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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 428 44.4%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 91 9.4%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 282 29.3%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 162 16.8%

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JuanEvil

JuanEvil

Fresh user
#7,401
Dec 28, 2020
Rawls said:
You can romance Panam as Male V. I assume that's still a potential thing in the Nomad ending.
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No, I meant that only people that romanced either Judy or Panam can get the "best" ending of the game. If you romanced River or, in my case, Kerry, both of them will break up with you if you choose The Star ending.
 
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onosendai7

onosendai7

Senior user
#7,402
Dec 28, 2020
Something I did not see in this thread (sorry, I may have missed it) is :
What if the whole game was just to set up the return of Silverhand in the Cyberpunk World, if the only good version was V.'s sacrifice for Johnny to live on ? And V. would only stand for the vessel of Johnny's psyche.

But all in all, I believe most of us agree that the endings delivered are not satisfactory.
The 6 month delay is just uselessly cruel to the character (and to the player) and serves nothing.
We also agree that the story-telling's been cut and re-cut and that is a shame.

I don't know what CDPR is brewing, and I keep hope for the future. But, despite the fact that I enjoyed their work since the first The Witcher and up to The Witcher 3, CDPR is on the verge to tag along with EA and Bioware on my list of studios to forget.
 
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i-Czer

i-Czer

Forum regular
#7,403
Dec 28, 2020
JuanEvil said:
No, I meant that only people that romanced either Judy or Panam can get the "best" ending of the game. If you romanced River or, in my case, Kerry, both of them will break up with you if you choose The Star ending.
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Really? Aw, that sucks :(
I'd be down with Kerry
 
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rippercityransom

rippercityransom

Forum regular
#7,404
Dec 28, 2020
JuanEvil said:
No, I meant that only people that romanced either Judy or Panam can get the "best" ending of the game. If you romanced River or, in my case, Kerry, both of them will break up with you if you choose The Star ending.
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I wondered if Kerry broke up with you in that ending as well. River was... really horrible about it. My V was basically begging him to care because she was dying and he’s just like “well, you knew we weren’t going to get a happy ending anyway, sorry about your luck.” It wasn’t anything like they had set up his character to be, where he stated multiple times he would be there for V no matter what. They literally didn’t have to do it that way at all. It comes back around to any pre-endgame DLC involving River is tainted by the ending. He’s gonna leave me when I’m terminal, what does it matter? :(
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#7,405
Dec 28, 2020
Rawls said:
I loved the Nomad ending for Nomad FemV with Judy. It was brilliant IMO. V finds love, community, contentment with herself and even still has some hope.
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Not if you are CORPO though, it's the ultimate fall from grace story, and it's not even logical at that. Went from being amongst CORPO higher-ups to living in tents in the desert, all in the span of two weeks.
 
djisma69

djisma69

Senior user
#7,406
Dec 28, 2020
onosendai7 said:
Something I did not see in this thread (sorry, I may have missed it) is :
What if the whole game was just to set up the return of Silverhand in the Cyberpunk World, if the only good version was V.'s sacrifice for Johnny to live on ? And V. would only stand for the vessel of Johnny's psyche.

But all in all, I believe most of us agree that the endings delivered are not satisfactory.
The 6 month delay is just uselessly cruel to the character (and to the player) and serves nothing.
We also agree that the story-telling's been cut and re-cut and that is a shame.

I don't know what CDPR is brewing, and I keep hope for the future. But, despite the fact that I enjoyed their work since the first The Witcher and up to The Witcher 3, CDPR is on the verge to tag along with EA and Bioware on my list of studios to forget.
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If they don't fix it many people will do the same, I certainly will.
But as they say "Hope is the last thing we have to lose" , I really do hope they fix it but only time will tell.
 
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Rawls

Moderator
#7,407
Dec 28, 2020
Yeah it does suck for River and Kerry fans. Unfortunately those characters have their roots in the city. :(
 
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jahkin

Forum regular
#7,408
Dec 28, 2020
Rawls said:
I dont see V's likely death as rendering what happens before worse. Every man dies, but not every man really lives. Literally every mortal character we've ever played as in a video game will die at some point in the future. It doesn't take away the experiences we the players have with those characters.
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Yeah yeah, journey matters etc.

Its not the fact everyone dies eventually. It is the game telling us quite explicitly WHEN this will happen.

