[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[Notserious80]

You thought an next gen RPG was going to release on current gen?

I expected the story to atleast be so. There are good points in it, very true. Its on rails tho and not a single option changes that. Oh and the gfx is nice. not exactly the revolutionary rpg of the decade tho. Some ppl like it and thats fine by me. i just wanna know what the plan is going forward so i can give up or wait for something better.

 

[tRYSIS3]

Well. Sadly, that's how people cope with terminal desease. Especially your close friends want to find a cure.

To quote case from neuromancee: "the Japanese have forgotten more about neurology, than the Chinese will ever know."

I think it's a pretty fitting quote.

Nonetheless. The technology to change DNA and to cure cancer is deeply rooted in the cyberpunk universe. This makes the plot-cancer even more ridiculous.

This is pretty much it and I love that quote. I can also guarantee you that if you take the nomad ending and remove the Panam/Judy part (you are going to Arizona ALONE to find a cure), the perception would be completely different.

 

[SaulTuk]

Thats what i was thinging gonna happen when i reached act 2. But...

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Doesnt rlymatter how you look at it, V had expiration date of 6 months anyway.

You got a bullet to the brain. It’s a common story. Young in your career a job goes south and your fixer decides to cut your loose end. Night city swallowed you and spat you out. That would normally be the end for everyone else.

V manages to cheat death for a while but lives on borrowed time. We just get to decide what to do in that last days.

The endings fit the premise of the main story perfectly.

The side stories and gigs on the other hand are V living her live, making friends and building relationships. Side quest V instills hope. The endings don’t fit the side quest V that well. I guess that might be the source of the disconnect.

Yeah, i felt the same. V is dead already, every breath is gift to be spent wisely. Wealth, success and glory are meaningless garbage for me, so i tried to help as many people as possible.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

I feel weird but....I believe that V survives in Nomad and the casino ending.

Also, Secure your Soul as an immortal member of the ruling class.

I don't actually get the, "V is going to die" argument for the very reasons you state.

We have different interpretations for the endings.

"arasakas best scientists were not able to find a cure" and "Alt says that the damage was too far gone to make you last"

The low effort ending (arasaka ending) leads to your downfall, because hellman (hell-man = devil) doubts that they will soon find a new body for you and even then, you are not part of the ruling class - you are defacto homeless and without rights, because you are not filthy rich or influential like the other members of the program. Let's say that the give your new body rights for the sake of argument.
It might be a survival ending or the topic of a new dlc but you only get a chip and a new body - the rest ist just like normal.

The only cure I can see within the games world (ignoring the rest of the cyberpunk lore) is a way to jump start the biochip to alter the brain according to the new engram and to fix the damage.

 

[tRYSIS3]

Well, they just raided Arasaka. NC ist the last place on earth to be for a very long time.

/e
Would not see to much in this.

Well, you just looked for a cure and you found nothing, the last place you wanna go looking in is the desert

If you wanna ignore one part then ignore the other part too

 

[lokozar]

We have different interpretations for the endings.

"arasakas best scientists were not able to find a cure" and "Alt says that the damage was too far gone to make you last"

The low effort ending (arasaka ending) leads to your downfall, because hellman (hell-man = devil) doubts that they will soon find a new body for you and even then, you are not part of the ruling class - you are defacto homeless and without rights, because you are not filthy rich or influential like the other members of the program. Let's say that the give your new body rights for the sake of argument.
It might be a survival ending or the topic of a new dlc but you only get a chip and a new body - the rest ist just like normal.

The only cure I can see within the games world (ignoring the rest of the cyberpunk lore) is a way to jump start the biochip to alter the brain according to the new engram and to fix the damage.

The Arasaka upload ending even lets V waive all his/her human rights. With a company like that, it's clear to me, that V is incredibly dead, the moment he/she is digitzed. The "beauty" of this solution is, that you become data, the property of Arasaka, and can be erased without any fear of breaking the law. Best you can hope for is that parts of you end up as a training program in an Arasaka military facility.

 

[Barsenthor]

Going with the story outside of the NC is not only lore breaking since Cyberpunk is NC the same as Batman is Gotham City but also it would lead to accusations that not only that game was stripped out the content but now it’s in so FUBAR state that they are cutting whole NC out and going with Rage/Borderlands 2077

If any it will be Crystal Palace DLC and maybe there you would look for the cure.

