[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[kittinaa]

I saw someone quote CDPR saying "You can't save the world, but you can save yourself" but it turns out you can't even do that. I so badly wanted a deeper romance with Judy but after her and I fucked it was like "well, that's that. I'm your girlfriend now but I won't ever text you Hi again".

Look, i dont wanna be rude but... what were you expecting from a depressed lesbian? a "not toxic" relation? (Actually i dislike Judy so much, that i just kill my female V just to see her suffering and crying...) If you pay attention to Judy story with male V and hear the dialogs from Johnny, you will see that Johnny also dislike her.

If you ask me, is better being male hetero V and romance with Panam, you call her, she always tells you she misses you.

Also she's a warrior.

If you think about it, from all the endings (i did all of them) she is the only one that really cares abour V...she is willing to sacrifice everything (even her own family) to save V.
From all others, (except johnny of course), dont give a d4mn about V, they are only there to ask you stuff, and gigs. Its the true love bro, the real one, all the game worh it playing for me just because of Panam.
Sad when you do the Johnny path, the one that Rogue dies, and the secret one where nobody dies, you end up with everything, but Panam is like... dissapointed, and she is right actually. Because is true love, and giving up for being the king of NC doesnt impress her at all.

About Goro, I like also Goro, but he is just a ronin, i saved him, followed all his path, till the end, and all he offers is a "real food" if you "ever" leave the space station.
I excpected much much more from him, i am very dissapointed, after all V did for Goro, saved his friend Oda, saved all Arasaka, saved Hanako.... what else does he need to be loyal and understand frienship? is pointless...

 

[NoKarma_Kaizen]

Not happy with any of the endings. I have to agree that it makes the entire game feel pointless. Just let him be dead at the end of the 1st mission or make it a revenge story and don't dangle a fake carrot that your character can be saved. It feels hollow and useless.

What about a new game plus/keys to the city mode so I can just play and not have this ultra depressing shit hanging over me the entire game. I don't think I can come back to this one at all. There is enough depressing shit going on.

 

[Froste29]

Look, i dont wanna be rude but... what were you expecting from a depressed lesbian? a "not toxic" relation? (Actually i dislike Judy so much, that i just kill my female V just to see her suffering and crying...) If you pay attention to Judy story with male V and hear the dialogs from Johnny, you will see that Johnny also dislike her.

If you ask me, is better being male hetero V and romance with Panam, you call her, she always tells you she misses you.

Also she's a warrior.

If you think about it, from all the endings (i did all of them) she is the only one that really cares abour V...she is willing to sacrifice everything (even her own family) to save V.
From all others, (except johnny of course), dont give a d4mn about V, they are only there to ask you stuff, and gigs. Its the true love bro, the real one, all the game worh it playing for me just because of Panam.
Sad when you do the Johnny path, the one that Rogue dies, and the secret one where nobody dies, you end up with everything, but Panam is like... dissapointed, and she is right actually. Because is true love, and giving up for being the king of NC doesnt impress her at all.

About Goro, I like also Goro, but he is just a ronin, i saved him, followed all his path, till the end, and all he offers is a "real food" if you "ever" leave the space station.
I excpected much much more from him, i am very dissapointed, after all V did for Goro, saved his friend Oda, saved all Arasaka, saved Hanako.... what else does he need to be loyal and understand frienship? is pointless...

I do not think that Judy being a lesbian is a factor in this.
Let alone that sentence about the suicide ending...jesus.
I couldn't take anything afterwards seriously, sorry.
If you want to share your sadistic fantasies this is not the place.
Just makes you look like a jerk.

 

[jahkin]

Look, i dont wanna be rude but... what were you expecting from a depressed lesbian? a "not toxic" relation? (Actually i dislike Judy so much, that i just kill my female V just to see her suffering and crying...) If you pay attention to Judy story with male V and hear the dialogs from Johnny, you will see that Johnny also dislike her.

If you ask me, is better being male hetero V and romance with Panam, you call her, she always tells you she misses you.

Also she's a warrior.

If you think about it, from all the endings (i did all of them) she is the only one that really cares abour V...she is willing to sacrifice everything (even her own family) to save V.
From all others, (except johnny of course), dont give a d4mn about V, they are only there to ask you stuff, and gigs. Its the true love bro, the real one, all the game worh it playing for me just because of Panam.
Sad when you do the Johnny path, the one that Rogue dies, and the secret one where nobody dies, you end up with everything, but Panam is like... dissapointed, and she is right actually. Because is true love, and giving up for being the king of NC doesnt impress her at all.

