[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[Simuxas]

What I mean. There should have been a proper "Johnny-meter" and keeping it low, would mean less to almost none intrusion of johnny, much to his anger...

And because that would have meant less Keanu as well, lots of people first time playing would have fallen for not taking the pills etc, and ended as Johnny/Mix-Johnny.

Yes, those meters that appear in 2nd act should have proper impact to the games endings, nuw they are there and means nothing practicly.

 

[tRYSIS3]

The sad thing is, that it's become an industry standard to have those depressing endings. Either for the sake of shock and awe, soft reboots or even because it has become the standard.

What this thread shows is that there are plenty of people tired of it. But we have to be honest with our self. Each one of us.
Ultimately it will change nothing because "it was not the vision". And even though the medium supports multiple endings a happy one rarely seems to come to mind as an ADDITION (not a replacement) to what the vision was. We can make our voices be heard, sure. But that's all we can do. And how often did that work? Accepting that fact (I am not quite there yet myself) will ultimately help to move on.

The cynic in me thinks the following: The franchise will go the Bioware route in most aspects. The story DLCs will be set before the endings or have nothing to do with V if even any of the characters if they are set after. The next game will be either a prequel, probably following along rogue or Johnnys earlier exploits (Yes, I know the characters are well established in the Books, but who isn't afraid to kill them off isn't afraid to rewrite them for a prequel) or like the Assassins Creed Games a whole new set of characters for every installment. It feels very much like one and gone at the moment. Which makes me sad for V because she deserved better.

The optimist, whom I can barely hear anymore in the back of my head, clings to any kind of hope that we'll see a proper expansion of the events transpired so far down the road.

I'm a creative myself so I know a thing or two about "visions", but if I told someone I'll make you a project with multiple endings, and they were all the same, I would be playing myself. I wouldn't do it because in the future "it would make sense" either, that shouldn't be an option.

The aura cdpr had of being the "good guys" is gone now, and if the game doesn't get fixed they will never be able to regain it. They will become just another BioWare.

 

[jahkin]

Yes, those meters that appear in 2nd act should have proper impact to the games endings, nuw they are there and means nothing practicly.

Hey, and another ME3 comparison!!!

Did CD Red hire any Biowarestaff from 2012 maybe? Did the shitstorm about that game got falsely translated to polish and they thoguht it was great feedback, hence they made so many similar mistakes???

 

[acakomandos]

I know CDPR has a lot of shit to deal with right now, but my fear is that if they dont say anything, or at least say DLC is in the works its not over for V many people will just lose interest in this game. Not many people are willing to play again for 20/50/120hrs just to get notfing

 

[tRYSIS3]

What I mean. There should have been a proper "Johnny-meter" and keeping it low, would mean less to almost none intrusion of johnny, much to his anger...

And because that would have meant less Keanu as well, lots of people first time playing would have fallen for not taking the pills etc, and ended as Johnny/Mix-Johnny.

yea but in a 2nd playthrough that would make a big difference right? It should have been an option, especially since you are literally given the way to it

 

[i-Czer]

They will become just another BioWare.

This is pretty much where I see things going as well. I didn't care for the Witcher Series so I never became a CDPR Fan, so at least I was spared some of the disappointment.

 

[Froste29]

The sad thing is, that it's become an industry standard to have those depressing endings. Either for the sake of shock and awe, soft reboots or even because it has become the standard.

What this thread shows is that there are plenty of people tired of it. But we have to be honest with our self. Each one of us.
Ultimately it will change nothing because "it was not the vision". And even though the medium supports multiple endings a happy one rarely seems to come to mind as an ADDITION (not a replacement) to what the vision was. We can make our voices be heard, sure. But that's all we can do. And how often did that work? Accepting that fact (I am not quite there yet myself) will ultimately help to move on.

The cynic in me thinks the following: The franchise will go the Bioware route in most aspects. The story DLCs will be set before the endings or have nothing to do with V if even any of the characters if they are set after. The next game will be either a prequel, probably following along rogue or Johnnys earlier exploits (Yes, I know the characters are well established in the Books, but who isn't afraid to kill them off isn't afraid to rewrite them for a prequel) or like the Assassins Creed Games a whole new set of characters for every installment. It feels very much like one and gone at the moment. Which makes me sad for V because she deserved better.

The optimist, whom I can barely hear anymore in the back of my head, clings to any kind of hope that we'll see a proper expansion of the events transpired so far down the road.

Unfortunately true. Additional/expanded endings is all we ask for.
No need to rewrite anything.

 

[DRaptor-1]

This is an action adventure game not a dating simulator. What if someone wants to make their own decisions, not based on what they think a fictional character thinks of them. Why shouldn't that be an option?

