[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[SaulTuk]

You get enough opportunities as V to voice your displeasure of being in Night City, and in the world of cyberpunk leaving your literal consciousness in the hands of a cooperation waving all your human rights away can only spell disaster.

the Aldecaldos clearly state they have enough contacts that have pulled people out of deeper shit then V is in, and manipulating genes has been common in the cyberpunk world for a long time, the only reason Arasaka doesn't help V is because they don't want to spend the resources.

Even my Streetkid V, born and bred in NC, growes displeasured more and more, voicing it through various comments and dialogues. And i agree that Night City is not the only centre of technology and skilled people among the irradiated sand. There are other cities and other people, and logically speaking, V and nomad should leave NC as quickly as possible - Arasaka, Militech and other parties are after their heads, so no point in searching the cure here.
But... most of the people here just want some plot-wise justification of V staying in the city and abusing its habitants with his Legendary Gear and level 50 perks, that's all.

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Well it is based on PnP that is all about NC. Spending so much time on creating one city for the gsme and then just completely ditching it doesnt make sense.
Thing is with the endings, they are so linear and preset aswell. Why I cant attack Arasaka solo and then leave NC? Why I camt attack with Aldecados and refuse to leave?

"Thing is with the endings, they are so linear and preset aswell. Why I cant attack Arasaka solo and then leave NC? Why I camt attack with Aldecados and refuse to leave?" - and this are good questions, detective Spooner).

CP77 is indeed based upon PnP game, but it is not PnP itself. And world-wise NC isn't the only city with advanced tech in America, that would be complete nonsense. And i do not think we will get some DLC after main plot, in NC or in other locations, so no limitations here - possibility of finding the cure in other places was not created for playing at all. Generally, as i said before, any DLC after endings will be not enough, we need complete overhaul of entire game, endings included.

 

[iamthesparky]

I called Judy right before the mission and she's just like "cool, do what you gotta do and be safe". I'm not some annoying acquaintance that called, I'm your girlfriend and I'm going to die! Tell me how crushed you'd be if I never came back - give me something to fight for!

Honestly, I thought she was going to rip herself away from that window she'd been stuck at for weeks and join the fight, but nah.

 

[SaulTuk]

I called Judy right before the mission and she's just like "cool, do what you gotta do and be safe". I'm not some annoying acquaintance that called, I'm your girlfriend and I'm going to die! Tell me how crushed you'd be if I never came back - give me something to fight for!

Honestly, I thought she was going to rip herself away from that window she'd been stuck at for weeks and join the fight, but nah.

Didn't you noticed that Judy is mostly self-centered person? Yeah, V solved her problems and helped her make awesome BD underwater, after that V consoled her with words and sex. That goes only in one direction, Judy's wellbeing, nothing more. Whereas Panam not only offers, but really provides help when V needs it. I see here subtle message from the writers - family values are good, and big cities only breed selfish lone wolves)

 

[jahkin]

Didn't you noticed that Judy is mostly self-centered person? Yeah, V solved her problems and helped her make awesome BD underwater, after that V consoled her with words and sex. That goes only in one direction, Judy's wellbeing, nothing more. Whereas Panam not only offers, but really provides help when V needs it. I see here subtle message from the writers - family values are good, and big cities only breed selfish lone wolves)

Is that why she is all about getting Evelyn, her ex girlfriend, out of the clutches of a band of snuff porn rapists? Nope, don't really agree on that one

 

[iamthesparky]

Didn't you noticed that Judy is mostly self-centered person? Yeah, V solved her problems and helped her make awesome BD underwater, after that V consoled her with words and sex. That goes only in one direction, Judy's wellbeing, nothing more. Whereas Panam not only offers, but really provides help when V needs it. I see here subtle message from the writers - family values are good, and big cities only breed selfish lone wolves)

I agree, in the end, Judy doesn't go out of her way for V and that was disappointing. BUT, I truly felt joy when I saw her at the nomad camp - it had been such a long game run that I missed her and I was hopeful for a reunion.

