I'm keeping my finger crossed for that too. Is the most reasonable thing to do, and is not even hard to do. they will gain alot of trust and love from the community, that is always good for a creator, and that they lost with the catastrophic launch. I personally don't care about bugs, continously crashed etc. Untill the game is written right. Can always fix that problems, but if the main story is not engaging, well is a big loss. I hope they will tell us something about dlcs asap in 2021.
CDPR: we are against the "game as a service" model.
Also CDPR: CP77 endings
Just joking - I really love this world and want more of it not less.
Also CDPR: CP77 endings
Just joking - I really love this world and want more of it not less.
It depends on your definition of happy ending. I would have accepted an "aw shit I guess I'm a clone now at least I survived I hope I can make rent this month, F to all my fallen homies." a happy ending.
My main gripes are the arbitrary 6 month expiry across the board, it feels so tacked on and basically overshadows any really interesting philosophical slants the game could have taken.
I really think too many people read happy ending and assume we all want a bed of cocaine and a garage full of super cars, I was incredibly disappointed to find out that now I lived in some sterile penthouse and was the boss of the afterlife just because I didn't want to sac the avocados on the altar of Arasaka for my life.
I'd like to add that I think that the storytelling in the game is incredible, I never hit up forums and start grumbling about things but this game has been living rent free in my head ever since I finished it a week ago, which is really annoying because I can't bring myself to play it.
Buuuuut the main story is also a bit scuffed in places which I assume due to the quality of the writing on the whole is either due to an agenda being pushed or the troubled development/deadlines/crunch.
To be honest, before reading this thread, i did not think about it much, because the transition from Original V to Copy V is so damn quick, like wtf happened aha.
But now that i think about it, i understand what i read, about the fact that at this point, V is already dead. BUT, i also think that it's an interesting concept, because how can we be sure that V is dead, and a copy took it's place ? I mean, does that really qualify as " Death ", and maybe not " Reincarnation " ? The SoulKiller thing is a question unanswered for ages now : What makes you, you ? Your memories ? Your DATA, experiences ? We don't really know, so it's up to the player to chose i think. In my case, i'm the kind of person that think that brainwaves, emotions, memories etc are just 0 and 1s, so i chose to think that V is still V, even after Soulkiller. Ofc that may not be the case, maybe in 20-50 years, humanity will find that " Souls " actually exists, and aren't just Electrical signals. In that case, well, i will be able to say for sure that V died. But right now, no one can say for sure, but you can chose to believe
Well said. It is good to see that other people than me has these severe reactions.
I know I am overreacting, but the first 4,5 days after finishing the game I thought "So this is what despression feels like".
There's a game, called Vampire the Masquarade: Bloodlines. It's a very old game, but still have a big community.
And it IS actually an RPG, where your choices DO MATTER.
There's several endings also. Some are happy, some... well... not very much. But there is an OPTION.
And you know what? I've seen LOTS of comments, that many ppl prefer one specific ending, and trying to achive it, by making choices, building relationships with NPCs, ROLE-PLAYING their characters in a very specific way. And the endings they chose were not always "happy". Like one girl, I remember even now after all these years.. So she liked the main antagonist so much, that for almost every playthrough she would take his side, and die in the end with him.
Having DIFFERENT endings doesnt mean that everyone will auto pick the happiest one.
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Well like i said, i still enjoyed the game, so as long as they don't destroy it with DLC, i'm okay with the way it is. But, i know that it can be 100X better, it has so much potential, so i would be fine with that too aha. Finger crossed like you said
Well leaving endings open ended like these, if they are, is areally scummy design. Unless it is cut content to be added later for free.
Second, endings like these, if they will stay like this, really mess up with possible DLCs, because we all reallly like V, amazing character. Some random character dlcs make no sense same as mid game dlc pretty much denies even more the false sense of rush. Pre game would just be kind of insilting. The game is suppose to be RPG with open world to explore.
I would have suggested making more diverse endings some good, some bittersweet and some bad ones. Everyone could get what they want and could make different choices during different playthroughs.
The whole story is like a great sex with no climax, it leave you frustrated not thrilled 
I don't think a soul is anything magical either, but I do know how data works. 1s and 0s aren't moved, they're copied. Even though I concede that fiction can make things up if they want, I think Alt's warnings about Soulkiller and V's hesitation about it make its fallout clear.
Think of it like this. If V was simply copied and not deleted, would one sense of "self" exist in two people? I don't think that makes any sense -- V1 would clearly be referring to something else when she says "I am" than V2. Basically this is what happens in the ending, except V1 gets wiped out when Alt uses Soulkiller.
For me this is Act 4 and beyond. Whole concept of being one of the first living construct/engrams in the world has a far greater potential then copy-paste Fight Club with Narrator and Tyler Durden.