Not to mention that it feels silly to be stuck at "six months to live" again ,which is the exact point we started off when waking up at Victors, telling us all that.

It is the feeling the whole journey, the whole struggle, the fear and agony we saw with V - was ultimately in vain. All we did go through at Vs side - it ends us at the same point. It is a let down. Maybe to some a "poetic" letdown, "artistic" or something.

To me though? Nah...it just taints the quite good journey as the destiantion is not a nice hotel, but a cheap worn down hostel that has been overused over the years...
 
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onosendai7

onosendai7

Senior user
#7,409
Dec 28, 2020
djisma69 said:
If they don't fix it many people will do the same, I certainly will.
But as they say "Hope is the last thing we have to lose" , I really do hope they fix it but only time will tell.
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As they say in Warhammer 40K, "Hope is an illusion of the mind".
And we all know that hope dies last....
 
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djisma69

djisma69

Senior user
#7,410
Dec 28, 2020
Rawls said:
Yeah it does suck for River and Kerry fans. Unfortunately those characters have their roots in the city. :(
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It happens the same for Panam and Judy if we choose to stay in Night City so they are not alone in getting bad endings too.

onosendai7 said:
As they say in Wharammer 40K, "Hope is an illusion of the mind".
And we all know that hope dies last....
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Well, I want to think CDPR is not that lost and they will fix all of this :shrug:
 
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rippercityransom

Forum regular
#7,411
Dec 28, 2020
djisma69 said:
It happens the same for Panam and Judy if we choose to stay in Night City so they are not alone in getting bad endings too.
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But I tried the ending where you stay in Night City and the relationship is still in shambles, at least with River it was. Instead of River being the one to say “you knew we weren’t going to get a happy ending,” V says it instead. :/ My V was happier riding off platonically with Panam in the Nomad ending than she was being with River in the Legend ending. There isn’t a happy ending for River and V at all.
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#7,412
Dec 28, 2020
Rawls said:
I dont see V's likely death as rendering what happens before worse. Every man dies, but not every man really lives. Literally every mortal character we've ever played as in a video game will die at some point in the future. It doesn't take away the experiences we the players have with those characters.
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Might as well end every movie and game with the main character dying, because that's how life works, right? Also, I'm not sure what exactly do you mean by "lives" because I wouldn't consider a cutscene of my protagonist riding with Panam as "living", especially since I had no control over anything from that point onwards.

The entire game was about the struggle to find a cure that would help you live, and it ended the moment you reached that supposed cure, which wasn't really even a cure.
 
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TintelFruit

TintelFruit

Forum regular
#7,413
Dec 28, 2020
jahkin said:
Not to mention that it feels silly to be stuck at "six months to live" again ,which is the exact point we started off when waking up at Victors, telling us all that.
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Remember though, Alt promised 6 months or more, and V has more then a few avenues to find a cure after most of the endings.
 
i-Czer

i-Czer

Forum regular
#7,414
Dec 28, 2020
onosendai7 said:
As they say in Warhammer 40K, "Hope is an illusion of the mind".
And we all know that hope dies last....
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I mean they literally coined the phrase Grim Dark. Everyone knows exactly that nothing good ever happens in that universe. And yet... here comes the kicker... even some of the books have actual happy enough endings (Books! They don't support mutliple endings). Who knew right? ^^
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#7,415
Dec 28, 2020
jahkin said:
Yeah yeah, journey matters etc.

Its not the fact everyone dies eventually. It is the game telling us quite explicitly WHEN this will happen.

Not to mention that it feels silly to be stuck at "six months to live" again ,which is the exact point we started off when waking up at Victors, telling us all that.

It is the feeling the whole journey, the whole struggle, the fear and agony we saw with V - was ultimately in vain. All we did go through at Vs side - it ends us at the same point. It is a let down. Maybe to some a "poetic" letdown, "artistic" or something.