About Goro, I like also Goro, but he is just a ronin, i saved him, followed all his path, till the end, and all he offers is a "real food" if you "ever" leave the space station.
I excpected much much more from him, i am very dissapointed, after all V did for Goro, saved his friend Oda, saved all Arasaka, saved Hanako.... what else does he need to be loyal and understand frienship? is pointless...

Ahh yes, Panam "I hate Saul, Saul witness me, its all Sauls fault" Palmer...

Nah, liked her, but she got on my nerves as well a little. I can see why many would prefer her over Judy, but to me, she is only second fiddle in regards to interestinc characters. She was a little too ... annoying with her constant wishy washy stance on her nomad heritage

Of course, that she just drove into her partners base like a stupid moron and got me killed several times until I found a good way to deal with all of those wraiths didn't help her to entice me...

 

[Froste29]

Back on topic, a Youtuber i watched pointed out that you can find a shard of the Illiad in the tent you visit in the nomad ending.

There it basically says "To find happiness one has to leave the city and return home".
That sounds promising if it wasn't put there to mock you.

 

[Simuxas]

Back on topic, a Youtuber i watched pointed out that you can find a shard of the Illiad in the tent you visit in the nomad ending.

There it basically says "To find happiness one has to leave the city and return home".
That sounds promising if it wasn't put there to mock you.

Like many other shards/messages or side quests, they all mock us

 

[tRYSIS3]

My biggest issue is how incomplete the game feels, 47 hours shouldn't be the time it takes to complete an RPG of this magnitude. The endings feel like they should have been the midpoint of the game and not the final point, or that they were put in because of time restrictions. They do not feel logical to me, my V would have never wanted to side with Alt or Arasaka, there had to be other options.

If we're talking dlc I would have rather preferred to have the option to kill Dex, I really wanted to, but it wasn't an option (even though it was shown in one of the trailers). That option would have resulted in a much different story, one that is much more enjoyable dare I say (not playing as a cancer patient). The fact that they still haven't removed this gimmick/sickness, is pretty much the reason why most of us are here. If they wanted to create a sense of urgency they could have found a million better ways to do so.

 

[Simuxas]

My biggest issue is how incomplete the game feels, 47 hours shouldn't be the time it takes to complete an RPG of this magnitude. The endings feel like they should have been the midpoint of the game and not the final point, or that they were put in because of time restrictions. They do not feel logical to me, my V would have never wanted to side with Alt or Arasaka, there had to be other options.

If we're talking dlc I would have rather preferred to have the option to kill Dex, I really wanted to, but it wasn't an option (even though it was shown in one of the trailers). That option would have resulted in a much different story, one that is much more enjoyable dare I say (not playing as a cancer patient). The fact that they still haven't removed this gimmick/sickness, is pretty much the reason why most of us are here. If they wanted to create a sense of urgency they could have found a million better ways to do so.

Sure there are, but this could have worked if game had incorporated mechanics that could fix that fake sense of urgency .

 

[tRYSIS3]

Look, i dont wanna be rude but... what were you expecting from a depressed lesbian? a "not toxic" relation? (Actually i dislike Judy so much, that i just kill my female V just to see her suffering and crying...) If you pay attention to Judy story with male V and hear the dialogs from Johnny, you will see that Johnny also dislike her.

If you ask me, is better being male hetero V and romance with Panam, you call her, she always tells you she misses you.

Also she's a warrior.

If you think about it, from all the endings (i did all of them) she is the only one that really cares abour V...she is willing to sacrifice everything (even her own family) to save V.
From all others, (except johnny of course), dont give a d4mn about V, they are only there to ask you stuff, and gigs. Its the true love bro, the real one, all the game worh it playing for me just because of Panam.
Sad when you do the Johnny path, the one that Rogue dies, and the secret one where nobody dies, you end up with everything, but Panam is like... dissapointed, and she is right actually. Because is true love, and giving up for being the king of NC doesnt impress her at all.

About Goro, I like also Goro, but he is just a ronin, i saved him, followed all his path, till the end, and all he offers is a "real food" if you "ever" leave the space station.
I excpected much much more from him, i am very dissapointed, after all V did for Goro, saved his friend Oda, saved all Arasaka, saved Hanako.... what else does he need to be loyal and understand frienship? is pointless...