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Could you imagine if in rdr2 you had to play as Arthur Morgan trying to find a cure to an illness he had, but in the end you find nothing, and die? Who actually thought this is was a good idea for a story, lmao

Cdpr are lucky most people are too distracted by the bugs, to see the story for how it is

Well, is an action adventure game yes. So if someone wanna play it not minding what an npc thinks about them, is absolutely free to do it. But if someone want to play it following the "love path", he is still free to or it wasn't an element added in the game. Is not a date simulator ofc, but seen that there are some "love ending", where you follow your emotions, I think they should implement and optimize that, because is really poor how it is now. Personally, I will never side with arasaka or alt, and will always follow panam, only because of how I empathize with the character. That's personal, but this doesn't mean it is a less important aspect on the game.
At the end everyone should be free to choose the end he prefer, but some aspect (like the romantic path, call it like this ) need to be implement more than how they are now.

 

[Barsenthor]

For me this endings are for setting the next act.
Some things are practically written in stone - like
- you can't kill Alt
- no matter what you do you and Johnny part your ways
- AI are ploting behind the Blackwall,
- in all endings besides 'saka with going back to Earth V is technically dead and living as a endgram (and even this one is questionable since the first thing V says after the operation, is that s/he "feels empty" in the way, that hints that this not about the Johnny)

For me definitive ending (like they live happily ever after) would close a possible next acts, since V would be off. Only thing that we could get would be mid-game DLC like in the Witcher 3. This time it would be highly problematic since story wise it would be only act 2-3 and so it'd needed to include Keanu Reeves and this is very unlikely to happen due to financial plus logistic issues.

 

[Simuxas]

For me this endings are for setting the next act.
Some things are practically written in stone - like
- you can't kill Alt
- no matter what you do you and Johnny part your ways
- AI are ploting behind the Blackwall,
- in all endings besides 'saka with going back to Earth V is technically dead and living as a endgram (and even this one is questionable since the first thing V says after the operation, is that s/he "feels empty" in the way, that hints that this not about the Johnny)

For me definitive ending (like they live happily ever after) would close a possible next acts, since V would be off. Only thing that we could get would be mid-game DLC like in the Witcher 3. This time it would be highly problematic since story wise it would be only act 2-3 and so it'd needed to include Keanu Reeves and this is very unlikely to happen due to financial plus logistic issues.

Happily ever after ending is not needed. Ending where V lives without preset time to live is what would be the best.

 

[Froste29]

For me this endings are for setting the next act.
Some things are practically written in stone - like
- you can't kill Alt
- no matter what you do you and Johnny part your ways
- AI are ploting behind the Blackwall,
- in all endings besides 'saka with going back to Earth V is technically dead and living as a endgram (and even this one is questionable since the first thing V says after the operation, is that s/he "feels empty" in the way, that hints that this not about the Johnny)

For me definitive ending (like they live happily ever after) would close a possible next acts, since V would be off. Only thing that we could get would be mid-game DLC like in the Witcher 3. This time it would be highly problematic since story wise it would be only act 2-3 and so it'd needed to include Keanu Reeves and this is very unlikely to happen due to financial plus logistic issues.

We alle hope that this is just a cliffhangar for soon to be added content.

However if that is your goal as a dev make it clear that more is coming.

The ending of Mass Effect 1 and 2 are prime examples. You defeated the big bad of that game but you know more is coming. Mass Effect 2 even gave us the Arrival DLC to make sure we do not think that it is over.

Here in 2077 I am just...not sure? I have no idea were we are heading. Is that the end? Is more stuff coming? Will the DLC expand this story or start a new one?
Hell I can't even tell if there is going to be a 2078 game.

 

[Barsenthor]

Happily ever after ending is not needed. Ending where V lives without preset time to live is what would be the best.

And this is something that is addressed by all endings just in the cliffhanger fashion, which is bad since we don't know if there will be continuation. For me this limbo is the only flaw of those endings, although it's a fatal flaw.
Many things are pointing that there will be next acts yet without confirmation it means little.

 

[Kikinho]

in the world of Cyberpunk only you matter.
Saving yourself is what matters.
V was a punk that wanted to become a living legend
you can't have both


but honestly tho, i wanted my fairytale ending too

I just wanted to live.

 

[Froste29]

I just wanted to live.

And I wanted to live, interact with side characters, see their character arcs completed.

 

[Arekrulez]

lol

Shoot in the head, game over.
Giving up to arasaka, going in to soul prison, game over, or, going back to earth, win ( with 3-6 month to live , still win ! )
Become LEGEND by attacking arasaka solo and die, still, you are legend.
Stay in the city and keep going, even in to the space level missions
Leave city, and forget about all this trash that offers NC, become part of family, take your date with you.

how [...] are all same endings?

