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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 503 42.0%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 122 10.2%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 354 29.6%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 218 18.2%

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Notserious80

Forum regular
#8,201
Dec 30, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
Because, if the cure "exists" there would be no reason to not let the players get their hands on it
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Setup for the next game/dlc/movie/series im guessing. very poorly done but
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#8,202
Dec 30, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
Because, if the cure "exists" there would be no reason to not let the players get their hands on it
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Aside from:

* Not being in Night City
* Leaving it to the players imagination
* Leaving it to DLC
* Leaving it to sequels
* Not wanting to establish a "Good" ending that everyone will take over more ambiguous ones
 
lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#8,203
Dec 30, 2020
Barsenthor said:
The easiest way to explain this would be to ask youself would you use a Soulkiller if you would be in this situation, knowing everything you know in game. This is that program make a backup copy of your being like memories, skilles and so on. Then it wipe the brain and shut it down. And then in the matter of seconds restarts it with the backup from the biochip.

this would be terrific topic to discuss, and be can only hope that CDPR will do this.
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I agree, but judging by the game's narration, this is NOT about backup.
The narration is continuous from the first person. If V in Soulkiller is a copy, then it should not be in V's body after the reverse transfer. But after copying, it must remain in the same place (as in SOMA, to the surprise of V's copy) or be deleted. But V moves into the body instead. So this is obviously a transfer.
The game, in fact, does not provide an opportunity to switch to another entity. Even playing Johnny in the interlude, V just sees his memory. In case of copying, the game for us had to end in mikoshi. Without any additional epilogues.
The only question here is the ending for Johnny, when he returns body to V in Mikoshi. Here the narration is discontinuous.
 
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tRYSIS3

Senior user
#8,204
Dec 30, 2020
TintelFruit said:
The reason is money, they want to sell us story DLC’s, it’s really that simple.
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They said that they wouldn't withhold story content for DLC, locking a "cure" behind a paywall would be the biggest example of that. I'm 100% sure they are not that stupid
 
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Notserious80

Forum regular
#8,205
Dec 30, 2020
Willowhugger said:
Aside from:

* Not being in Night City
* Leaving it to the players imagination
* Leaving it to DLC
* Leaving it to sequels
* Not wanting to establish a "Good" ending that everyone will take over more ambiguous ones
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Kinda ruins the replayability tho. Why play the game again if it plays out the exact same way? just reload and get the ending you want
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#8,206
Dec 30, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
They said that they wouldn't withhold story content for DLC, locking a "cure" behind a paywall would be the biggest example of that. I'm 100% sure they are not that stupid
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The very nature of DLC is story for payment.
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Notserious80 said:
Kinda ruins the replayability tho. Why play the game again if it plays out the exact same way? just reload and get the ending you want
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Not being an asshole but....you don't play out all the endings that way?
 
TintelFruit

TintelFruit

Forum regular
#8,207
Dec 30, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
They said that they wouldn't withhold story content for DLC, locking a "cure" behind a paywall would be the biggest example of that. I'm 100% sure they are not that stupid
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That’s the curse of having share holders, their morals will become more and more flexible in the name of profit.
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#8,208
Dec 30, 2020
Willowhugger said:
Aside from:

* Not being in Night City
* Leaving it to the players imagination
* Leaving it to DLC
* Leaving it to sequels
* Not wanting to establish a "Good" ending that everyone will take over more ambiguous ones
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Or the most likely option: The story of V is over.

I didn't get the impression that the ending is open, all I thought was that V got fucked over and that's it
 
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Notserious80

Forum regular
#8,209
Dec 30, 2020
Willowhugger said:
The very nature of DLC is story for payment.
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Not being an asshole but....you don't play out all the endings that way?
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Havent even played the endings. Saw the endings comming before it did so. In games that has the option to reload and choose diffrently at just 1 point i kinda guess i would. Just one more point that ruins the game for me
 
TintelFruit

TintelFruit

Forum regular
#8,210
Dec 30, 2020
lolic99 said:
I agree, but judging by the game's narration, this is NOT about backup.
The narration is continuous from the first person. If V in Soulkiller is a copy, then it should not be in V's body after the reverse transfer. But after copying, it must remain in the same place (as in SOMA, to the surprise of V's copy) or be deleted. But V moves into the body instead. So this is obviously a transfer.
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It’s clearly suppose to be like teleportation in Star Trek, yes you’re technically copied, destroyed then rebuilt somewhere else but the “soul” is simply transferred from one place to the other, the person that pops up on the other side isn’t Kirk2 it’s just Kirk.
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#8,211
Dec 30, 2020
Willowhugger said:
The very nature of DLC is story for payment.
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I'm aware of what DLC is. This would be more like a soccer game where you can't score goals, you have to pay extra to be able to do that.