This is an action adventure game not a dating simulator. What if someone wants to make their own decisions, not based on what they think a fictional character thinks of them. Why shouldn't that be an option?

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Sure there are, but this could have worked if game had incorporated mechanics that could fix that fake sense of urgency .

Could you imagine if in rdr2 you had to play as Arthur Morgan trying to find a cure to an illness he had, but in the end you find nothing, and die? Who actually thought this is was a good idea for a story, lmao

Cdpr are lucky most people are too distracted by the bugs, to see the story for how it is

 

[jahkin]

Sure there are, but this could have worked if game had incorporated mechanics that could fix that fake sense of urgency .

That fake sense of urgency is a staple of almost every big RPG though...either it is an invasion or something like this here. Or your beloved Stepdaughter got missing and is threatened to be abducted as breeding machine for elder beings, and you still dawdle around a war-torn nomandsland killing supernatural pests for some coin...

 

[Simuxas]

This is an action adventure game not a dating simulator. What if someone wants to make their own decisions, not based on what they think a fictional character thinks of them. Why shouldn't that be an option?

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Could you imagine if in rdr2 you had to play as Arthur Morgan trying to find a cure to an illness he had, but in the end you find nothing, and die? Who actually thought this is was a good idea for a story, lmao

Cdpr are lucky most people are too distracted by the bugs, to see the story for how it is

Well yeah, probably woyld have sucked. But difference is RDR2 is linear game. And the fact that Arthur knows that there is no cure, he accepts it and tries to fix his mistakes or still end up like a outlaw jerk, which is funny enoguh, up to players choice.

 

[cyths]

Cdpr are lucky most people are too distracted by the bugs, to see the story for how it is

Or they haven't seen the ends yet. I looked over all these flaws until they killed all with the end.

 

[Simuxas]

That fake sense of urgency is a staple of almost every big RPG though...either it is an invasion or something like this here. Or your beloved Stepdaughter got missing and is threatened to be abducted as breeding machine for elder beings, and you still dawdle around a war-torn nomandsland killing supernatural pests for some coin...

Wouldn't say a staple, but in other RPGs the sense of urgency isnt directed towards MC survival.

 

[kittinaa]

This is an action adventure game not a dating simulator. What if someone wants to make their own decisions, not based on what they think a fictional character thinks of them. Why shouldn't that be an option?

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Could you imagine if in rdr2 you had to play as Arthur trying to find a cure to an illness, but in the end you found nothing, and died? Who actually thought this is was a good idea for a story, lmao

Cdpr are lucky most people are too distracted by the bugs, to see the story for how it is

I have to agree with you. Like yourself (i guess) i didnt played the game as a dating simulator. Still i enjoyed dating with Panam, i bring all this, and i will tell you why (if you care to read):

Spoiler: Why i bring the Panam romantic relation

My first gameplay experience was excelent (played as female V). So, because of the trailers, and all that, i knew you could romance wiith Judy, but i didnt like her from the first moment i saw her (for a lot of things i will not say here because they will ban me, plain and simple) but i bet you know what i mean.
I got trapped with Panam the first moment i saw her, being rebel, being all the time mad, but still helping everyone and taking care of everyone. So, she was the star of my first gameplay, i enjoyed the whole path with her and all interactions, counting the moments to her for calling me again and asking me for another quest, of course i finished becoming a nomad with her on my first gameplay.

Actually i fell so much with her, that i started all again because Panam rejects you if you are female, because she is hetero, so i made a whole new male V and date with her, finnaly.

Yet, dont get me wrong, i am not saying that i like the game because it let you romance Panam, i am saying her character is well made, or at least fits with me, thats the point of the game (i think) find your way on NC and seek those who you feel identified with, or who you like.

I didnt like Jackie also, i just tried to skip all that storyline as fast as i could, because i didnt like him at all as a partner, i like best Takamura as partner, he has principles.

I finished the game, all the endings, all the side gigs (all of them, even those i didnt like).
And yes... even the boring Judy story underwater.

I did enjoyed the politic one that is paranoid, that one was deep, i did enjoyed it a lot.
And of course all the takamura interactions, sad in the end i didnt felt that takamura felt some kind of friendship with V, but he do feels respect.

