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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 411 45.0%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 84 9.2%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 269 29.4%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 150 16.4%

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hismastersvoice

hismastersvoice

Forum veteran
#861
Dec 15, 2020
kaz_ds said:
So why even let you go then? Why even ask for your permission to put you into Mikoshi? They didn't ask Johnny about that. And I would wager you are as much of a thorn in their side as he was in that case. They have nothing but risks for letting you go, and as you say they are evil so there is no point in that. Plot hole.
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They offer you the Mikoshi solution because of Takemura's influence. And what risk do you pose? You're a washed up solo with months of life.
 
Kyrus

Kyrus

Fresh user
#862
Dec 15, 2020
I don't really have much words about the endings... just disappointed, that's about it... I went the Panam path and it was good... but still didn't feel satisfied... maybe if there was some hint that there'd be a cyberpunk 2077 2 or something that would elude to you working out how to save yourself... but then that wouldn't fit with the other endings so it's a bit of a corner that your painted into in terms of "hoping for the future"

So the message from the matrix: gotta loose to win
message from CP2077: gotta win to loose?
 
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Kikinho

Kikinho

Senior user
#863
Dec 15, 2020
Motsie said:
It absolutely is, which is why the whole concept of whether the engram V is still V is not definitive, and anyone claiming otherwise is attempting to simplify an incredibly complex talking point.

The cyberpunk universe has arrived at a point of continued existence (in cyberspace). Alt achieved that but it has shaped and changed her entirely. That isn't to say that this process was immediate. Alt's change occurred over 50 years in a completely new environment. Of course she is going to change... how can you not in an environment like cyberspace?

This is the equivalent to the paths we take and how that shapes us going forward. If we subscribe to the concept of divergent timelines, there are probably versions of myself, apart from physical appearance, that are unrecognizable. My future self is a continuation of my past self. And my current self gives rise to my future self.

Is 5 year old me still 29 year old me? Besides some memories I have nothing in common with my 5 year old self. Consider the impermanence of memory - am I still me if I have my memory completely wiped? Is my grandfather still the same person if he has lost his memory to Alzheimer's?

V's transfer into a computer is no different from continued existence. We don't know how much this experience has changed him. If he remains he will likely develop a new understanding and perspective in the same way Alt has. Johnny is likely going to be unrecognizable since he wants to remain with Alt. What we do know is that the transfer has allowed V to retain his identity, memories, experiences, etc.

V staying or leaving cyberspace is simply continued existence.
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That is, until he dies in half a year. Meaning we will never know the meaning and consequence of our choices on the long run.
 
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Buho28

Buho28

Fresh user
#864
Dec 15, 2020
casbyness said:
Ironically, the game is missing the one profoundly obvious ending choice that often defines cyberpunk as a genre.

It is missing the Ghost In the Shell (original) movie ending - the classic outcome where V and Johnny's consciousnesses merge into a new combined being that is simultaneously neither and both of them.

I mean - I agree it's ALSO missing a happy ending where V manages to eradicate Johnny and live a full happy life afterwards, but more importantly its missing the merge/evolution ending that is usually the staple of cyberpunk. Such endings are the logical conclusion or punchline to the genre, fulfilling the post-human potential of 'digital souls'. I'm staggered that the writing team didn't include this ending, it's so obvious as a story branch I have no idea how they missed it.

To be honest, it kinda makes me wonder how much they even understand the cyberpunk genre or what gives it artistic significance.
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i thought the Delamain quest was hinting at an ending like this. disappointed when it didnt show up
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#865
Dec 15, 2020
Kyrus said:
I don't really have much words about the endings... just disappointed, that's about it... I went the Panam path and it was good... but still didn't feel satisfied... maybe if there was some hint that there'd be a cyberpunk 2077 2 or something that would elude to you working out how to save yourself... but then that wouldn't fit with the other endings so it's a bit of a corner that your painted into in terms of "hoping for the future"

So the message from the matrix: gotta loose to win
message from CP2077: gotta win to loose?
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You don't rly win anything (depending on the end, maybe some new friends) it is just : you play to loose.
 
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kaz_ds

kaz_ds

Forum regular
#866
Dec 15, 2020
hismastersvoice said:
The offer you the Mikoshi solution because of Takemura's influence. And what risk do you pose? You're a washed up solo with months of life.
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The same risk you present to them if you decide the other ending where you go to Crystal Palace, there is still fight left in V.
They spend money on putting him through this treatment and putting him into space, for what? For information? Just to send him away at the end just because he says no? That seems pretty weak to me.

