I'm saying that when I first heard that phrase from mike I knew very well from the beginning that this adventure with v in night city would be like a pact with the devil. And that's what happened, this damn chip almost destroyed us and is still destroying us (6 months) and here Mike comes in again: it's about saving yourself (with the help of friends in this case ehmehm) . The game isn't over yet my friend... ( i hope...)
It's not like there is anything wrong with a proper "happy" ending either, they are acting like a happy ending would automatically make the game bad, but I highly doubt they would be saying anything if there was an actual happy ending. They are just pandering to cdpr's bullshit decisions regardless.
I didn't pay 70 bucks to play a game with no objective, which may or may not exist in a DLC. The current story is trash and no expansion will change that fact
Sorry, but too many other publishers / studios have used "roadmaps" as some kind of pacifying tactic.
100% agree, I’m in the camp of people that are sick entirely to death of this trend of “misery for the sake of misery” in media. I was mostly just saying because it was this Cyberpunk genre with all sorts of dark themes and the “you can only save yourself” quote, I expected some sadness in my endings. I wasn’t quite expecting an existential crisis and complete disappointment. Killing main characters for no reason and “everyone loses” endings are a cheap way to pull emotion from consumers and its getting exhausting finding games that aren’t trying to be the next edgy “gotcha, hurt your feelings” story.
My biggest issue is the fact there are supposed to be "choices". If the game was linear I would absolutely not be here. I have never actually been online complaining about the ending of a game/movie ever
Thank you for stating that. I no longer feel alone with that opinion
I cant really add anything. This thread wont be allive forever. I think than in a week or two it will die down as players give up. I dont think many people want new GTA online but hey. I think I will also delete game, it has hurt me enoughAfter being able to vent here a bit (And a big thanks to you guys!) I've come to my personal conclusion on the topic of CP77.
I'll be going the same way my V did. I'll get the hell out while there is still time.
Up until the conclusion of the game I really liked the game. But... I am one of those people where an ending can ruin everything that preceded it, no matter how much I loved it. And stories that kill off the player character are just downright disrespectful to the player. Not to mention I just can't come back to a suffering V over and over again. May sound silly to some, it's just how I am wired.
My prediction for the next 3 months. I predict that the following things will happen till the end of march.
After march though, the following will happen:
- CDPR will issue a couple of statements regarding the status of CP77. Something along the lines of "In order to give you guys the best possible product, we have postponed any DLC plans indefinitely in favor of making sure you will have the best experience(i.e. fixing the bugs)"
- Once that is done there will be a bit of silence regarding any DLC plans.
- Eventually CDPR will issue another statement consisting of "After much deliberation we've decided to focus on giving you one of our biggest DLCs yet instead of spreading it out for multiple story driven DLCs right after we released the MP Mode DLC" (Essentially saying we ran out of time to do multiple ones and we want to put this behind us)
- The MP DLC will be something along the lines of GTA online. CDPR has already stated that they want to develop like Rockstar.
- Details about the story DLC will drop. And this now "condensed" DLC will be one of these scenarios (in order of likeliness)
- A Jacke DLC that covers the time between the life paths and the first mission after them. Despite it being cut content, they'll still do that.
- a "spin-off" DLC much like the Trauma Team Books. Something that happens simultaneously to Vs story. Not start able via a mission in game, but a simple Menu Entry "start DLC called something generic".
- A Story DLC that follows characters we meet in CP77 but is set before it. Also start able via the menu.
- A Regular mid-game set of Missions set in a new area of the badlands.
How did I come to this set of predictions?
- CDPR will try to sell that idea as something the people wanted.
- After all that is done and finished (I am guessing around April 2022) there will be some news dropping that the next game by CDPR is in development and "It's not what we think" but every other DLC plans will be cancelled because they want to spend all their focus on the new game to delivers us the best experience.... blah blah blah, marketing speak.
- It will be either a new Witcher Game with "Terry the replacement witcher" (Thank you for that joke, whoever made it first) or a new CP game set before CP77 to explore the iconic stories or iconic characters we've met. Or it will be set after, but set in a new City. In all scenarios it will be with an entirely new set of characters.
- In any case, it will be roughly 5 to 10 years till there will be another CP game since Rockst... I mean CDPR don't want to work on 2 games simultaneously.
There are probably more things rattling around my head, but nothing that I can write down right now.
- CP77 is pretty much structured like Far Cry 3 and GTA5.
- Those that think Night City was crafted so carefully they won't ditch it: so was Los Santos or any other GTA City.
- But even if it wasn't, Night City is a constant in the universe. Nothing more.
- The way the story is told, the goal is to keep the world alive not the characters.
- Games that have their DLCs set after the original games end have somewhat open endings. (i.e. Control)
- In all the expanded universe stuff V or the other characters feature only in promotional material. To me that shows no interest in keeping them around.
- After having done a trilogy with the Witcher, CDPR will need something to experiment with. That is why I think Cyberpunk will become their GTA, Final Fantasy, Far Cry, Assassins Creed. One off stories.
- CDPR can't afford to put much more effort into the game other than get it to a stable version. Because no matter what they'd do after getting it there it would cause the same backlash within a short time frame. Doing nothing is better than doing everything in this case.