To me though? Nah...it just taints the quite good journey as the destiantion is not a nice hotel, but a cheap worn down hostel that has been overused over the years...
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The story is about Johnny, he gets the real happy ending. It really never was about V, and I think most people can agree on that... yet no one seems to accept the idea that the story of V might actually be over too
 
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djisma69

djisma69

Senior user
#7,416
Dec 28, 2020
rippercityransom said:
But I tried the ending where you stay in Night City and the relationship is still in shambles, at least with River it was. Instead of River being the one to say “you knew we weren’t going to get a happy ending,” V says it instead. :/ My V was happier riding off platonically with Panam in the Nomad ending than she was being with River in the Legend ending. There isn’t a happy ending for River and V at all.
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Then they need to fix that up too for you guys (y)
(I did not know about that since I don't romance male npcs, I only play straight male but if they are that bad you guys should get good endings in that too)

StarkHelsing said:
Gay males actually have fewer options. Kerry is the only option for gay males. River isn't gay or bisexual. So a gay male can have a relationship with Kerry or paid fun with two available male joy toys. This is less than the available lesbian options. Gay women can have relations with Judy, two joy toys and have sex with Meredith Stout - something a gay male won't be in to.
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that's not true bro, we all get 1 romance.
Straight male V gets Panam
Straight Female V gets River
Lesbian Female gets Judy
Gay male gets Kerry

the joy toys are Bi and so is Meredith too (Also of course you will not bang girls if you are gay, if you are Bi you can bang both toys and Meredith, is the same for everyone)
 
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Mobster100

Mobster100

Forum regular
#7,417
Dec 28, 2020
StarkHelsing said:
Gay males actually have fewer options. Kerry is the only option for gay males. River isn't gay or bisexual. So a gay male can have a relationship with Kerry or paid fun with two available male joy toys. This is less than the available lesbian options. Gay women can have relations with Judy, two joy toys and have sex with Meredith Stout - something a gay male won't be in to.
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Ahh ok, never completed the Kerry quest line
 
onosendai7

onosendai7

Senior user
#7,418
Dec 28, 2020
i-Czer said:
I mean they literally coined the phrase Grim Dark. Everyone knows exactly that nothing good ever happens in that universe. And yet... here comes the kicker... even some of the books have actual happy enough endings. Who knew right? ^^
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Well, it's a doomed universe, just like Elric's, or the Warhammer Old World. The setting's however very interesting and open so many trails to follow. There are countless stories to tell in it and that's what make it stong, I believe. That and the "Red goez Fasta" Orks... :)
 
Rawls

Rawls

Moderator
#7,419
Dec 28, 2020
jahkin said:
Yeah yeah, journey matters etc.

Its not the fact everyone dies eventually. It is the game telling us quite explicitly WHEN this will happen.

Not to mention that it feels silly to be stuck at "six months to live" again ,which is the exact point we started off when waking up at Victors, telling us all that.

It is the feeling the whole journey, the whole struggle, the fear and agony we saw with V - was ultimately in vain. All we did go through at Vs side - it ends us at the same point. It is a let down. Maybe to some a "poetic" letdown, "artistic" or something.

To me though? Nah...it just taints the quite good journey as the destiantion is not a nice hotel, but a cheap worn down hostel that has been overused over the years...
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I mean its Alt telling us. She could very well be an unreliable source as she is trying to get Vs data to join her. I definitely didn't see the endings as hopeless.
tRYSIS3 said:
Might as well end every movie and game with the main character dying, because that's how life works, right? Also, I'm not sure what exactly do you mean by "lives" because I wouldn't consider a cutscene of my protagonist riding with Panam as "living", especially since I had no control over anything from that point onwards.

The entire game was about the struggle to find a cure that would help you live, and it ended the moment you reached that supposed cure, which wasn't really even a cure.
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I'm cool with it. The ending of 6 feet under does just this and it's one of the best show endings I've ever seen.

I disagree with what the game is about. IMO the game is about the lie that is the allure of power, materialism, transhumanism, and immortality.
 
i-Czer

i-Czer

Forum regular
#7,420
Dec 28, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
The story is about Johnny, he gets the real happy ending. It really never was about V, and I think most people can agree on that... yet no one seems to accept the idea that the story of V might actually be over too
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Yep. Because, personally, I didn't care about Johnny. I cared about V.
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onosendai7 said:
Well, it's a doomed universe, just like Elric's, or the Warhammer Old World. The setting's however very interesting and open so many trails to follow. There are countless stories to tell in it and that's what make it stong, I believe. That and the "Red goez Fasta" Orks... :)
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And don't forget that purple is the sneakiest color. Have you ever actually seen a purple ork? Didn't think so :D
 
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