I hacked everyone to bitsspeak for yourself , my V barely killed anyone, non-lethal & stealth whereever possible
Indeed, the whole game you act like a pawn and for hope of survival, yet, you just die being an errand boy for other people plans. Could have had an ending where V finds a way to cure and take matter in his/her hands and stops being a pawn in this god forgotten city and becomes someone like Vik, close to friends and thinking/doing things for yourself.
Can someone explain to me why the hell putting V's engram into another body wouldn't work?
The reason in game seems contrived for sake of having all endings end in V's death, it seems forced.
No person with the same phenotype? So why did it work with Johnny on V? Plot reasons it seems.
The whole plot about Saburo using his son's body seems to be added at the end to write away reasons for saving V.
Forcing us into these endings just made the whole story full of plot holes.
The reason in game seems contrived for sake of having all endings end in V's death, it seems forced.
No person with the same phenotype? So why did it work with Johnny on V? Plot reasons it seems.
The whole plot about Saburo using his son's body seems to be added at the end to write away reasons for saving V.
Forcing us into these endings just made the whole story full of plot holes.
That is a damn good point, I was wondering it too like Johnnys stuff works bot not yours?
and why Johnny was even on that chip in the first place? He has the best plot armor, ever!
So i havent finished the game yet. Hade a strong feeling of, shit i know where this is heading before starting the "act3" part. Looked it up and pretty much spent the entire day watching this thread. I dont wanna play anymore tbh. Feels like ME3 all over again. That same feeling of emptyness and beeing lied to. Choises matter? In what way? What choise does anything in this game? Story plays out on rails.
First time i did The Heist mission i though i did something wrong, reloaded but same outcome. Played a diffrent char with a diffrent start and still exacly the same outcome. Great repleayability? You kidding me? Havent found a single thing that changes the story at all so far. The main point of a choises matters game is that choises matter.
Sure you can spec your char diffrently. There are diffrent playstyles and so on. The combat is not the issue the issue is the lack of choise.
First time i did The Heist mission i though i did something wrong, reloaded but same outcome. Played a diffrent char with a diffrent start and still exacly the same outcome. Great repleayability? You kidding me? Havent found a single thing that changes the story at all so far. The main point of a choises matters game is that choises matter.
Sure you can spec your char diffrently. There are diffrent playstyles and so on. The combat is not the issue the issue is the lack of choise.
Yeah I understand that a lot of people feel a dark ending is the only way but the fact that we get little to no say in what happens is what's frustrating. If there had been an ending where you can cure yourself and live but fade into obscurity, live a normal life like Vik and never become a legend, an ending where you blow everything up and go out in a huge fireball of glory, an ending where you merge with Johnny and become someone that is neither V or Johnny, an ending where you can steal someone else's body with V's engram as V's original body dies and then struggle with soul and identity, in addition to the original letting Johnny take over your body etc...none of them are a rainbows and unicorns ending but it gives you some agency and some more variety.
Hello, I read some of the posts here and agree with a lot of the sentiment, and sorry if I might repeat some points already write here but feel the need to say it.
Personally don't like open-world games that make an ending too "final", why I will go back and play again?, Corpo? street kid? romance? what change? there are side missions to do but V is not in NC anymore or if he is he is alone (kind ish).
I know that a lot of people like or accept that, but I sympathize a lot with those who want a happy ending.
Game of Thrones has a way to deal with loss and lose, but over exaggerate and I never see the last season because it's too much loss and lose no hope for anything else, GoT making me understand that a simple "Happy ever after" has a deep meaning that cannot be underestimated.
V lost a lot in the starting of the game you (the player) make a lot to get back, to reconnect with people, making friends, try to have a harmonic relationship with Silverhand, then you starting losing again, the Evelyn ending, the Judy ending, Panam, every one it's distancing from V and then you have to choose how V will end, just don't drop well with me.
Also, the final mission start too soon feels that could be more main mission before entering in final mission mode.
After playing one ending, look at others, and really don't have any motivation to start a new play, keep playing sides quests, upgrading gear, looking for legendary weapons or new challenges.
The DLCs probably will not set after the endings, all will maybe be before so I guess it's the end, hope it's not but after seeing the endings don't know.