- The Missing 6th Techtree would be perfect to fill during either the MP DLC or Story DLC and since it's already showing in the HUD you'll probably get access to it from the start of the game.
- No side Mission influences how the endings play out. Only which are available. Which is my biggest indicator for the above listed DLC options. They wouldn't have to worry about it.
- Even more so though is the fact we'll get set back to the point of no return. If they'd do a post main story DLC they'd have to rework that. Which there is no chance they'd be willing to do.
- CDPR lost their "good guys" status a while ago and doesn't seem to care to get it back.
In any case I just can't see anything happening in regards to our specific problem.
- Have the arbitrary 6 months not be part of the final choice but make it a condition based on missions or decisions to be able to avoid it.
- Expand on the ridiculous sad endings and actually offer a happy end in an DLC.
All those years spent in gaming has shown me that a problem like ours is never addressed or resolved. And for me at least that means I have no reason to care anymore or want to return. The same happened to me with Bioware. They did us dirty with the ME3 ending and that's the last time I cared about Bioware games. Andromeda failed and so did Anthem. For whatever reason. Now with the new game on the horizon, which may include the return of Shephard, I still can't bring myself to care.
Anyway, I see a 0% chance that we'll get something that will fix our problem in any way shape or form. Because that's not how the gaming industry, or companies in general, work/s. So at least I am stuck with a game that has hurt me emotionally. And I am tired of feeling this way. Time to rip this band aid of. I've cancelled all my orders for any kind of CP merch (Thankfully they where all Out of Stock ^^) and uninstalled the game. It will take some time to get over it, but like with ME I'll get there eventually. And one less customer isn't going to even show up in any statistic they have. They don't owe me anything and I don't owe them. It's a hard lesson learned that yet another Franchise I thought I could get behind is down the drain. But oh well. Can't have everything I suppose.
But I thank all of you guys for being here. Please keep this thread alive. Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and a miracle actually happens for once
We know what they are doing right now. Taking a Christmas vacation because their staff is exhausted by terrible managers. The next 2 months are going to see 2 major patches released addressing a variety of issues with the game, including performance issues on all platforms. Then there's the free DLC release similar to Witcher 3.
I was there for Mass Effect 3’s endings, even before the extended cut they put out after the backlash lol I definitely didn’t think it’d happen again 8 years later. I didn’t play the Witcher series because I prefer to have custom characters in my RPGs rather than set protag, but people are head over heels for CDPR so I thought they’d be a safer bet than BioWare after they dropped Andromeda so quickly. I’m feeling a bit let down, honestly. If the intent was to leave the game open ended for future DLC, I was kind of expecting the game to be replayable until then, but they killed my will to replay the game like they killed V’s hope of living their life post-Johnny.
After being able to vent here a bit (And a big thanks to you guys!) I've come to my personal conclusion on the topic of CP77.
I'll be going the same way my V did. I'll get the hell out while there is still time.
Up until the conclusion of the game I really liked the game. But... I am one of those people where an ending can ruin everything that preceded it, no matter how much I loved it. And stories that kill off the player character are just downright disrespectful to the player. Not to mention I just can't come back to a suffering V over and over again. May sound silly to some, it's just how I am wired.
My prediction for the next 3 months. I predict that the following things will happen till the end of march.
After march though, the following will happen:
- CDPR will issue a couple of statements regarding the status of CP77. Something along the lines of "In order to give you guys the best possible product, we have postponed any DLC plans indefinitely in favor of making sure you will have the best experience(i.e. fixing the bugs)"
- Once that is done there will be a bit of silence regarding any DLC plans.
- Eventually CDPR will issue another statement consisting of "After much deliberation we've decided to focus on giving you one of our biggest DLCs yet instead of spreading it out for multiple story driven DLCs right after we released the MP Mode DLC" (Essentially saying we ran out of time to do multiple ones and we want to put this behind us)
- The MP DLC will be something along the lines of GTA online. CDPR has already stated that they want to develop like Rockstar.
- Details about the story DLC will drop. And this now "condensed" DLC will be one of these scenarios (in order of likeliness)
- A Jacke DLC that covers the time between the life paths and the first mission after them. Despite it being cut content, they'll still do that.
- a "spin-off" DLC much like the Trauma Team Books. Something that happens simultaneously to Vs story. Not start able via a mission in game, but a simple Menu Entry "start DLC called something generic".
- A Story DLC that follows characters we meet in CP77 but is set before it. Also start able via the menu.
- A Regular mid-game set of Missions set in a new area of the badlands.
How did I come to this set of predictions?
- CDPR will try to sell that idea as something the people wanted.
- After all that is done and finished (I am guessing around April 2022) there will be some news dropping that the next game by CDPR is in development and "It's not what we think" but every other DLC plans will be cancelled because they want to spend all their focus on the new game to delivers us the best experience.... blah blah blah, marketing speak.
- It will be either a new Witcher Game with "Terry the replacement witcher" (Thank you for that joke, whoever made it first) or a new CP game set before CP77 to explore the iconic stories or iconic characters we've met. Or it will be set after, but set in a new City. In all scenarios it will be with an entirely new set of characters.