Unfortunately, then the reunion wasn't in depth either, and ended abruptly. I thought she would ask more questions about my condition and ask about Johnny's construct, but that didn't happen. She was just sad about leaving night city and I had to cheer her up.

I swear, Judy, if you weren't so hot, had a great voice actress AND if you weren't the only f/f love interest...

 

[SaulTuk]

Is that why she is all about getting Evelyn, her ex girlfriend, out of the clutches of a band of snuff porn rapists? Nope, don't really agree on that one

Self-centered people are also capable of such deeds, but not for the people they're helping, but for their own well-being. Evelyn abduction made Judy feel bad, so she mustered her hosts and put a balm on her discomfort. And she probably loved Evelyn and Maiko a lot more, than V, because she didn't do a thing to help her. She could at least ask, how can she help V, she has a connections with two gangs, the Moxes and Tiger Claws.

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I agree, in the end, Judy doesn't go out of her way for V and that was disappointing. BUT, I truly felt joy when I saw her at the nomad camp - it had been such a long game run that I missed her and I was hopeful for a reunion.

Unfortunately, then the reunion wasn't in depth either, and ended abruptly. I thought she would ask more questions about my condition and ask about Johnny's construct, but that didn't happen. She was just sad about leaving night city and I had to cheer her up.

I swear, Judy, if you weren't so hot, had a great voice actress AND if you weren't the only f/f love interest...

Judy only does what Judy pleases). And she is real pro in manipulating people to also do what she pleases).

 

[Hammerstein]

"Johny-meter", having the max achievable value of 70, also seems like a wound from content cut. I suppose, johny-meter should affect the ending in terms of psyche separation side effects in the end.

Speaking of Johnny-Meter: it's also completely messed up that you need to max that, if you want an ending where neither Saul nor Rogue have to die. It makes no sense. A player who decides to reject Johnny has no such options.

 

[HellKnightX88]

Speaking of Johnny-Meter: it's also completely messed up that you need to max that, if you want an ending where neither Saul nor Rogue have to die. It makes no sense. A player who decides to reject Johnny has no such options.

I thought it was also tied to picking very specific conversation options in one of his quests.

 

[jahkin]

Self-centered people are also capable of such deeds, but not for the people they're helping, but for their own well-being. Evelyn abduction made Judy feel bad, so she mustered her hosts and put a balm on her discomfort. And she probably loved Evelyn and Maiko a lot more, than V, because she didn't do a thing to help her. She could at least ask, how can she help V, she has a connections with two gangs, the Moxes and Tiger Claws.

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Judy only does what Judy pleases). And she is real pro in manipulating people to also do what she pleases).

I could say the same about Panam, only wanting to help to impress her tribe, and SAUL! SAUL! ALL ABOUT SAUL ON MY MIND! ... and that sweet butt of hers I guess

All a matter of preferences and personal opinion, like and dislike...I like Panam, but also am pretty much annoyed by her, if that makes sense...Judy feels a little more "real" to me

 

[Galerion90]

Speaking of Johnny-Meter: it's also completely messed up that you need to max that, if you want an ending where neither Saul nor Rogue have to die. It makes no sense. A player who decides to reject Johnny has no such options.

Ehm Arasaka ending? It gets neither of them involved.

 

[SaulTuk]

Speaking of Johnny-Meter: it's also completely messed up that you need to max that, if you want an ending where neither Saul nor Rogue have to die. It makes no sense. A player who decides to reject Johnny has no such options.

It's a complicated matter and i for myself have doubts and contradictions. From the one hand, Johny-meter can represent his good will to V, which could spare V from psyche separation side-effects (6 months crap). From the other, Johny-meter could mean the level of V and Johny's psyches entanglement, meaning that for clean separation V need low (!) Johny-meter. Plot-wise it would mean deliberate denial of his side-quest. I mean, no friendly chat with Johny, no "assumming direct control" so Johny could ask Rogue out or play a gig with an old band, nothing. That is your bittersweet ending with gain and sacrifice - in order to save his life, V should sacrifice a friendship with Johny, deny him the chance to redeem himself and make amends with his friends and beloved Rogue.