Personally don't like open-world games that make an ending too "final", why I will go back and play again?, Corpo? street kid? romance? what change? there are side missions to do but V is not in NC anymore or if he is he is alone (kind ish).
I know that a lot of people like or accept that, but I sympathize a lot with those who want a happy ending.
Game of Thrones has a way to deal with loss and lose, but over exaggerate and I never see the last season because it's too much loss and lose no hope for anything else, GoT making me understand that a simple "Happy ever after" has a deep meaning that cannot be underestimated.
V lost a lot in the starting of the game you (the player) make a lot to get back, to reconnect with people, making friends, try to have a harmonic relationship with Silverhand, then you starting losing again, the Evelyn ending, the Judy ending, Panam, every one it's distancing from V and then you have to choose how V will end, just don't drop well with me.
Also, the final mission start too soon feels that could be more main mission before entering in final mission mode.
After playing one ending, look at others, and really don't have any motivation to start a new play, keep playing sides quests, upgrading gear, looking for legendary weapons or new challenges.
The DLCs probably will not set after the endings, all will maybe be before so I guess it's the end, hope it's not but after seeing the endings don't know.
same, genuinely tried to save Jackie because CDPR were playing coy before the release praising how much we can affect the story. sweet summer child, me
I've finished the game once as a Corpo. Just started as a Nomad... Seeing Jackie and saving the Corpo girl at the start already brought up that feeling of "Why are you doing this? None of this will matter"...
Yes indeed, though I would be happy just with nice ending where V survives, not asking much of indepth ideas, just a simple thing.
This bothers me so much... They advertised the game as "You make your own path" styled. In the end you make your own path, yeah. They just all lead to the same border crossing where you must declare which ending you want to see...
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I could live with the Nomad ending minus the 6 months thing... That was totally unnecessary and adds nothing to the character, since we don't even get to experience those 6 months. Just a credits roll...
If not those damn 6 moths, they could have put you back in the city to continue with the gigs explaining that you came back after some time with your friends.
I'd actually be a lot more okay with that, if that was some kind of twist you discovered later in the game. That V dying was apart of the prologue and you play as the engram for the rest of the game.
Because you're not committed to V yet. Yes, it sucks, but all those relationships you built and things you did would feel more earned, I guess.
And hey, if you copy the engram(putting aside whether or not the engram has a soul or not), you still killing the engram or, since because the engram is already data, is that just moving around a file to a thumbstick and then back to a computer. Is it still the same file?
That's a better question than the original, I think.
I believed we'd be able to affect the outcome of that mission before the game came out but when it came out there was so much foreshadowing about his death I was like "damnit, that stupid trailer is canon." Everything from meeting in the "Afterlife" before your mission to Jackie saying he could retire after this mission to the stuff about his mom and Misty being worried about them and he feels like he's lying when he says everything's ok to him having a signature drink thought up and the only way people get a signature drink on the menu is dying in a blaze of glory. Plus I stealthed past everything and never got shot at aside from the cutscene with the AV shooting at you.
Because the chip Silverhand was stored on was one of a kind prototype Arasaka tech incorporating nanites that actively rebuilt the host for the new occupant.
Silverhand was on the shard most likely because Yorinobu wanted to stick it to his father in more ways than one.
Ok, so what stops them from doing that again? Plot holes.
One of a kind prototype? So remake the prototype, you have Hellman and all the brightest minds again. You have an engram of V. What more is necessary? The answer is nothing. So why is it not done? Because the writers want you to boohoo and see V die.
One of a kind? So what kind was the one that Saburo used on his son? That one came out of nowhere it seems. It's just whatever fits for the writers it seems.
You have the blueprints, you have the inventor of the chip, you have the scientists for it. The story carries itself from the beginning as if Arasaka could help you but you are wanted by them and they want you dead -- so when Hanako takes over for her father they needed to make another excuse for it not to work.
Yup... We all know exactly how you feelin' right now... I've reinstalled the game, started a second playthrough, and dropped it again just after entering V's apartment for the first time...
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What you call plot holes, I call DLC material
The best part is that my V hade 100 instantheal packs, dident even try using it on Jakie. And if Jackie dident hand over the chip to V, would we have been a bystander to Johnny/jackie the rest of the game?