V and Jackie didnt kill Saburo. His son did in front of them,while they where hidden
V and Jackie didnt kill Saburo. His son did in front of them,while they where hidden
The game fundamentally seems
Your point with NUSA holds merit, but remember in the convo that the NUSA agent heavily implies again and again that we are crazy for thinking of doing this, suggesting that WE came up with the plan, and NUSA just appears to be tagging along for their own benefit. Either way, there's not enough intel here to suggest either mindset
Either way you're forced to die yes, but you can choose to decide if your V is truly scared of death at the expense of a life or give it up for a permanent life (so far).
Your point with NUSA holds merit, but remember in the convo that the NUSA agent heavily implies again and again that we are crazy for thinking of doing this, suggesting that WE came up with the plan, and NUSA just appears to be tagging along for their own benefit. Either way, there's not enough intel here to suggest either mindset
yep like survival and love, for me the 2 most important. don´t need to change the world. There is people who survive and find their love, living with them, even in dark worlds. I mean just check reality. Our world darkens more and more I think and there is still such things in it.
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Making a choice between (drowning or getting burned alive) is not a choice anyone should be forced to make. And drowning with Panam and Judy by your side doesn't make it better.
Regarding Barginmart Illusive Man (Mr Blue Eyes) - this is the interesting part. You have six months to live, you're already a living Legend, you can't get any higher than you have. But you are still on a six-month timer. Now, this isn't a scenario of 'Go out with a bang' for me. It's I have nothing to lose and everything to gain situation. V has their wealth, their riches - but a small amount of time to use it and enjoy it. Now they can die during that mission, for which they would have died later anyway, or go along with the plan and work with the NUSA that may have the cure to their woes.
But yes, I suppose it can be argued that your V changes their tone on how they feel about death. But if so it still implies that we're given the illusion of choice rather than the real deal.
Who says so? as far as I'm concerned my V is still stuck behind the point or no return, getting "relic malfunction" alerts, and coughing blood every few minutes.
Honestly if I knew I had no choice, if CDPR was honest and said this is linear game with some optional dialouges it would be fine. I would not spend time making my V, I would just press radnom looks and play. Same as dont give a shit about GTA V story, and I cant remember any misson. If some of the caracters had to die in gta it would be sad but I would forgot that in like 5 days. Even in gta a game full of criminal, corporate money,gangs you are given option to kill or go hard route and save them. And here, where you create V, where you invest time in YOUR V, her strenght, her abilites, her romance, or better said "yours" its just stupid not to give option that might indicate V living. Like if they said you might die fine, we would wait for dlc to see story to the end. I imagined myself and chose every option as I would not by some guide to get something. And after all I did only what I got is what? Life isnt fair, life is miserable, you are young and you didnt manage to do anything. Now go ahead and die thank you. It is not okay in "RPG" to go down this road. If someone is happy with dark ending, I am glad for you, if you see statisfaction in V dying great for you. I am glad you are happy. BUT I still think it should be optional if someone wants, no matter how hard it is to get a happier ending.
To me this end(all 7 of them) seems unfinished. It just seem like half of the game is missing. Like if you choose correct path(
not killing your self or I dunno) game should continue. This feels unfinished. Too many open questions
To me this end(all 7 of them) seems unfinished. It just seem like half of the game is missing. Like if you choose correct path(
not killing your self or I dunno) game should continue. This feels unfinished. Too many open questions
Casual reminder that if you're a street kid, you try to escape the city to have a better life, but it doesn't work out. You come back home just to die.
I'm sad now. Street kid, V didn't even have a chance. The canon start with these endings is just so depressing.
I'm sad now. Street kid, V didn't even have a chance. The canon start with these endings is just so depressing.
Nomad path is also very sad. You begin after you left your family,get only one true frend, loose him, find other family with other nomad etc. And you just die,you also here dont have a chance. Maybe at corpo path, you start rich, become poor, and then rich again...but again die. I see no point in replaying this game
Yeah, game is currently at a dead point (pun intended). That's just frustrating.
Can achieve, and can fail, both possibilities are viable and to be expected.
Yeah, one can only imagine how this game would look like if was really finished. With working mechanics, like Empathy meter (based on your implants number and choices), Johny-meter (progression of his personality infusion into yours), etc. Instead of false sense of urgency CD could give us working mechanics and options to tweak this meters via quests, choices and stuff. For example, V is walking cyborg, humiliating even Smasher in terms of raw combat capacities, but because of it and treating other people as meatbags he turns into more machine than a man (twisted and evil), see no reason in returning in his body and joins Alt in the end. And if he had high johny-meter, he would get 6 months problem, solidifying his choice to join Alt in cyberspace.
But with high Empathy and low johny-meter Alt separates him without any lasting issue to V's health, and he goes back in his body. Something like that
Dumb endings.
All of them.
Just a matter of how dumb they are, and why CDPR did completely miss the trans-humanist point.
The whole story is about two minds for one body. How they go along together, and this part is a real success. The narration is great, the voice acting very good, in the main story or in the secondary characters' arcs.
And then comes the last mission and all fall down.
- Suicide
OK. Why not. Dark and desperate ending.
You don't want to have your friends suffer for you. Well, why not ?
- Side with Arasaka
Just plain nonsense. The first thing Arasaka will do when you have played your part is brainwipe you (and Johnny) and dump you in a landfill, for good this time. Why should they even care for a zero like V. ?
- Side with the Nomads
The least "bad" ending. Remind of some western with the hero riding away in the setting sun. Some open ending.