I think that even if there were plans with other DLC the issue with endings needs to be fixed in the FO3 manner not ME3.
The first gave the Bethesda another chance they they use with great TESV and FO4, the second crippled Bioware.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

The Arasaka upload ending even lets V waive all his/her human rights. With a company like that, it's clear to me, that V is incredibly dead, the moment he/she is digitzed. The "beauty" of this solution is, that you become data, the property of Arasaka, and can be erased without any fear of breaking the law. Best you can hope for is that parts of you end up as a training program in an Arasaka military facility.

That's true but arasaka does not waste talent.
They would more likely make you an "employee" well. We killed Adam Smasher and defeated one of the best bodyguards so there are lots of free jobs in the company.

Even if you leave with your plot-cancer, hannako calls you to do some jobs for her, because she hates wasting talent.
For my corpo V, it would be back to barfing from stress.

 

[Barsenthor]

The Arasaka upload ending even lets V waive all his/her human rights. With a company like that, it's clear to me, that V is incredibly dead, the moment he/she is digitzed. The "beauty" of this solution is, that you become data, the property of Arasaka, and can be erased without any fear of breaking the law. Best you can hope for is that parts of you end up as a training program in an Arasaka military facility.

Considering that this is done by Hanako it’s pretty obvious that V will be rewritten in order to fits the needs of Arasaka family.
Nothing will go to waste in Arasaka.
Johnny even says this that in Mikoshi they reprogram people. Before relic 2.0 it was only about date but with the relic 2.0 possibilities are endless.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

Considering that this is done by Hanako it’s pretty obvious that V will be rewritten in order to feet’s the needs of Arasaka family.
Nothing will go to waste in Arasaka.
Johnny even says this that in Mikoshi they reprogram people. Before relic 2.0 it was only about date but with the relic 2.0 possibilities are endless.

This is btw themed in a discussion in Vs apartment house. Two choombs are discussing behavioral alterations to criminals.

 

[lokozar]

That's true but arasaka does not waste talent.
They would more likely make you an "employee" well. We killed Adam Smasher and defeated one of the best bodyguards so there are lots of free jobs in the company.

Even if you leave with your plot-cancer, hannako calls you to do some jobs for her, because she hates wasting talent.
For my corpo V, it would be back to barfing from stress.

Considering that this is done by Hanako it’s pretty obvious that V will be rewritten in order to fits the needs of Arasaka family.
Nothing will go to waste in Arasaka.
Johnny even says this that in Mikoshi they reprogram people. Before relic 2.0 it was only about date but with the relic 2.0 possibilities are endless.

You both make it even worse! ... They rewrite V and we have to fight him/her as the next Adam-Smasher-end-boss-wanna-be!

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

You both make it even worse! ... They rewrite V and we have to fight him/her as the next Adam-Smasher-end-boss-wanna-be!

Hey. You do know how they bound smasher to arasaka right?

 

[lokozar]

Hey. You do know how they bound smasher to arasaka right?

Lalalalala ... Don't wanna hear it! ... CDPR hire me, I know how to piss people off! Stock plummeting inclusive ...

 

[DataEntity.390]

That's true but arasaka does not waste talent.
They would more likely make you an "employee" well. We killed Adam Smasher and defeated one of the best bodyguards so there are lots of free jobs in the company.

Even if you leave with your plot-cancer, hannako calls you to do some jobs for her, because she hates wasting talent.
For my corpo V, it would be back to barfing from stress.

Exactly, a little bit of psycosurgery and Goro get a replacement / understudy depending on if you saved him or not. And even if they don't particularly care Goro-senpai cares and Hellman would definitely like a new guinea pig.

Regarding the endings in general; I get the feeling that they all set up a continuation of V's story. Especially with what they have foreshadowed with Mr. Blue Eyes. In the end 6 months is quite a long time to fit a story into.

 

[Barsenthor]

Hey. You do know how they bound smasher to arasaka right?

But the Smasher was only one guy. Here you have a template that can be improved and be uploaded to any new host they will find suitable.
The Devil ending must be a devil ending

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Exactly, a little bit of psycosurgery and Goro get a replacement / understudy depending on if you saved him or not. And even if they don't particularly care Goro-senpai cares and Hellman would definitely like a new guinea pig.