The endings have deeper meaning, then just happy end, its about who you are, who you become. Plus its not a GTA type of a game.

 

[Barsenthor]

The ending of Mass Effect 1 and 2 are prime examples. You defeated the big bad of that game but you know more is coming. Mass Effect 2 even gave us the Arrival DLC to make sure we do not think that it is over.

ME is different topic - it was always advertised as a trilogy. It had a strict black and white plot with many classic space opera characteristics - like main evil guys that needed to be beaten in order to finish the story.

CP77 on the other hand is a game based on PnP world, much more like Neverwinter Nights/Baldur's Gate and D&D with no grand plot.
It's really unlikely that CDPR would put enormous effort in to the building NightCity only to ditch it along with main charakter after one game without DLCs.

 

[jahkin]

We alle hope that this is just a cliffhangar for soon to be added content.

However if that is your goal as a dev make it clear that more is coming.

The ending of Mass Effect 1 and 2 are prime examples. You defeated the big bad of that game but you know more is coming. Mass Effect 2 even gave us the Arrival DLC to make sure we do not think that it is over.

Here in 2077 I am just...not sure? I have no idea were we are heading. Is that the end? Is more stuff coming? Will the DLC expand this story or start a new one?
Hell I can't even tell if there is going to be a 2078 game.

CP is like ME1-3 in one game, minus the cool bosses like Saren, Sovereign, even Harbinger was neat, too bad he got shelved, should have been the final ME3 boss imho.

I am not sure either what the plans might be for CP. It is not even the rocky launch that will overshadow any plans CD might have had anyway.

Even with a smooth launch I ... would be confused where the game would be headed with additional content. Mid-Game DLc is the obvious answer - but an entire long new side-quest while the time is supposed to be ticking down for V makes not much sense...

Same with a whole new char ... makes no sense either. Or like some asked for, the six months with Jackie DLC ... don't see that happening either, don't even really want it.

Before I learned of the endings, I supposed a DLC would be "Get back Jackie Wells", because that was obvious to me that if his body was taken from Victor (or stolen from the grave) it would easily mean they might set up a DLC...could have even been a cool story, where in the end you must accept Jackie is gone...bittersweet and all...

But with those endings as of now...There are ways to salvage all of that into a proper post-dlc, without too much mind bending. I am no writer, but could imagine some ways...

Yet proper foreshadowing ... that would have been nice...

Like ... a typical Marvel-Post-Credit-Scene ... "V", Victor here ... I know you have not much time left...but I mgiht have found something...contact me ASAP!" ... something like THAT, a stinger at each ending...would have made me more assure about a possible future

 

[Froste29]

Nvm

 

[Simuxas]

CP is like ME1-3 in one game, minus the cool bosses like Saren, Sovereign, even Harbinger was neat, too bad he got shelved, should have been the final ME3 boss imho.

I am not sure either what the plans might be for CP. It is not even the rocky launch that will overshadow any plans CD might have had anyway.

Even with a smooth launch I ... would be confused where the game would be headed with additional content. Mid-Game DLc is the obvious answer - but an entire long new side-quest while the time is supposed to be ticking down for V makes not much sense...

Same with a whole new char ... makes no sense either. Or like some asked for, the six months with Jackie DLC ... don't see that happening either, don't even really want it.

Before I learned of the endings, I supposed a DLC would be "Get back Jackie Wells", because that was obvious to me that if his body was taken from Victor (or stolen from the grave) it would easily mean they might set up a DLC...could have even been a cool story, where in the end you must accept Jackie is gone...bittersweet and all...

But with those endings as of now...There are ways to salvage all of that into a proper post-dlc, without too much mind bending. I am no writer, but could imagine some ways...

Yet proper foreshadowing ... that would have been nice...

Like ... a typical Marvel-Post-Credit-Scene ... "V", Victor here ... I know you have not much time left...but I mgiht have found something...contact me ASAP!" ... something like THAT, a stinger at each ending...would have made me more assure about a possible future

Fact that all endings have that 6 month nonsense is possibility for continuation or even tying all endings together. But since its RPG having one ending is kind of bad. Then again, not like we different endings now.

 

[Barsenthor]

CP is like ME1-3 in one game, minus the cool bosses like Saren, Sovereign, even Harbinger was neat, too bad he got shelved, should have been the final ME3 boss imho.

No it is not. It's a game based on the PnP game, written clearly by someone who played at least dozens of sessions with friends in his/her life.
In this game there will be never a grand world-changing plot. The world as it is will carry on, it's just about short stories and characters you create along the way. But that's is - no Reapers, not cycles, not wiping out the whole galaxy.