[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[Barsenthor]

I love reading the posts in this thread. But at the end of the day, I doubt CD Red is clever enough that anything in thos eregards would ever find its way into a DLC.

To me, at this moment, CD Red simply wanted an Ending. Or Endings. And keep it "mature" and "philosophical", "memorable".

In a way, they succeeded. THis thread, these posts, endless discussions not only how stupid CD red is, but also about transhumanism, the nature of the soul etc. In a way, good job.

Doesn't change the fact to me that unchangeable fate of death in six months no matter what we and V do and suffer through is bullshit. Not a very philosophical or thought-provoking opinion of me. But to me, games are entertainment to feel "good"...this game, made me depressed. Also memorable...a memory one rather would have wiped though...

Mass Effect was a self-contained story. Whole world and lore was created with one and only one purpose - Reapers and the Cycle. Mass Effect without Reapers was nothing, less then nothing. This is why Andromeda sucked so much, even fixing glitches/animationes didn't save this game from the fact that this was a hollow world without a purpose.
If this was not enought thare was also this problem of "Artistic integrity" and Casy Hudson. He was way over his head with everything - remember that it was his idea to ditch the "last boss fight" since it was too gamy. Isn't that coincident that guy left BioWare shortly after ME3, came back few years ago was co-responsibal for "hits" like Anthem and Andromeda and left (!) BioWare few days before Game's Award teaser where BW retcon whole ending and made a red a canon one?

CP77 on the other hand is a game based on PnP game it's like Witcher series, this is a first entry of the whole cycle. Today games are being made with monetization in mind. There is no (!) big triple A game without expansions that push whole story forward. It's easier to made, cheaper since you have most assets, all you need to make is add new quests / skills/armor/weapons.
People will buy this like candy, since they like the game it's world. It's a "game development 101".

This whole game is screaming in every corner with futur DLC/Expensions.

 

[NotFakerButLiar]

I liked the Arasaka ending, mainly because it hits the most for V morally, and no one else dies. But regardless, it's still not the typical "good ending".

 

[arcsirc]

One can only hope ... In the meantime, I've finally decided on a forum signature ...

yoooo

 

[Simuxas]

Thing is, in PnP usually character dies because of players fuckup unless you have some sadistic GM.
While in CP2077 no matter what we do, character is kinda doomed. That is not how rpg is suppose to work

 

[Anrix1]

Same, for a bit of both reasons. Even if I played I would never be as invested which is the strongest thing the game has to offer. It's not a grudge against them, just an incompatibility.
My hope is that this game is an introduction to V, my fear is that it's an introduction to Night City.

If this is the introduction to Night City I think I'll have to pass on the rest of it

 

[lokozar]

yoooo

Yes, let's form a movement ... xD

 

[Simuxas]

Also from writing perspective, story and its endings dont really make sense.

Lets say V main goal is to become top dog/legend in the city. Then heist happens and now main goal is to find a way to heal yourself. Even game is pushing you towards it.

But then you reach the end and goal changes again.
Fuck the cure, i am a legend now.
Fuck the cure, i will leave NC with my lover.
The story changes charactersn goals like socks.

I recently watched Elysium movie again. The premise is the same basically, dark world, MC dying from a deadly radiation. So he pushes forward to find a way to heal himself but by the middle his goal changes because his childhood friends daughter is dying. So his goal now is to save her, not himself. By the end he sacrifices for her. He dies, but achieves his goal, story ends. It is a sad ending but not depressing and it had meaning.

 

[Anrix1]

Yes, let's form a movement ... xD

Lmao why not I'll join too : p

 

[lokozar]

Lmao why not I'll join too : p

Welcome to the band, choom!

 

[stndn]

To everyone complaining about the Panam ending not being 'happy' enough I highly encourage you to go back, reload the savefile and do that ending all over again. But this time, pay attention to all the little details. There are many details littered throughout hinting why this is a better ending than you think (e.g. Tarots) but I'll give you a less obvious example. When you're at the tent where the Basilisk is there's a data pad called 'The Iliad'.

Here's what it says and i've added my interpretation in brackets:

• "If I abide here and war about the city of Trojans [Night City], then lost is my home [Mother Nature with the Aldecaldos], but my renown shall be imperishable [maintain a strong reputation in Night City - this is basically the Johnny ending].
• "But if I return home [Mother Nature] to my dear native land [the great outdoors] then lost is my glorious renown [NC reputation], yet shall my life long endure, neither shall the doom of death come soon upon me."

This poem in my opinion is proof that the Aldecaldos ending is happy and that V will probably be cured in an expansion. Especially when it corroborates with what Misty says.

