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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 428 44.4%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 91 9.4%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 282 29.3%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 162 16.8%

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Rawls

Rawls

Moderator
#7,441
Dec 28, 2020
Arkei1 said:
Where should they fit in pre-endgame from a lore/story point of view?
Act 1 - only Watson is available, everything is very beginner area.
Act 2 - The story builds up a sense of urgency, constantly gives relic malfunctions, and tells the player to hurry when he decides to do sidequests.
Act 3 - is only one mission
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IMO I think making a pre-Act 1 expansion would make a lot of sense (the Jackie and V montage). Orbital Air / Moon Expansion would make more sense in Act 2 / 3 just before going to see Hanaka. Not sure about others.
 
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Arkei1

Forum regular
#7,442
Dec 28, 2020
Wenceslaus said:
Wait what, a dystopian sci-fi story does not have fairy tale ending? How rude!

But to be serious, I do not think that it is good that we get used to positive endings so much that people demand them, reducing stories to just form of cheap escapism like 80's action movie.

Not to mention that too many stories with good ending devalue those good endings that actually fits the story.
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Here we go again.
  1. For most people in here, it is not about a ride off in the sunset ending, it's about choices having no impact on the story outcome. You get: dead, or dead in 6 months. The whole story revolves around the theme of survival vs. dying as a legend, but you can't decide. You just die. In a game where choices are supposed to matter
  2. Even if there is a happily ever after option, it does not take away anyone's choice to not pursue it.
Edit: forgot my own problem with the story:
3. It is immersion breaking to be thrown back to a save in Act 2 after the game rushed you through Act 2.
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Rawls said:
IMO I think making a pre-Act 1 expansion would make a lot of sense (the Jackie and V montage). Orbital Air / Moon Expansion would make more sense in Act 2 / 3 just before going to see Hanaka. Not sure about others.
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But would both of those, since they have a direct influence on the story, not just feel like cut content?
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#7,443
Dec 28, 2020
Rawls said:
But seriously, the plot is a vehicle to lead people towards what a story is about. The themes are what it's trying to say.
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It still doesn't change the fact that the character is still trying to find a cure. No one is looking to play a "Maybe The Real Treasure Was the Friends We Made Along the Way" type story
 
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i-Czer

i-Czer

Forum regular
#7,444
Dec 28, 2020
Where I fail to follow is that people who like the current way the endings are are also actively arguing against the option of having either an additional one for those that prefer a happy ending or having a set of variables that can turn the existing ones slightly more positive by remove the arbitrary 6 months (as an example).

It wouldn't take anything away from what the game tries to say (after all, the doom and gloom would still be intact).
It wouldn't take anything from your enjoyment because it wouldn't even affect you.

Yet the people who argue for happier endings only want something in addition or the option to alter the outcome, but not the existing ones removed.
 
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HellKnightX88

HellKnightX88

Forum veteran
#7,445
Dec 28, 2020
Mobster100 said:
In my ending I didn't get the impression that V is going to die anytime soon, at least not before doing the whole spacestation thing. If she/he is about to die, it would be weird doing missions. But then again the timescale is slightly off, as they are trying to keep up the illusion of "pressure". I got the feeling that V was sick and not getting better unless she found a treatment, which I thought was the idea behind doing the casino mission for Blue eyes in an expansion or DLC.
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Oh, I didn't get that impression either. Or that V would go out without a fight (I keep thinking back to Johnny's parting words: "never stop fighting").
But up until this point I considered the endings where V isn't back in their body to be more difficult to work with in terms of a possible sequel setup. I hadn't considered that if V were to get a new body it would be an ideal tabula rasa scenario.

Either way I'd be really really bummed out if this game+DLCs was the end for V's story. Not so much because of how it could end but rather because I really like V as a character (favorite character in the game for me) and I think there's great potential to further develop his/her story in a proper sequel. I'd be sad if I'd only get to play as this character just for one game.
If Cyberpunk 2 or 2078 or whatever comes out it'll be weird for me to play as a new protagonist because I feel like V's story is far from over.
 