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I could say the same about Panam, only wanting to help to impress her tribe, and SAUL! SAUL! ALL ABOUT SAUL ON MY MIND! ... and that sweet butt of hers I guess

All a matter of preferences and personal opinion, like and dislike...I like Panam, but also am pretty much annoyed by her, if that makes sense...Judy feels a little more "real" to me

I, for myself, do not like woman such as Panam that much - a bit too warrior queen to me. Judy is much more gentle, deep and feminine, alas, she is pure lesbian(

 

[TintelFruit]

Ehm Arasaka ending? It gets neither of them involved.

the Arasaka mikoshi ending, the johnny ending and the suicide ending are all bad endings though because V ends up putting their life in the hands of people they shouldn’t trust.

Yeah nobody else dies but V still hurts a lot of people by literally disappearing.

 

[Simuxas]

None of the meters really does sanything in the game, which is sad.
Like half of the game.

 

[SaulTuk]

None of the meters really does sanything in the game, which is sad.

I have found faint traces of Street Cred influence. For example, high enough SC, and Wakako says that you're really valuable pro to her, so she simply get you that snuff BD needed to find Evelyn. Another example - bouncer of night club in "Violence" side job simply let you in, saying that you're allright and upstandind citizen).
What this game could possibly be, given another 1-2 years! With meters affecting the endings, and stuff.

 

[Kamarov112]

I see that people want at least one a happy one,

Hmm.. per my point of view, Panam's ending isn't actually that bad. V survives and moves on with Aldecaldo clan.
Alt said that she couldn't cure V's condition but that means nothing more that she couldn't. It doesn't mean no-one could. And since the implied deal between Biotechnica and Aldecaldo...

 

[Galerion90]

the suicide ending

their life in the hands of people they shouldn’t trust.

Haha is that the case of the classical don't even trust yourself?

Yeah nobody else dies but V still hurts a lot of people by literally disappearing.

Nope you can go back to NC and spent the rest of the your time as you see fit.

 

[lokozar]

Again, I just don't think a character's death renders what happens before meaningless.

Have to agree here. In the end, it's death that gives everything that came before meaning.

However, I still want endings that better respect and reflect the way I played V. If I constantly have the feeling I cannot play a (chosen) CDPR game that lets me "win" in one way or the other, I simply stop playing games from CDPR, at some point.

 

[TintelFruit]

Haha is that the case of the classical don't even trust yourself?


Nope you can go back to NC and spent the rest of the your time as you see fit.

No you can’t really trust yourself if you think suicide is a way to fix things IMO.

That’s why I mentioned the Mikoshi ending specifically, the one where you wave your human rights and actually get soulkillered.

 

[lokozar]

None of the meters really does sanything in the game, which is sad.
Like half of the game.

These meters btw. are strange as hell. You cannot get any of them to 100%, as I understand it. Maybe that's something for the DLCs. Since the Johnny meter influences whether we get the secret end mission or not, this somehow gives me hope, that they will add extra endings then as well.

 

[Simuxas]

No you can’t really trust yourself if you think suicide is a way to fix things IMO.

That’s why I mentioned the Mikoshi ending specifically, the one where you wave your human rights and actually get soulkillered.

V gets soulkilled in glory and Aldecado endings, V doesnt get soulkilled in Arasaka one.

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These meters btw. are strange as hell. You cannot get any of them to 100%, as I understand it. Maybe that's something for the DLCs. Since the Johnny meter influences whether we get the secret end mission or not, this somehow gives me hope, that they will add extra endings then as well.

Well the countdown does fuck all, absolutely nothing, Samurai one is pointless aswell.
I feel like they actually had something meaningful towards the ending but got scrapped like 60 percent of the game.