Just because an ending isn't happy at face value doesn't make it automatically bad! You need to pay attention to the little details.

 

[StarkHelsing]

When you realise that Ciri did a 'jump' to NightCity with her powers, yet we can't even get a cup of nanonites to cure brain booboo.

To everyone complaining about the Panam ending not being 'happy' enough I highly encourage you to go back, reload the savefile and do that ending all over again. But this time, pay attention to all the little details. There are many details littered throughout hinting why this is a better ending than you think (e.g. Tarots) but I'll give you a less obvious example. When you're at the tent where the Basilisk is there's a data pad called 'The Iliad'.

Here's what it says and i've added my interpretation in brackets:

• "If I abide here and war about the city of Trojans [Night City], then lost is my home [Mother Nature with the Aldecaldos], but my renown shall be imperishable [maintain a strong reputation in Night City - this is basically the Johnny ending].
• But if I return home [Mother Nature] to my dear native land [the great outdoors] then lost is my glorious renown [NC reputation], yet shall my life long endure, neither shall the doom of death come soon upon me.

This poem in my opinion is proof that the Aldecaldos ending is happy and that V will probably be cured in an expansion. Especially when it corroborates with what Misty says.

Just because an ending isn't happy at face value doesn't make it automatically bad! That's Bethesda writing. You need to pay attention to the little details people!

A dev has said the main story is finished. Unless the cure isn't the main story then it's not going to happen unless they go back on their word. Which, haha, is possible. That ending has the most 'happiness' and the best outcome - for some. It still flags something, however. What do they know that Arasaka and a powerful AI don't?

 

[lokozar]

To everyone complaining about the Panam ending not being 'happy' enough I highly encourage you to go back, reload the savefile and do that ending all over again. But this time, pay attention to all the little details. There are many details littered throughout hinting why this is a better ending than you think (e.g. Tarots) but I'll give you a less obvious example. When you're at the tent where the Basilisk is there's a data pad called 'The Iliad'.

Here's what it says and i've added my interpretation in brackets:

• "If I abide here and war about the city of Trojans [Night City], then lost is my home [Mother Nature with the Aldecaldos], but my renown shall be imperishable [maintain a strong reputation in Night City].
• But if I return home [Mother Nature] to my dear native land [the great outdoors] then lost is my glorious renown [NC reputation], yet shall my life long endure, neither shall the doom of death come soon upon me.

This poem in my opinion is proof that the Aldecaldos ending is happy and that V will probably be cured in an expansion. Especially when it corroborates with what Misty says.

Just because an ending isn't happy at face value doesn't make it automatically bad! That's Bethesda writing. You need to pay attention to the little details people!

I'm not questioning your viewpoint, but there sadly is a fundamental problem with the Panam ending ... It's exclusive to the male V. Meaning, it cannot be canon, and therefore it cannot be the basis for a "sequel".

 

[Anrix1]

To everyone complaining about the Panam ending not being 'happy' enough I highly encourage you to go back, reload the savefile and do that ending all over again. But this time, pay attention to all the little details. There are many details littered throughout hinting why this is a better ending than you think (e.g. Tarots) but I'll give you a less obvious example. When you're at the tent where the Basilisk is there's a data pad called 'The Iliad'.

Here's what it says and i've added my interpretation in brackets:

• "If I abide here and war about the city of Trojans [Night City], then lost is my home [Mother Nature with the Aldecaldos], but my renown shall be imperishable [maintain a strong reputation in Night City - this is basically the Johnny ending].
• "But if I return home [Mother Nature] to my dear native land [the great outdoors] then lost is my glorious renown [NC reputation], yet shall my life long endure, neither shall the doom of death come soon upon me."

This poem in my opinion is proof that the Aldecaldos ending is happy and that V will probably be cured in an expansion. Especially when it corroborates with what Misty says.

Just because an ending isn't happy at face value doesn't make it automatically bad! You need to pay attention to the little details.

There's still the whole issue of being Soulkilled in the Panam ending that is kinda glazed over.

But we've been down that road a million times now so yeah I'll spare you and I'll not go into it all again.

 

[StarkHelsing]

I'm not questioning your viewpoint, but there sadly is a fundamental problem with the Panam ending ... It's exclusive to the male V. Meaning, it cannot be canon, and therefore it cannot be the basis for a "sequel".

Agreed, this ending actually sucks for hetero f V who's romancing River. I mean, I'm pretty sure you can get this ending without romancing Panam however. You just need to do her quests. It's just less well, it holds less weight.