- In any case, it will be roughly 5 to 10 years till there will be another CP game since Rockst... I mean CDPR don't want to work on 2 games simultaneously.
There are probably more things rattling around my head, but nothing that I can write down right now.
- CP77 is pretty much structured like Far Cry 3 and GTA5.
- Those that think Night City was crafted so carefully they won't ditch it: so was Los Santos or any other GTA City.
- But even if it wasn't, Night City is a constant in the universe. Nothing more.
- The way the story is told, the goal is to keep the world alive not the characters.
- Games that have their DLCs set after the original games end have somewhat open endings. (i.e. Control)
- In all the expanded universe stuff V or the other characters feature only in promotional material. To me that shows no interest in keeping them around.
- After having done a trilogy with the Witcher, CDPR will need something to experiment with. That is why I think Cyberpunk will become their GTA, Final Fantasy, Far Cry, Assassins Creed. One off stories.
- CDPR can't afford to put much more effort into the game other than get it to a stable version. Because no matter what they'd do after getting it there it would cause the same backlash within a short time frame. Doing nothing is better than doing everything in this case.
- The Missing 6th Techtree would be perfect to fill during either the MP DLC or Story DLC and since it's already showing in the HUD you'll probably get access to it from the start of the game.
- No side Mission influences how the endings play out. Only which are available. Which is my biggest indicator for the above listed DLC options. They wouldn't have to worry about it.
- Even more so though is the fact we'll get set back to the point of no return. If they'd do a post main story DLC they'd have to rework that. Which there is no chance they'd be willing to do.
- CDPR lost their "good guys" status a while ago and doesn't seem to care to get it back.
In any case I just can't see anything happening in regards to our specific problem.
- Have the arbitrary 6 months not be part of the final choice but make it a condition based on missions or decisions to be able to avoid it.
- Expand on the ridiculous sad endings and actually offer a happy end in an DLC.
All those years spent in gaming has shown me that a problem like ours is never addressed or resolved. And for me at least that means I have no reason to care anymore or want to return. The same happened to me with Bioware. They did us dirty with the ME3 ending and that's the last time I cared about Bioware games. Andromeda failed and so did Anthem. For whatever reason. Now with the new game on the horizon, which may include the return of Shephard, I still can't bring myself to care.
Anyway, I see a 0% chance that we'll get something that will fix our problem in any way shape or form. Because that's not how the gaming industry, or companies in general, work/s. So at least I am stuck with a game that has hurt me emotionally. And I am tired of feeling this way. Time to rip this band aid of. I've cancelled all my orders for any kind of CP merch (Thankfully they where all Out of Stock ^^) and uninstalled the game. It will take some time to get over it, but like with ME I'll get there eventually. And one less customer isn't going to even show up in any statistic they have. They don't owe me anything and I don't owe them. It's a hard lesson learned that yet another Franchise I thought I could get behind is down the drain. But oh well. Can't have everything I suppose.
But I thank all of you guys for being here. Please keep this thread alive. Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and a miracle actually happens for once
Unfortunately what you guys said might be true, dlc's will come out, but they won't fix our problems and this thread will slowly die in a deep abyss. It will be sad, I've never cared so much for a game like this in my entire life.
I agree, we just have nothing to come to a conclusion. Maybe they fix it, maybe they don't. Maybe I will buy their next game, maybe I don't. The only thing we can do is try to keep this thread alive, really.
It would be one of those ironic stories if Bioware, former darling fallen from grace, get a turn around with Dragon age 4, ME Legendary Edition and ME4 (or 5?) redeeming the nosnense they made with ME3 and beyond...all the while CD Red, the love child of gamers worldwide that could do no wrong takes their place...gamer love is fickle ...I was there for Mass Effect 3’s endings, even before the extended cut they put out after the backlash lol I definitely didn’t think it’d happen again 8 years later. I didn’t play the Witcher series because I prefer to have custom characters in my RPGs rather than set protag, but people are head over heels for CDPR so I thought they’d be a safer bet than BioWare after they dropped Andromeda so quickly. I’m feeling a bit let down, honestly. If the intent was to leave the game open ended for future DLC, I was kind of expecting the game to be replayable until then, but they killed my will to replay the game like they killed V’s hope of living their life post-Johnny.
Damn, I feel bad for you, guess I lucked out not playing MEI was there for Mass Effect 3’s endings, even before the extended cut they put out after the backlash lol I definitely didn’t think it’d happen again 8 years later. I didn’t play the Witcher series because I prefer to have custom characters in my RPGs rather than set protag, but people are head over heels for CDPR so I thought they’d be a safer bet than BioWare after they dropped Andromeda so quickly. I’m feeling a bit let down, honestly. If the intent was to leave the game open ended for future DLC, I was kind of expecting the game to be replayable until then, but they killed my will to replay the game like they killed V’s hope of living their life post-Johnny.
I will. I wont give up...yet. i really care about V and this story. But we will see
The way the marketing went and the talks about a GTA online type multiplayer, it seems the cdpr we once knew are already so far gone