Nah, some DLC, solving 6 month problem will not be enough, at least for me. We deserve complete overhaul, some Definitive Edition, with no content cuts, working mechanics (Empathy, Johny, etc), and some bonus stuff as a compensation for our troubles. New gigs and sidejobs, especially about BD and Cyberspace — themes and mechanics barely presented in the game.
But i, personally, would leave Judy and Panam as they are, i mean, they dump V if he stays in NC, and that's logical. Both these characters have reasons to hate NC and leave it for good. This will be the price for playing after ending, because if V leaves NC (with nomads or not), he has love interest with him but doesn't play after ending. Of course, River and Kerry romances are opposite to Panam/Judy — V keeps them, if stays in NC, but looses them if leaves.
What you are saying is true. In my case, i did think about seriously taking the Suicide Ending, because well, as we all said, this game is kinda dark, and if t try to immerse myself in it, this ending would seem logical with all that V experienced. It COULD happen i reality, that's what i mean. The thing is, IMO, that if a Happy Ending were to come to life, it shouldn't be TOO happy. That wouldn't have any flavor, and it wouldn't make sense to have 7 Bad-ish endings ( well, some more grey-ish IMO ) and ONE happy, fairytale kinda ending.
I guess some people are okay with this. As far as I'm concerned V2 is a walking shrine to V1's ultimate failure, and I could not care less what happens after Soulkiller.
I confess I'd be less nonchalant about soulkiller if you weren't instantaneously being reinstalled on the same meatware you'd always existed in.
edit: we'll have to agree to disagree on what V2 represents.
Even then it makes you think what's going to happen now that you're separate from Johnny? Like, how do we move on from that? Is Johnny AI going to hack into our implants like a virus? There's no way we're done with him.
Joining the club of people that made an account just for this thread. I played ME3 when it came out and experienced the fallout from their "pick your flavor" endings and this just feels like a nearly decade-later redo. Those endings were trash, and these aren't that much better. It's exhausting to say "I felt like those endings were deeply unsatisfying" and getting met with something along the lines of "oh you just wanted everyone to fart rainbows and live happily ever after, cry more." If my V had to choose between saving herself or some other character you get deeply attached to, I would have been gutted but satisfied. There could have been betray your friends or get your cure. Release the rogue AI on the world to save yourself. All "bad" endings but consistent with the storyline. Send my nomad-V crawling back to the Night City gutter as nothing but the merc that failed to do the job for Dex and got their buddies and the fixer involved killed, but still alive to fight another day.
Not to mention that I'm one of the unfortunate ones that romanced River. I see a lot of people talk about how Panam-ending is the best ending and the only happy one we get, but River was horrible in that ending (and every other one, honestly.) You start the romance with him swearing he's going to stick by you, dying with a rocker-boy jammed in your head or not. His last text you get is talking about how stupid-happy he is and looking forward to the future. You get your last phone call with him and he's still fine but concerned about you. He still promises to stick by you no matter what. Suddenly, Panam ending in full-swing, he meets you at the camp and is like "yeah sorry, you always knew we'd never get a happy ending. have a great rest of your short life," then off into the sunset he drives.
The game feels a lot like it punishes you for not following a strict guideline. Romance Panam or Judy, pick the nomad ending if you want any hope, or suffer. 2020 was horrid, I did not need reminded life is unfair and then you die.
Not to mention that I'm one of the unfortunate ones that romanced River. I see a lot of people talk about how Panam-ending is the best ending and the only happy one we get, but River was horrible in that ending (and every other one, honestly.) You start the romance with him swearing he's going to stick by you, dying with a rocker-boy jammed in your head or not. His last text you get is talking about how stupid-happy he is and looking forward to the future. You get your last phone call with him and he's still fine but concerned about you. He still promises to stick by you no matter what. Suddenly, Panam ending in full-swing, he meets you at the camp and is like "yeah sorry, you always knew we'd never get a happy ending. have a great rest of your short life," then off into the sunset he drives.
The game feels a lot like it punishes you for not following a strict guideline. Romance Panam or Judy, pick the nomad ending if you want any hope, or suffer. 2020 was horrid, I did not need reminded life is unfair and then you die.
well , i know what you mean, but again my point is that the 6 month that you have left to live doesnt have to be true or inevitable. Its not like people have experience what happens to a person that gets attacked by a biochip, and now you have been seperated from johnny and put back in your body, that you only have 6 month to live is just the best guess that alt gives you. She just could be wrong. There could be something that saves you .Or she just wasnt honest or you die after 6 month. We dont know , even johnny says never stop fighting.
So there is 2 options.
They will expand the ending via dlc and give people "closure "
or they will not , leaving things up to interpretations. My other point is that this wasnt a grand scale adventure your "failure" just means youll die . Its not like you were ought to destroy evil , failed and now evil reigns.
and there is 2 differnet arguments , one is there is no "happy ending" thats why its bad , the other argument is that the "bad" endings arent good , if u known what i mean.