 

[Cloud7]

Were you around ca. 2012? Bringing up Mass Effect3 again ...

The forums were full of theories. Entire flashbacks/dreamsequences of Shepard were analyzed. And a lot of people married themselves to a theory that went that almost all prior to the ending where Shepard meets a ghostly appariton who claims to be spokesperson of the evil undefeatable Reaper-cthulu Aliens was merely an illusion. And that Bioware did all of this on purpose and the final "true" chapter of ME3 would follow later...yeah...maybe in 2 years with Mass Effect4(5) it will indeed be the case after all ..

And to this day - it would actually make sense, this indoctrination theory. Because unlike the aforementioned starchild, that theory was supported by lore and how the mechanics of "indoctrination" works (basically everyone, including Shepard having Reaper-Tech in her body, would slowly getting brainwashed without realizing by the Reapers to do their bidding)

Not the only theory. But indeed fans back then came up with tremendous ideas, and tried to find logic in what Bioware wrote, hints, and hope for more to come...

The easy explanation however was: There was no elaborate plan. Bioware had changed leadwriters, and was under pressure by EA to release the game earlier than it was finished...

Sounds ... familiar?

I love reading the posts in this thread. But at the end of the day, I doubt CD Red is clever enough that anything in thos eregards would ever find its way into a DLC.

To me, at this moment, CD Red simply wanted an Ending. Or Endings. And keep it "mature" and "philosophical", "memorable".

In a way, they succeeded. THis thread, these posts, endless discussions not only how stupid CD red is, but also about transhumanism, the nature of the soul etc. In a way, good job.

Doesn't change the fact to me that unchangeable fate of death in six months no matter what we and V do and suffer through is bullshit. Not a very philosophical or thought-provoking opinion of me. But to me, games are entertainment to feel "good"...this game, made me depressed. Also memorable...a memory one rather would have wiped though...

Dude i am around since pac-man.... i am a fossil at this point xD

Well considering ME 3 Endings. The Indoctrination theory makes not only more sense than the actual endings they are backed up by evidence by daydreams of shepard, hallucinations, and sound effects which are exactly on point with the lore where the explanation of the "Starchild" is an oxymoron and makes 0 sense. By their logic they kill everyone capable of making synth life etc. to prevent the extermination of everything by exterminating everything. That is like cutting off your legs in order to prevent you from breaking them. That is the dumbest plot i ever had to read in my entire life. And i read alot of books.

"I am the reaper overlord. My logic is flawless. My explanations are literally the dumbest shit you can ever think off" Choose your colour.......

I think CDPR went with the same strategy TLOU2 did. "We make no sense but we exceed expectations..... ok they are negative but we exceeded even those" Yay to us.

It's like one company after another has no clue anymore how to write a good story. It ain't that hard nor is it to much to ask that you sell what you advertise. No one would sell a car by telling you it can fly only that once ppl can buy it you meant by flying that it can fly a longer distance from a cliff than any other car out there and you simply had the wrong expectations if you believed otherwise.

I mean.... C'mon CDPR we know you can do better than that.

Man i miss Amy Hennig. Back when games like Legacy of Kain series had a story your mind was blown apart. Nowadays you get one depressing story after another which makes no sense but one company after another tells you its "innovative or progressive" yet you sit there and think to yourself. WTF is wrong with this industry...... Same as in movies. It is depressing as hell nowadays.

 

[Blaz1us]

I'm not questioning your viewpoint, but there sadly is a fundamental problem with the Panam ending ... It's exclusive to the male V. Meaning, it cannot be canon, and therefore it cannot be the basis for a "sequel".

It is not though. You dont need to romance her to get it, infact Judy comes with if you romanced her.

 

[Simuxas]

To be fair, now that i think of, what another possible adventure could V take.
Because we already pretty much started at top level of "Wtf".

 

[stndn]

I'm not questioning your viewpoint, but there sadly is a fundamental problem with the Panam ending ... It's exclusive to the male V. Meaning, it cannot be canon, and therefore it cannot be the basis for a "sequel".

You don't need to romance Panam even as a male V. You merely need to ride with her and the Aldecaldos.

 

[Simuxas]

It is not though. You dont need to romance her to get it, infact Judy comes with if you romanced her.

If you play straight fem V or gay male V you get fuq all tho. Just randomly leave NC.

 

[StarkHelsing]

To be fair, now that i think of, what another possible adventure could V take.
Because we already pretty much started at top level of "Wtf".

At this point? AI's taking over everything and indoctrinating the world, assuming direct control. Assimulating everyone into one being like some edgy anime character.