- Side with Johnny
O'Rly ? 3 gonks trying to storm Arasaka tower ? Are they Wonder Woman, The Hulk and Superman ? If not, just forget about it without your own personal army.
But OK, CDPR, your choice to downgrade what you present as the bogeyman of the Cyberpunk world to cannon fodders for some long gone glorified "heroes".
Is the space cinematics a prelude for some DLC, or is it the most expensive way to commit suicide ever ?
- The "hidden end"
As above, but more laughable. The one man army complex blah blah blah...
But more to come : the part when Alt drops her bombs : V.'s dying and shall be gone in 6 months.
This point is unnecessary and unfair (Yeah, life's unfair, I know) and out of narrative. The Relic was killing (erasing) V. Now, V.'s body is eating at itself ? Seriously ?
That's plain bullshit and the only purpose is to force a choice between V and Johnny.
Soooo, we have two minds, which are both already copied by Alt in some Net pocket, which are discussing about which one will remain in that body for the next 6 months, then disappear for ever.
And that is pathetic.
Should they argue about the next tens of years, fine. But 6 months ? No way. And where is the obvious solution of them remaining both at Alt's side, in the net ? For those not following, both Johnny and V. are, at this point, engrams, copies (and nothing says that they do not remain that way, no matter the choice the player make).
Funny how a game named Cyberpunk forget Neuromancer, in which the AIs keep the imprint of most of the characters, dead or living. There is no need for a soul nor for some godlike figure. Characters are offered redemption and peace in the netspace, so becoming legends. But no. You stay and you die merging with Alt. You return to meatspace and you die there in 6 months.
I enjoyed the ending of the Witcher, even the "bad" one because they fit with the world and the character of Geralt.
I do not enjoy the endings of Cyberpunk because they fit neither the world, nor the characters. That's a pity since the narrative is mostly very good.
On a side note, endings should not be decided only in the last mission. Choices made during the game should have an influence on them.
All of them.
Just a matter of how dumb they are, and why CDPR did completely miss the trans-humanist point.
The whole story is about two minds for one body. How they go along together, and this part is a real success. The narration is great, the voice acting very good, in the main story or in the secondary characters' arcs.
And then comes the last mission and all fall down.
- Suicide
OK. Why not. Dark and desperate ending.
You don't want to have your friends suffer for you. Well, why not ?
- Side with Arasaka
Just plain nonsense. The first thing Arasaka will do when you have played your part is brainwipe you (and Johnny) and dump you in a landfill, for good this time. Why should they even care for a zero like V. ?
- Side with the Nomads
The least "bad" ending. Remind of some western with the hero riding away in the setting sun. Some open ending.
- Side with Johnny
O'Rly ? 3 gonks trying to storm Arasaka tower ? Are they Wonder Woman, The Hulk and Superman ? If not, just forget about it without your own personal army.
But OK, CDPR, your choice to downgrade what you present as the bogeyman of the Cyberpunk world to cannon fodders for some long gone glorified "heroes".
Is the space cinematics a prelude for some DLC, or is it the most expensive way to commit suicide ever ?
- The "hidden end"
As above, but more laughable. The one man army complex blah blah blah...
But more to come : the part when Alt drops her bombs : V.'s dying and shall be gone in 6 months.
This point is unnecessary and unfair (Yeah, life's unfair, I know) and out of narrative. The Relic was killing (erasing) V. Now, V.'s body is eating at itself ? Seriously ?
That's plain bullshit and the only purpose is to force a choice between V and Johnny.
Soooo, we have two minds, which are both already copied by Alt in some Net pocket, which are discussing about which one will remain in that body for the next 6 months, then disappear for ever.
And that is pathetic.
Should they argue about the next tens of years, fine. But 6 months ? No way. And where is the obvious solution of them remaining both at Alt's side, in the net ? For those not following, both Johnny and V. are, at this point, engrams, copies (and nothing says that they do not remain that way, no matter the choice the player make).
Funny how a game named Cyberpunk forget Neuromancer, in which the AIs keep the imprint of most of the characters, dead or living. There is no need for a soul nor for some godlike figure. Characters are offered redemption and peace in the netspace, so becoming legends. But no. You stay and you die merging with Alt. You return to meatspace and you die there in 6 months.
I enjoyed the ending of the Witcher, even the "bad" one because they fit with the world and the character of Geralt.
I do not enjoy the endings of Cyberpunk because they fit neither the world, nor the characters. That's a pity since the narrative is mostly very good.
On a side note, endings should not be decided only in the last mission. Choices made during the game should have an influence on them.
Yeah, I mean ... do you watch lots of series? Dunno, Vikings, Gotham or something...because this ending here feels a lot like mid season finale.
You have like - Saburo taking back his body and one would imagine THIS is now where the endgame portion would start or something...or in games it is the point where the hero looks like shit, all seems lost. The evil emperor has won and gloats and throws you into the dungeon...
And then you get the second chance with noone really expecting it in-universe...
Ah well...
I don't think the arguement that V is a nobody stands it's ground at all. By the end of the story V is literally one of the best mercs/very dangerous individual. Even Hanako realises that by offering you a job.
V is a power fantasy character.
V is a power fantasy character.
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Yeah, the endings just shouldn't be the endings but a turning point of another act to come.
Yeah, a power fantasy character that is basically made to die.
And not because of your own choices. You're basically killed by a cutscene.
Well, it's only V who's gonna be dying in 6 months. Johnny has no such issue if he gets the body (which was the main reason why i sided with him and with whole secret ending. Better only V's engram (which, again, was a stupid plot thing), than her body AND a ton of friends which are lost along the raid).