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i-Czer

i-Czer

Forum regular
#7,446
Dec 28, 2020
Rawls said:
IMO I think making a pre-Act 1 expansion would make a lot of sense (the Jackie and V montage). Orbital Air / Moon Expansion would make more sense in Act 2 / 3 just before going to see Hanaka. Not sure about others.
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But that'd be a hard sell since CDPR has already stated they won't release any cut content as DLC (because they claim there is no cut content). And that Montage... that would be the ultimate cut content if it came as a DLC.
Not to mention the worst possible idea for most of the people in this thread.
 
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rippercityransom

rippercityransom

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#7,447
Dec 28, 2020
Wenceslaus said:
Wait what, a dystopian sci-fi story does not have fairy tale ending? How rude!

But to be serious, I do not think that it is good that we get used to positive endings so much that people demand them, reducing stories to just form of cheap escapism like 80's action movie.

Not to mention that too many stories with good ending devalue those good endings that actually fits the story.
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I don’t think it’s too much to ask that a story have a “good” bad ending that’s coherent. If that’s truly the end of V‘s story, the 6 month timer was truly unnecessary. You lose friends in all the endings or your mental capacity in another and neither of those things are Disney fairy-tale endings, there was no reason to give V an expiration date other than to just end the open-world game and send you back to the PNR to hack up your lungs and remember you’re actively dying randomly while you clear up 30 second NCPD gigs to buy cars.
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#7,448
Dec 28, 2020
If DLC gonna be anything than past game, everything you collected in thecity will be invalidated, same as playing another character so doubtful. Maybe mid game dlc, but who wants to prolong the suffering?
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Maybe this is the whole story and in dlc they give you options how to conclude V? Death or life? Just spitballing here.
 
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Rawls

Rawls

Moderator
#7,449
Dec 28, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
It still doesn't change the fact that the character is still trying to find a cure. No one is looking to play a "Maybe The Real Treasure Was the Friends We Made Along the Way" type story
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It's true, that is what she's searching for. Instead she finds either glory, contentment, digitized immorality, or death.
 
Rawls

Rawls

Moderator
#7,450
Dec 28, 2020
i-Czer said:
But that'd be a hard sell since CDPR has already stated they won't release any cut content as DLC. And that Montage... that would be the ultimate cut content if it came as a DLC.
Not to mention the worst possible idea for most of the people in this thread.
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I don't think it would be cut content at all. That story of V and Jackie rising through the edgerunner ranks in Night City is not crucial to the story itself more than it's already present context. But fleshing it out is a pretty obvious opportunity.
 
TintelFruit

TintelFruit

Forum regular
#7,451
Dec 28, 2020
I'm just wondering how Arizona is holding up in 2077 :shrug:
 
i-Czer

i-Czer

Forum regular
#7,452
Dec 28, 2020
Rawls said:
It's true, that is what she's searching for. Instead she finds either glory, contentment, digitized immorality, or death.
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Glory = in 6 months death
Contentment = in 6 months death
digitzed immportality = is no longer V = death
death = well... death

The argument feels a bit like sugarcoating to be honest.
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Rawls said:
I don't think it would be cut content at all. That story of V and Jackie wising through the ranks in Night City is not crucial to the story itself more than it's already present. But fleshing it out is a pretty obvious opportunity.
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I realize that you're a moderator so I have to be careful how to formulate things.
I will just set that argument aside as marketing speak because of who you work for.
 
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Rawls

Rawls

Moderator
#7,453
Dec 28, 2020
i-Czer said:
The argument feels a bit like sugarcoating to be honest.
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Again, I just don't think a character's death renders what happens before meaningless.
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#7,454
Dec 28, 2020
Rawls said:
It's true, that is what she's searching for. Instead she finds either glory, contentment, digitized immorality, or death.
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Actually, it's just death... in different flavors
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#7,455
Dec 28, 2020
Rawls said:
It's true, that is what she's searching for. Instead she finds either glory, contentment, digitized immorality, or death.
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Idk most of the endings are quite dumb. None of them makes much sense, maybe apart Arasaka one. Go for most likely option since they maflde a thing thats killing you.