If the purpose of the game was to leave NC with Panam then we'd be having a different conversation, but if the game is about finding a cure and you can only find said cure if you pay extra, then that's an entirely different story than just "DLC".
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#8,212
Dec 30, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
I'm aware of what DLC is. This would be more like a soccer game where you can't score goals, you have to pay extra to be able to do that.

If the purpose of the game was to leave NC with Panam then we'd be having a different conversation, but if the game is about finding a cure and you can only find said cure if you pay extra, then that's an entirely different story.
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I don't see how the game can not follow up on the cure given the ending.
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Notserious80 said:
Havent even played the endings. Saw the endings comming before it did so. In games that has the option to reload and choose diffrently at just 1 point i kinda guess i would. Just one more point that ruins the game for me
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Weird, I think this would be defined as, "Allowing you to enjoy all the content."
 
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Notserious80

Forum regular
#8,213
Dec 30, 2020
Willowhugger said:
Weird, I think this would be defined as, "Allowing you to enjoy all the content."
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I wouldent. I would like to make choices along the way that made the ending happend. And replay the game with several diffrent chars but its kinda pointless in this game since it allways plays out the same way. Only thing that can change is the combat
 
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tRYSIS3

Senior user
#8,214
Dec 30, 2020
Willowhugger said:
I don't see how the game can not follow up on the cure given the ending.
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If the cure exists in the DLC, what would be the point of playing the main story? why not just play the DLC?

You are also assuming that the optional ending would be canon which is the least likely to happen
 
lokozar

lokozar

Fresh user
#8,215
Dec 30, 2020
arcsirc said:
ah Mr let's talk about my dastardly plan while the patsie is in the toilet then give the player no option to react to the highly sketchy dialogue going on outside.
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For me, this was honestly the worst scene in the whole game, apart from the endings. I knew exactly what would happen. It wasn't in the slightest hard to guess. So much so, that I really thought: "Aha! ... They make us think we know what happens next, but then they spin it around, for the surprise! Surely that must be ... *BAM*" Hm, nope ...
 
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I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#8,216
Dec 30, 2020
lolic99 said:
I agree, but judging by the game's narration, this is NOT about backup.
The narration is continuous from the first person. If V in Soulkiller is a copy, then it should not be in V's body after the reverse transfer. But after copying, it must remain in the same place (as in SOMA, to the surprise of V's copy) or be deleted. But V moves into the body instead. So this is obviously a transfer.
The game, in fact, does not provide an opportunity to switch to another entity. Even playing Johnny in the interlude, V just sees his memory. In case of copying, the game for us had to end in mikoshi. Without any additional epilogues.
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Absolutely plausible.

I would be convinced from the opposite, if V would undergo certain changes after mikosi but V is bahaving like V. No sudden changes in behavior.

Misty can still read the cards for us so even in a spiritual sense, we are still here. Maybe not unchanged, because all we can do is saving the status quo but it's nonetheless V.

V with alterations caused by the trauma (in this case literally) of the story. But isn't that the meaning of life? Change? Progress?

It feels like the cancer is there to deny the audience closure and that is just bad. BTW. Nobody complained when Gerald was allowed to ride into the sunset with his love interest.
 
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TintelFruit

Forum regular
#8,217
Dec 30, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
If the cure exists in the DLC, what would be the point of playing the main story? why not just play the DLC?

You are also assuming that the optional ending would be canon which is the least likely to happen
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There is no canon though, any post story DLC will likely factor in any decision made in the base game.
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#8,218
Dec 30, 2020
TintelFruit said:
That’s the curse of having share holders, their morals will become more and more flexible in the name of profit.
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Well, being greedy hasn't worked out well for them so far. It wouldn't be very smart to try their luck again with something like that
 
I_Willenbrock_I

I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#8,219
Dec 30, 2020
lokozar said:
For me, this was honestly the worst scene in the whole game, apart from the endings. I knew exactly what would happen. It wasn't in the slightest hard to guess. So much so, that I really thought: "Aha! ... They make us think we know what happens next, but then they spin it around, for the surprise! Surely that must be ... *BAM*" Hm, nope ...
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Yeah. CDPR spoilered their own major turning point with the trailer. Only difference is that T-Bug was toasted by black ice and that we don't have mantis blades and were at least able to put up a fight.
 
TintelFruit

TintelFruit

Forum regular
#8,220
Dec 30, 2020
I_Willenbrock_I said:
Absolutely plausible.

I would be convinced from the opposite, if V would undergo certain changes after mikosi but V is bahaving like V. No sudden changes in behavior.

Misty can still read the cards for us so even in a spiritual sense, we are still here. Maybe not unchanged, because all we can do is saving the status quo but it's nonetheless V.

V with alterations caused by the trauma (in this case literally) of the story. But isn't that the meaning of life? Change? Progress?

It feels like the cancer is there to deny the audience closure and that is just bad. BTW. Nobody complained when Gerald was allowed to ride into the sunset with his love interest.
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Just like in the Arasaka ending, V will never be the same again.
 
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