And i also agree with you in your another post.
There is not much of RPG/open world in CP, i have to agree with you that is only an action adventure game...
still i enjoyed it, but.. if you ask me, it doesnt worth the money i paid for the game, thats for sure.

 

[tRYSIS3]

That fake sense of urgency is a staple of almost every big RPG though...either it is an invasion or something like this here. Or your beloved Stepdaughter got missing and is threatened to be abducted as breeding machine for elder beings, and you still dawdle around a war-torn nomandsland killing supernatural pests for some coin...

The sense of urgency is not an issue, it's the fact there is no resolution. But actually there is one (V dies), but they were too afraid to commit to it so they added the 6 months crap.

The endings we got would essentially be similar to a case where the witcher ends with you not finding Ciri, and then getting killed. Could you imagine the backlash.

 

[jahkin]

Wouldn't say a staple, but in other RPGs the sense of urgency isnt directed towards MC survival.

True. Though maybe the first Dragon Age, to some less degree than here...

But overall, I have less gripes with the sense of urgency, or lack thereof. I am just too used to postpone the main-quest and have the Dark Lords and Villains wait patiently until I returned all sheep to the farmers etc.

What baffles me more about this is that the whole "Johnny taking over V's body" isn't more part of the gameplay/choices. And tied to the endings you could achieve.

For example, it should ahve been the player at various points in the game to decide how much do they want Johnny to take over. Could be both like in the game, Johnny trying a charme-offensive to convince V to let her go a little so he can help. Or even a gameplay-element - letting Johnny take over gives you for a short time super-reflexes, more damage, something like that - but it comes all at the price of V slowly more and more losing herself and giving her body to Johnny.

But if you deny all this, reject johnny etc., of course it would lead to him becoming more angry, more annoying, more demanding, as now Johnny starts to feel afraid of dying (again)

Could have made for some nice dynamics, even more than we already have. And also fornice possible endings, depinding on how much you embraced or rejected Johnny and his influence.

Fully embraced him, you are no longer V towards the end, doing the last blaze of glory stuff it to Arasaka ending, somewhere in the middle you still have lost so much of yourself that you are no longer V, but a crude almost schizo mix of Johnny and V, but no blaze of glory ending, more the "I do not care anymore about my friends and loved ones, only about myself and being a top merc-ending"

Or you were a self-serving asshole to johnny consistently - and you stay yourself as Johnny's engram cannot manifest fully in your brain and gets rejected by your will, your disdain for him like antibodies. You end alive and V, but with not much more than your friends and empty wallet back on swuare one before the heist (and lots of enemies too!)

I could have lived with such a gameplay. And I think CD red could have laid a nice trap this way, for the typical RPG players like myself who always try to help others, like even Johnny ... can't be bad letting him have a date with his Ex at least once, hm...oh, ...damn...

alas, we have what we have...

 

[tRYSIS3]

I have to agree with you. Like yourself (i guess) i didnt played the game as a dating simulator. Still i enjoyed dating with Panam, i bring all this, and i will tell you why (if you care to read):

Spoiler: Why i bring the Panam romantic relation

My first gameplay experience was excelent (played as female V). So, because of the trailers, and all that, i knew you could romance wiith Judy, but i didnt like her from the first moment i saw her (for a lot of things i will not say here because they will ban me, plain and simple) but i bet you know what i mean.
I got trapped with Panam the first moment i saw her, being rebel, being all the time mad, but still helping everyone and taking care of everyone. So, she was the star of my first gameplay, i enjoyed the whole path with her and all interactions, counting the moments to her for calling me again and asking me for another quest, of course i finished becoming a nomad with her on my first gameplay.

Actually i fell so much with her, that i started all again because Panam rejects you if you are female, because she is hetero, so i made a whole new male V and date with her, finnaly.

Yet, dont get me wrong, i am not saying that i like the game because it let you romance Panam, i am saying her character is well made, or at least fits with me, thats the point of the game (i think) find your way on NC and seek those who you feel identified with, or who you like.

I didnt like Jackie also, i just tried to skip all that storyline as fast as i could, because i didnt like him at all as a partner, i like best Takamura as partner, he has principles.

I finished the game, all the endings, all the side gigs (all of them, even those i didnt like).
And yes... even the boring Judy story underwater.