Glory one is probsbly the dumbest. Go in full attack on arasaka solo or with Rogue because idk, Johnny i guess. Get Alt to mikoshi, get zapped, still has 6 months to live but fuck it, ima legund now, sceew finding a way cure yourself. Not to mention all the small details of V being a douche in that ending.
Aldecados is less dumb but still kinda comes out of nowhere. Pretty much the same, except you kill half of the aldecados to live 6 months more and leave NC becuz? NC has peobably the best choice of finding a cure but nah, sand is better. That leavinf NC really comes out of nowhere.

Why there was no ending withArasaka or even something else, where V survives or after soulkiller one without an expiration date and returns to the city but with much more experience. No more dealing with fixers maybe, finding your own jobs or even maybe considering of changing a lifestyle depending on choices you made in game- join Arasaka , join militech, become a detective, maybe a vigilante or a fixer yourself.
 
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Rawls

Rawls

Moderator
#7,456
Dec 28, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
Actually, it's just death... in different flavors
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Sigh. I'll move along.
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#7,457
Dec 28, 2020
Rawls said:
Again, I just don't think a character's death renders what happens before meaningless.
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They don't happen before though, you are told that you die then you get to choose between a bunch of meaningless options.
 
TintelFruit

TintelFruit

Forum regular
#7,458
Dec 28, 2020
Simuxas said:
Idk most of the endings are quite dumb. None of them makes much sense, maybe apart Arasaka one. Go for most likely option since they maflde a thing thats killing you.

Glory one is probsbly the dumbest. Go in full attack on arasaka solo or with Rogue because idk, Johnny i guess. Get Alt to mikoshi, get zapped, still has 6 months to live but fuck it, ima legund now, sceew finding a way cure yourself. Not to mention all the small details of V being a douche in that ending.
Aldecados is less dumb but still kinda comes out of nowhere. Pretty much the same, except you kill half of the aldecados to live 6 months more and leave NC becuz? NC has peobably the best choice of finding a cure but nah, sand is better. That leavinf NC really comes out of nowhere.
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The Arasaka one is clearly the dumbest, they not only not help you, they just remove the relic from you then toss you aside because it'd cost too much money to get you a cure.

Honestly, the Aldecaldos ending is the best, since you leave the cancer that is Night city behind, and if you romance the right person with the everyone you care about at your side.
 
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rippercityransom

Forum regular
#7,459
Dec 28, 2020
Simuxas said:
Idk most of the endings are quite dumb. None of them makes much sense, maybe apart Arasaka one. Go for most likely option since they maflde a thing thats killing you.

Glory one is probsbly the dumbest. Go in full attack on arasaka solo or with Rogue because idk, Johnny i guess. Get Alt to mikoshi, get zapped, still has 6 months to live but fuck it, ima legund now, sceew finding a way cure yourself. Not to mention all the small details of V being a douche in that ending.
Aldecados is less dumb but still kinda comes out of nowhere. Pretty much the same, except you kill half of the aldecados to live 6 months more and leave NC becuz? NC has peobably the best choice of finding a cure but nah, sand is better. That leavinf NC really comes out of nowhere.
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I’m actually glad you said that the leaving Night City comes out of nowhere. I thought I wasn’t paying close enough attention when I picked the option. I thought they’d come and help fight and they did, but then I felt sort of like I was being dragged along after that. Oh, guess we’re going somewhere now. V kept saying “there’s nothing for me here in Night City” as they were driving along and I was like “friends? Your boyfriend? Connections you’ve made that might also get you help?“ ... then River showed up to really take a dump on everything. Not even an option to stay in Night City.
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

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#7,460
Dec 28, 2020
TintelFruit said:
The Arasaka one is clearly the dumbest, they not only not help you, they just remove the relic from you then toss you aside because it'd cost too much money to get you a cure.

Honestly, the Aldecaldos ending is the best, since you leave the cancer that is Night city behind, and if you romance the right person with the everyone you care about at your side.
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They renove the chip and V is improving, but since there was too much dmg, V is still dying. It is the most logical one. Seek help from someone who made the chip also Takemura is there to possibly check if they arent going to screw you, cuz V did save him.

Just because you leave NC with someone you had sex ones, doesnt mean its the best option. As i said, V never considered leaving nc, not to mention if you start as Corpo or strert kid.
 
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