, technically speaking V is not really V either because the nanites changed his DNA and is compared to radiation sickness kind of DNA changes.. :giveup:
 
Hammerstein

Hammerstein

Forum regular
#4,877
Dec 21, 2020
SaulTuk said:
Engram, yes. Which leads us to discuss the questions of soul, life and conscience. Very, very old and complicated matters.
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It's not even about that, but about a continued existence.

If there are 2 SaulTuks, and one of them has his brain wiped. Would he feel better about it, knowing that there is a copy of him?
 
General_Sharkseant

General_Sharkseant

Fresh user
#4,878
Dec 21, 2020
pEestino said:
It's a fucked world but we have to consider 2 things:
1) It's a game, lots of people use it to escape reality which is already depressing for some of us, or can be easily, I don't want to have a void in me just because there's no "ok" (not even good, just neutral) ending and I have to wait 11 more years for cp78
2)Sure CP is basically grimdark but it doesn't lack hope, I think nomads have it pretty honestly, if you check the maps, they're hunted by corpos but they're ultimately free and they like dying as free men, I think that's the epitome of hope.
Also it doesn't excuse the fact that there's no neutral ending, like.. Sure, it's dark, depressing et.c etc., it doesn't -HAVE- to be the world is there to provide challenges and it did and challenged morals, I'm still thinking about the whole soulkilling thing and what really makes us humans.
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esspecially in grimdark fiction the part of hope is most important it might be a situation without hope and you might only be a single person fighting against a galaxy but eventhough everything is dark there is light there might onyl be little bits but as darker the darknis rises the light will burn even clearer even if it is only a wery dark light just a grey or a very small but very bright light it is hope.

v's story has no hope he hopes at first to become a legend of night city okay that is a good goal if we keep that we could have an ending where V A: gets happy B: fails but becomes a good person. C: succeeds but becomes a something terrible. this would be a story about greed and eager and staying true to yourself but that doesnt happen it is only the open up for v to try to survive, now the endings are a bit different: A: V survives everything else is fine he may also get successfull. B: V ignores this goal and archieves something else but is killed in the end by ignoring this threat. C: V survives but at the cost of something liek his humanity etc. 2. V survives but has grown through the experince and might no more strive for his previous goal due to charakter development.

so these are endings one might enjoy if your journey ends in sadness and depression then it needs to be your fault. there also can be grey endings in which you partially succeed or grow etc. for an example in cyberpunk 2077 it would make sense to have an ending with V to early on allign yourself with some parts of arasaka like yorinobu but for them top remove the chip you need to kill some people they find annoying. here it could be: takemura as he is loyal to the old one haneako when her fathers engram advises her to remove yurinobu or the engramm itself also smasher might rather chose the engramm then the young one as he sees there more likely a success in the end you get the chip removed and get your own full borg suit you are now the something you archieved to survive and became a legend but you are now no longer free and might need to treason your old allies maybe jackie survives somehow in this timeline and you have to kill him or some of his old friends try to revenge him or the ripperdoc of the start trys to convicen you to abbondon this way also jonny will still be in your head so he will try to convince you and atleast in some missions might also become a friend of yours but in the end when the chip si removed to survive and not be killed by arasaka you also will have to kill him it isnt happy but all bad you caused was your own fault maybe like in our arasaka ending johnny also stays in your head, somewhat, so he will telly ou what a bad person you are.
 
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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Forum regular
#4,879
Dec 21, 2020
Simuxas said:
I mean the DLC where V goes on some kind of adventure to find out if it's really V or a soulless copy would be cool setting.
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Viable option indeed, but in my opinion this doesn't matter. That could sound crazy and lame, but according to my head-canon engram (in body or in cyberspace) could be just as good residence for a soul. So no V, no Alt are not dead, and to truly die and go in proper afterlife (or lack of it) they must be somehow die - engram snaps and soul goes to afterlife.
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Forum regular
#4,880
Dec 21, 2020
Kason35 said:
I don't believe this is the last we going to play as V, I think V will return as a engram put in another body Hanoko or yoriburu because of your great battle skills or on earth or someone will rebuild your body maybe Vik will get help to build u since he has a tight relationship with u
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We don't need to imagine how events are going to conclude, only the suicide option gives a definitive answer (not really since you don't even see V shooting themselves).

Inception's ending is open, but it doesn't leave you wanting a sequel to explain things, because it's a satisfying ending. Not one single ending in Cyberpunk is satisfying.
 
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