Probably with some new things added to the V program like poetry, Japanese culture and Arasaka work ethics so V won’t make any more stupid massages remarks.
Ofc V will be the more devoted to Saburo than Goro would ever be.

i think that this would be great story for expansion - to fight against the programming. This would be a far better story than RoboCop was.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

The devil in tarot has a different meaning though.

It represents freedom from chains but also getting chained by our principles. It's basically being stubborn and following our ideas without thinking, while being seduced.

When misty layed us out cards, the devil was upside down und in fact, she was right.

We got rid of johnny but chained ourselves to arasaka.


The Christian devil and the devil in tarot are something different.

 

[SaulTuk]

The devil in tarot has a different meaning though.

It represents freedom from chains but also getting chained by our principles. It's basically being stubborn and following our ideas without thinking, while being seduced.

When misty layed us out cards, the devil was upside down und in fact, she was right.

We got rid of johnny but chained ourselves to arasaka.


The Christian devil and the devil in tarot are something different.

Better to die in sands than deal with capitalists)

 

[Doberman999]

Even if you are going to fail in you endeavor, in story terms, this failure must have a reason.
This must teach the audience something about life. Main character of Wolf Of Wall Street failed big time. Did people were pissed?
Main character of Armageddon died at the end of movie? People were pissed?
Those are two side of the same coin.

and this is where CP77 fail big time. Besides the Arasaka ending there is no justification of this failure in story. You died game over, deal with it.
This is why I like Arasaka ending but it has it own shortfalls like it wasn’t never games agenda to be pro-corpo.
but even in this endings there is no escape from bad ending.
Why do you must die? Game/story doesn’t give an answer, it even contradicts it self with whole DNA altering, that here works like a badly used Deus Ex machine.

It can’t just go like this, base a whole story around this and than after 100h says: “truth is, the game was rigged from the start”.

Endings are bad and this is said from someone who likes dark endings.

It's true. There are stories about the anti-hero. Like Breaking Bad, like Dexter Morgan, like Yagami Light from the death note. In all these stories, MC deserves to die, despite what we're worried about him. (hell, even Dexter Morgan is still alive.)

Johnny Silverhand deserves to die. He killed 12k people in the Arasaka Tower bombing. Not all of them were bad people. You can complete the game by eliminating enemies non-lethally. Therefore, V can be a hero, or it can be an anti-hero. (Don't confuse this concept with antagonist. These are different things). But at best, it gets a shelf life of 6 months.

Although, this is not even a story about an antihero. cdpr: "Hey guys. Don't you want to see the story of a loser who tried to survive but couldn't?" No one is interested in failure stories. Everyone watches movies, reads books with success stories. And if the MC dies, then the viewer should feel that this death is not in vain. Like in the movie Armageddon

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

But the Smasher was only one guy. Here you have a template that can be improved and be uploaded to any new host they will find suitable.
The Devil ending must be a devil ending

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Probably with some new things added to the V program like poetry, Japanese culture and Arasaka work ethics so V won’t make any more stupid massages remarks.
Ofc V will be the more devoted to Saburo than Goro would ever be.

i think that this would be great story for expansion - to fight against the programming. This would be a far better story than RoboCop was.

Or our engram gets copied and saved by an underground organisation or rival company to fight our now evil and loyal self that was altered by arasaka.

 

[HarperCharlie]

I am also dissapointed beacuse it seems there is not even one happy ending where V can live and heal up damage that shard did to him/her.

I mean how can you make 6 endings, not not give even one happy one.... So all endings are meaningless because we either die before last missions, we die during last mission by losing our body or we die few months after winning our body and mind back.

WTF?

Did CDPR have too many razors in office?

I´m disappointed too, there is no a happy ending. I mean, we speak of nanites (very very little Robots), which reprogram and delete V´s mind. Why aren´t exist (it´s an opportunity) nanites in a secret Arasaka Facility, which can fights again and reprogram the Soulkiller nanites, something like a reinsurance for the Arasaka´s. E.g. V can get this information from Takamura, when she/he rescues him, where V meets Hanako for the first time. I see no reason, why this can´t be an opportunity for a happy ending. But please tell me, when I miss something in the story or lore of cyberpunk, which makes this opportunity impossible.

Sry for the english, it´s not my native language.