I did enjoyed the politic one that is paranoid, that one was deep, i did enjoyed it a lot.
And of course all the takamura interactions, sad in the end i didnt felt that takamura felt some kind of friendship with V, but he do feels respect.

And i also agree with you in your another post.
There is not much of RPG/open world in CP, i have to agree with you that is only an action adventure game...
still i enjoyed it, but.. if you ask me, it doesnt worth the money i paid for the game, thats for sure.

I would have been a much better game if they actually allowed you to make real decisions or at least even play past those endings. As it stands you have to alway be "sick" in the game world

 

[i-Czer]

The sad thing is, that it's become an industry standard to have those depressing endings. Either for the sake of shock and awe, soft reboots or even because it has become the standard.

What this thread shows is that there are plenty of people tired of it. But we have to be honest with our self. Each one of us.
Ultimately it will change nothing because "it was not the vision". And even though the medium supports multiple endings a happy one rarely seems to come to mind as an ADDITION (not a replacement) to what the vision was. We can make our voices be heard, sure. But that's all we can do. And how often did that work? Accepting that fact (I am not quite there yet myself) will ultimately help to move on.

The cynic in me thinks the following: The franchise will go the Bioware route in most aspects. The story DLCs will be set before the endings or have nothing to do with V if even any of the characters if they are set after. The next game will be either a prequel, probably following along rogue or Johnnys earlier exploits (Yes, I know the characters are well established in the Books, but who isn't afraid to kill them off isn't afraid to rewrite them for a prequel) or like the Assassins Creed Games a whole new set of characters for every installment. It feels very much like one and gone at the moment. Which makes me sad for V because she deserved better.

The optimist, whom I can barely hear anymore in the back of my head, clings to any kind of hope that we'll see a proper expansion of the events transpired so far down the road.

 

[tRYSIS3]

True. Though maybe the first Dragon Age, to some less degree than here...

But overall, I have less gripes with the sense of urgency, or lack thereof. I am just too used to postpone the main-quest and have the Dark Lords and Villains wait patiently until I returned all sheep to the farmers etc.

What baffles me more about this is that the whole "Johnny taking over V's body" isn't more part of the gameplay/choices. And tied to the endings you could achieve.

For example, it should ahve been the player at various points in the game to decide how much do they want Johnny to take over. Could be both like in the game, Johnny trying a charme-offensive to convince V to let her go a little so he can help. Or even a gameplay-element - letting Johnny take over gives you for a short time super-reflexes, more damage, something like that - but it comes all at the price of V slowly more and more losing herself and giving her body to Johnny.

But if you deny all this, reject johnny etc., of course it would lead to him becoming more angry, more annoying, more demanding, as now Johnny starts to feel afraid of dying (again)

Could have made for some nice dynamics, even more than we already have. And also fornice possible endings, depinding on how much you embraced or rejected Johnny and his influence.

Fully embraced him, you are no longer V towards the end, doing the last blaze of glory stuff it to Arasaka ending, somewhere in the middle you still have lost so much of yourself that you are no longer V, but a crude almost schizo mix of Johnny and V, but no blaze of glory ending, more the "I do not care anymore about my friends and loved ones, only about myself and being a top merc-ending"

Or you were a self-serving asshole to johnny consistently - and you stay yourself as Johnny's engram cannot manifest fully in your brain and gets rejected by your will, your disdain for him like antibodies. You end alive and V, but with not much more than your friends and empty wallet back on swuare one before the heist (and lots of enemies too!)

I could have lived with such a gameplay. And I think CD red could have laid a nice trap this way, for the typical RPG players like myself who always try to help others, like even Johnny ... can't be bad letting him have a date with his Ex at least once, hm...oh, ...damn...

alas, we have what we have...

Actually, why is there no option to just block Johnny? When Misty gave me the omega blockers, I looked in my inventory to see if I could find them and block him. Little did I know I guess... the game isn't about V, it's about Johnny

 

[jahkin]

Actually, why is there no option to just block Johnny? When Misty gave me the omega blockers, I looked in my inventory to see if I could find them and block him. Little did I know I guess... the game isn't about V, it's about Johnny

What I mean. There should have been a proper "Johnny-meter" and keeping it low, would mean less to almost none intrusion of johnny, much to his anger...

And because that would have meant less Keanu as well, lots of people first time playing would have fallen for not taking the pills etc, and ended as Johnny/Mix-Johnny.