What kind of influence does Takemura have? I must've slept through that part because that was never stated., he is a loyalist to the core. He didn't seem to have much say in what happens with you tho -- that was up to Hanako. So we are back at the same point. Why even bother with you then, if they lied to you they could have just ditched you right away. They could have put you into Mikoshi right away.
 
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Kikinho

Kikinho

Senior user
#867
Dec 15, 2020
TBH I feel like there are multiple discussions and arguements going on right now side by side. Some trying justify and explain the story, and some simply stating the feeling and emotions the ending left behind in them. And it seems to be a universal agreement that feel is emptiness, lack of satisfaction and closure, depression.

And those emotions are fact. By "explaining" to the plot and narrative to us won't change the way the ending left us feel. And it won't change the fact that it kills replayablity for many. All we ask is for CDPR to hear us and offer an alternative ending so we can feel like we can enjoy this game further in future content.
 
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BGM45

BGM45

Forum regular
#868
Dec 15, 2020
kaz_ds said:
The same risk you present to them if you decide the other ending where you go to Crystal Palace, there is still fight left in V.
They spend money on putting him through this treatment and putting him into space, for what? For information? Just to send him away at the end just because he says no? That seems pretty weak to me.

What kind of influence does Takemura have? I must've slept through that part because that was never stated., he is a loyalist to the core. He didn't seem to have much say in what happens with you tho -- that was up to Hanako. So we are back at the same point. Why even bother with you then, if they lied to you they could have just ditched you right away. They could have put you into Mikoshi right away.
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I mean they could pull a RE5 Jill Valentine trick and make V their henchman. for example, by putting them into a cyber-body like Smasher or just a very jacked-up meat sleeve. by the end of the game, V is like a top-tier asset with all the skills and experience. and in this case trying to get out of their control and regain your independence would be an interesting plot for a DLC or sequel, and certainly much better than 6 months to live.
 
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Notserious80

Forum regular
#869
Dec 15, 2020
Just though ofg another thing, in the bathroom in noname motel washing your face you can hear Dex making arangements for 1 seet on a shuttle. And still you walk out like an idiot... Like i said no choise at all. There were millions of points i feelt like V could have done something diffrent and i hade not way of doing it.
 
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hismastersvoice

hismastersvoice

Forum veteran
#870
Dec 15, 2020
kaz_ds said:
The same risk you present to them if you decide the other ending where you go to Crystal Palace, there is still fight left in V.
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The V from the Arasaka ending can't solve a child's puzzle and trips on a treadmill.

kaz_ds said:
He didn't seem to have much say in what happens with you tho -- that was up to Hanako.
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Takemura states that Hanako offered V a spot in the Mikoshi. He would obviously have sway as the person that helped save Hanako and reinstate Saburo.
 
BGM45

BGM45

Forum regular
#871
Dec 15, 2020
Notserious80 said:
Just though ofg another thing, in the bathroom in noname motel washing your face you can hear Dex making arangements for 1 seet on a shuttle. And still you walk out like an idiot... Like i said no choise at all. There were millions of points i feelt like V could have done something diffrent and i hade not way of doing it.
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yeah, you can't even draw your gun or something.

also, maybe I missed something, but what effect does telling Dex about Evelyn's offer to screw him up have? I ratted Evelyn out and saw no consequences whatsoever.
 
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Buckadoz

Buckadoz

Forum regular
#872
Dec 15, 2020
Anyone who refuses to believe that Soulkiller is the death of original V, what is your take on the "rest" in this Alt line:

"Your consciousness, your neural engrams, will be recorded as data. The rest will cease to exist."
 
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Notserious80

Forum regular
#873
Dec 15, 2020
BGM45 said:
yeah, you can't even draw your gun or something.

also, maybe I missed something, but what effect does telling Dex about Evelyn's offer to screw him up has? I ratted Evelyn out and saw no consequences whatsoever.
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Nothing it seems. i just got past that on my 2 char and played out the same. he gives 40% of nothing but thats it..
 
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kaz_ds

kaz_ds

Forum regular
#874
Dec 15, 2020
hismastersvoice said:
The V from the Arasaka ending can't solve a child's puzzle and trips on a treadmill.



