[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[arcsirc]

Exactly. It's Cyberpunk

you do realise that playing straight every genres tropes leads to stagnant storytelling?
besides the long list of masterworks in the genre that don't rely on tacked on tragedy for it's own sake and instead explore provocative themes about existence?
besides the fact this is an rpg with 7 endings that are all the same same same same same same same fucking ending?

 

[TintelFruit]

So what was the narrative purpose of the game presenting Alt's description of Soulkiller as an unchallenged fact?

"One must never place a loaded rifle on the stage if it isn't going to go off. It's wrong to make promises you don't mean to keep."

That’s the point of the cyberpunk world though, EVERYONE lies. Be it out of malice or ignorance.

 

[arcsirc]

So what was the narrative purpose of the game presenting Alt's description of Soulkiller as an unchallenged fact?

"One must never place a loaded rifle on the stage if it isn't going to go off. It's wrong to make promises you don't mean to keep."

because there was no one present in those scenes with higher authority.
the chekovs gun arguement would be more compelling if the narrative didn't fall over itself a dozen different ways elsewhere.

 

[Kashola_]

So what was the narrative purpose of the game presenting Alt's description of Soulkiller as an unchallenged fact?

"One must never place a loaded rifle on the stage if it isn't going to go off. It's wrong to make promises you don't mean to keep."

She gobbles up A.I and wants to make you one too, for her collective. She freaks me the fuck out honestly.

EDIT: Didn't even answer your question, sorry. Idk, it seemed challengable enough to me since we've already had one unreliable narrator in Johnny.

 

[Kikinho]

Exactly. It's Cyberpunk

What a deep and convincing arguement! lol Never heard it before or seen it proven wrong! Thanks for solving this thread lol

 

[Buckadoz]

She gobbles up A.I and wants to make you one too, for her collective. She freaks me the fuck out honestly.

This argument would make sense if she told you that Soulkiller was actually fine instead of warning you about the consequences of using it...

 

[TintelFruit]

Every ending except the Johnny, suicide and Mikoshi contract end with the real V in control, so very likely if post story Expansions are planned they’ll take of from those endings.

 

[Kikinho]

So what was the narrative purpose of the game presenting Alt's description of Soulkiller as an unchallenged fact?

"One must never place a loaded rifle on the stage if it isn't going to go off. It's wrong to make promises you don't mean to keep."

This! I really don't understand how can people dismiss so easily what Alt said. One of the basic story telling principles is that you don't present the reader/consumer information that is not relevant to the narrative.

 

[arcsirc]

But why? Out of new perspective? V is basically the only person who has the guts to call johnny out on his bs

i'd guess "life", alt has been living in the wilderness of cyberspace, a crucible which has forced her to adapt to survive. Johnny on the other hand has been frozen with his thumb up his ass in an excel spreadsheet until he's injected back into life.

 

[TintelFruit]

This! I really don't understand how can people dismiss so easily what Alt said. One of the basic story telling principles is that you don't present the reader/consumer information that is not relevant to the narrative.

Of course it’s relevant, but it’s from an unreliable narrator which means it might not be the truth or only part of the truth.

 

[Kikinho]

That’s the point of the cyberpunk world though, EVERYONE lies. Be it out of malice or ignorance.

Except Alt is never proved to lie regards to that!

Edit: Like the idea that she is lying about it is pure headcanon because we have no proof that she is lying.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

It all does not change the fact that 7 bleak endings area lousy motivation to play the game.

 

[arcsirc]

This! I really don't understand how can people dismiss so easily what Alt said. One of the basic story telling principles is that you don't present the reader/consumer information that is not relevant to the narrative.

It's can be relevant to the narrative without being word of god. It's not exposition it's dialogue from an imperfect source of knowledge.
Alt is more human than she wants to let on, her motivations are clearly tied to her connection to her past life with johnny, even if she has ulterior motives she has a subtle freakout in mikoshi when you show up without johnny.

 

[TintelFruit]

Except Alt is never proved to lie regards to that!

She also never returned to her own body and her transfer was incomplete, which means she doesn’t truly know what she’s talking about.

People, the word of an AI based on an mortal woman isn’t gospel.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

As a proof of concept, V does feel well in the penam ending.

I guess the change was not really that big for V.

Except the change everyone has to cope with, who has been diagnosed with bs-cancer.

 

[Kashola_]

This argument would make sense if she told you that Soulkiller was actually fine instead of warning you about the consequences of using it...

More like: well you've chosen this and now that you're here "join" me beyond the Blackwall. The warnings could have been sincere, due to her perspective and her own personal experiences. But once it is done she has every reason to try to convince you to stay as an engram only and to join her collective.

 

[Kikinho]

It's can be relevant to the narrative without being word of god. It's not exposition it's dialogue from an imperfect source.

She also never returned to her own body and her transfer was incomplete, which means she doesn’t truly know what she’s talking about.

People, the word of an AI based on an mortal woman isn’t gospel.

But at that point in the narrative we have no reason to believe that she doesn't have a idea about what she is talking about. Both Jhonny and V accepts it as fact. Not even later in the story anyone questions her view on it. Like.. the story itself never gave a reason to believe she has no idea. If anything I trust her word more because she is one of the core elements around the soulkiller.
I am really sorry, I mean no disprespect but your reasoning are pure speculations.

 

[arcsirc]

Except Alt is never proved to lie regards to that!

Edit: Like the idea that she is lying about it is pure headcanon because we have no proof that she is lying.

I am really sorry, I mean no disprespect but your reasoning are pure speculations.

my man, everything about this fuckin game is speculation for me at this point.

 

[StarkHelsing]

An AI is only as smart as the creator allows it to be. An AI develops by looking at data and calculating. AIs can get things wrong and that's also part of the 'Cyberpunk trope' is that they always go the route where they don't fully understand humanity. They end up calculating 'humanity' incorrectly.

Alt is basing her data off of jackpoop. This particular scenario has 'never' happened before. No one has gone through what V has. DNA and psyche rejection, what? What is she basing this data off of, 2020 information? Considering that she was beyond the Blackwall, where data can't go through - barring the Voodoo boys.

If AIs are always right then we should be concerned why AIs are literally buying up all the shares in space travel right now.

 

[Kikinho]

my man, everything about this fuckin game is speculation for me at this point.

That is fine and I am not about to tell you not to have your headcanons. But I'm sorry I just can't change my view on soulkiller based on pure speculations. For me in order to have a reason to question alt, a character ingame, in the game universe would have to question it first.