Takemura states that Hanako offered V a spot in the Mikoshi. He would obviously have sway as the person that helped save Hanako and reinstate Saburo.
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I think the point was that Hanako had the influence, and why would she even offer? That's the devil option -- they are evil as you said, they can just choose that for you. But that wouldn't fit well with the theme the writers were going for it seems, they needed to give you a choice. So another plot hole forms. How about the part where Hellman is there instead of Goro, why would Hellman put his influence (if he even has any) for V. Besides, Hanako has no reason to honor her word, with Goro or without, for Mikoshi or any other treatment. So why go through the charade?

Whatever, the more I pick thru this the more it disappoints me how weak some plot points are.
 
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MandyZGaming

MandyZGaming

Forum regular
#875
Dec 15, 2020
Keive said:
Felt like no reason to even improve romances, can't continue them anyway.
I wanted better romance too :(
And then the majority of our life that we saw is that montage... I can't believe it was a montage because we saw it in a trailer, lol.
But so many endings with the same result is so odd isn't it? Never heard of that before, maybe multiple bad ending but not the same fate every time.

Burn the city... think we got burned instead.
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I find it really depressing, that there is no way of surviving this story in the end. You chase for a solution for almost 50 hours and in the end you die whatever you do. Secondly, I´m dissappointed with the romances, because you ain´t really gonna live them out. you get to know that person really well, but in the end you can´t keep them with you. In my case I did the jobs with River, but neither in the nomad ending (wouldn´t come with you) or in the rogue ending (where I left him for the crystal palace, what if I could have a choice, I would never do, because he´s a fantastic and caring man) you really have much of a relationship/romance.
Maybe there will be a DLC, where V finds a solution to not die in that crystal palace (even though we could discuss, if it is the real V) and return back to NC.
I hope for whatever makes my ways of playing relevant. If I choose to have a romance, I want one, not what I/we got. I want an ending, that makes it worth playing and invest time and not to die anyways, no matter what I do. And yes, seeing all those messages in the credits, that tops the depression of the already depressiv endings. Cause the 2 named upon, are not good endings and the rest isn´t any better. And I´ve read this here already, but I too, would rather shoot myself, than let massive shitload of Johnny take my body.
I hope we get something, that betters my mentioned points. Won´t be playing until that, because it makes me feel so depressiv and kind of helpless. Just emptyness maybe. But again, maybe there are people who like CP2077 as it is. Game aside from the mentioned things is really good.
 
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Nekatinyz

Nekatinyz

Forum regular
#876
Dec 15, 2020
BGM45 said:
yeah, you can't even draw your gun or something.

also, maybe I missed something, but what effect does telling Dex about Evelyn's offer to screw him up have? I ratted Evelyn out and saw no consequences whatsoever.
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Nothing, as every choices before final
I tried to write russian, but i cant
Privet tebe dorogoy dryg
 
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hismastersvoice

hismastersvoice

Forum veteran
#877
Dec 15, 2020
MandyZGaming said:
But again, maybe there are people who like CP2077 as it is.
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Well, I do. But I wish you'd get a game you could enjoy too.
 
GreyRaconteur

GreyRaconteur

Fresh user
#878
Dec 15, 2020
Notserious80 said:
Just though ofg another thing, in the bathroom in noname motel washing your face you can hear Dex making arangements for 1 seet on a shuttle. And still you walk out like an idiot... Like i said no choise at all. There were millions of points i feelt like V could have done something diffrent and i hade not way of doing it.
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Right?? The moment I heard that I would've came out blasting.

Hell, they even portray that in one of the trailers. Why wasn't that an option. I know, because it would've derailed the entire plot.
 
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Master_Plot

Master_Plot

Forum regular
#879
Dec 15, 2020
Buckadoz said:
Anyone who refuses to believe that Soulkiller is the death of original V, what is your take on the "rest" in this Alt line:

"Your consciousness, your neural engrams, will be recorded as data. The rest will cease to exist."
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And also this line from Alt
"DNA reconfiguration by the Relic has progressed too far. added to aggressive, invasive medications, the body's immune system attacking its own neurons...
...After I transfer your construct into your body, you will die. it is inevitable, it is imminent"
 
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hismastersvoice

hismastersvoice

Forum veteran
#880
Dec 15, 2020
Master_Plot said:
After I transfer your construct into your body, you will die. it is inevitable, it is imminent
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That refers to V dying from all the messed up stuff in his brain.
 
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