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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 492 42.6%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 115 10.0%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 343 29.7%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 205 17.7%

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lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,121
Dec 31, 2020
SaulTuk said:
No matter how hard to achive your good ending, how many secret condition you will set, people will try to get one and discard the others.
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This is bad?
See how many people here like bad endings. I don't understand them, but if they want them, let them get them.
Why not let others prove themselves in the game, and instead of endless grinding, start working on the ending that he likes.
 
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bcraig6010

Senior user
#9,122
Dec 31, 2020
Rawls said:
I'm pretty confident you could do a 20 minute story heavy prologue for each that gets V back in a healthy body and owing the person who helped her deeply, thus setting off game 2. We already have 3 20 minute prologues. Why not 4 or 5 next time?
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Could? Maybe.
I could see W3 CDPR maybe willing to. But the company willing to ship an unfished game?

Just all the expense in 4/5 separate beginnings all requiring massive amounts of VO and animating work , plus all the added VO/scenes based upon your return
vs.
Expand the lore - V's story is over - new person making a new story in NC/2077 world.

Which do you think the bean counters will choose.
 
SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#9,123
Dec 31, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
The theory of there being a cure in Arizona is pretty much based on magical cards and the words of someone (Panam) who doesn't even understand anything about the condition you have.

It's quite funny how some people actually think that a cure might exist in the desert, but it's understandable at the same time
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I know that entire Cyberpunk is created for and around NC, and the rest of the world is just a scenery, but formally speaking NC is not the only center of science and high-tech in America.
 
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TintelFruit

TintelFruit

Forum regular
#9,124
Dec 31, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
The theory of there being a cure in Arizona is pretty much based on magical cards and the words of someone (Panam) who doesn't even understand anything about the condition you have.

It's quite funny how some people actually think that a cure might exist in the desert, but it's understandable at the same time
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Sure just ignore all the arguments made, why do you feel the need to shit on the ending some people prefer?
 
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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#9,125
Dec 31, 2020
lolic99 said:
This is bad?
See how many people here like bad endings. I don't understand them, but if they want them, let them get them.
Why not let others prove themselves in the game, and instead of endless grinding, start working on the ending that he likes.
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If you prefer this, it's your right. I, for myself, prefer dramatic choice, not choice based on my time and effort, invested in the game. It's like having secret and diffucult quest chain, granting you the option to persuade both Triss and Yen to go threesome with you. Or persuade Ciri that she will be happy as an empress. Or to persuade Dikstra give up his ideals and surrender Redania to Nilfgaard. See my point?
 
lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,126
Dec 31, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
It's quite funny how some people actually think that a cure might exist in the desert, but it's understandable at the same time
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This is theory. You can either agree with it or not. But not prove or disprove.
I see no reason to guess, we have to wait for what the CDPR will come up with.
 
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Rawls

Rawls

Moderator
#9,127
Dec 31, 2020
bcraig6010 said:
Could? Maybe.
I could see W3 CDPR maybe willing to. But the company willing to ship an unfished game?

Just all the expense in 4/5 separate beginnings all requiring massive amounts of VO and animating work , plus all the added VO/scenes based upon your return
vs.
Expand the lore - V's story is over - new person making a new story in NC/2077 world.

Which do you think the bean counters will choose.
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We shall see.
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#9,128
Dec 31, 2020
Rawls said:
I'm pretty confident you could do a 20 minute story heavy prologue for each that gets V back in a healthy body and owing the person who helped her deeply, thus setting off game 2. We already have 3 20 minute prologues. Why not 4 or 5 next time?
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Here's the thing, why are those 20 mins missing from the base game? Why end the game on a sour note, only to disregard that immediately in the next DLC/game?
 
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lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,129
Dec 31, 2020
SaulTuk said:
See my point?
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No.
I just rarely see when players like it when role-playing game creates obstacles for them artificially, lack of choice, game conventions, lack of elaboration.
Well at least not getting stuck in textures.
 
Subenu

Subenu

Forum regular
#9,130
Dec 31, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
The theory of there being a cure in Arizona is pretty much based on magical cards and the words of someone (Panam) who doesn't even understand anything about the condition you have.

It's quite funny how some people actually think that a cure might exist in the desert, but it's understandable at the same time
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Either I misunderstand or others do but never said Panam the cure would be in Arizona. And even if she doesn't really know what V went through her "message" was kinda like this (hope for clarification or correction if it's wrong):
Don't worry, we will find a cure. We know lots of people in Arizona who might be able to help you. They were able to solve issues far worse than your problem. It will be alright.

-Not original but the essence of the message should go like that.

TL;DR
Panam didn't say there is a cure, but she knows people who might know people and solutions to the problem. Kinda like that.
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#9,131
Dec 31, 2020
lolic99 said:
This is theory. You can either agree with it or not. But not prove or disprove.
I see no reason to guess, we have to wait for what the CDPR will come up with.
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I'm not really guessing, I'm just asking those who are. If I wait for CDPR that means that I'm fine with the endings, which is obviously not the case
 
Rawls

Rawls

Moderator
#9,132
Dec 31, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
Here's the thing, why are those 20 mins missing from the base game? Why end the game on a sour note, only to disregard that immediately in the next DLC/game?
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It would be the prologues to the second game.

Because the Climax is taking on Arasaka and separating from Johnny. The next step of healthy body and consequences from seeking it is another story.

It may not turn out to be the case at all ... Vs story could well be done, but it's not hard to see why the current endings would be a natural break point if they decided to continue on with V.

She is one of the most universally praised parts of the game. I dont see a lot of complaints about her characterization at all.
 
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lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,133
Dec 31, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
I'm not really guessing, I'm just asking those who are. If I wait for CDPR that means that I'm fine with the endings, which is obviously not the case
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I am also not satisfied with the endings, but I myself am not going to write new ones, so it remains to wait.
I only dispute the overly categorical interpretation of the open finals. Someone has V already died, someone has already cured. This is strange.
 
SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#9,134
Dec 31, 2020
lolic99 said:
No.
I just rarely see when players like it when role-playing game creates obstacles for them artificially, lack of choice, game conventions, lack of elaboration.
Well at least not getting stuck in textures.
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You want everything will be possible and achievable through time and effort of the player, thus creating your best ending, right?
 
lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,135
Dec 31, 2020
SaulTuk said:
You want everything will be possible and achievable through time and effort of the player, thus creating your best ending, right?
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Ideally, of course. Games need as little artificial restrictions as possible. Unless it's a rail shooter.
I play the game to get away from IRL limitations and to get interest and pleasure, not suffering and pain.
 
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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#9,136
Dec 31, 2020
lolic99 said:
Ideally, of course. Games need as little artificial restrictions as possible. Unless it's a rail shooter.
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And in Witcher 3 that would mean having both Triss and Yen, happy Ciri-empress, Dikstra is okay with Redania occupation, global cooling stopped, etc.
 
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bcraig6010

Senior user
#9,137
Dec 31, 2020
Subenu said:
Either I misunderstand or others do but never said Panam the cure would be in Arizona. And even if she doesn't really know what V went through her "message" was kinda like this (hope for clarification or correction if it's wrong):
Don't worry, we will find a cure. We know lots of people in Arizona who might be able to help you. They were able to solve issues far worse than your problem. It will be alright.

-Not original but the essence of the message should go like that.

TL;DR
Panam didn't say there is a cure, but she knows people who might know people and solutions to the problem. Kinda like that.
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And that is fine. But that works if you choose to with with them and they leave NC. One of six endings.

Other endings imply they are still at NC.

An expansion that focuses on curing a dying V in Arizona would be a darn difficult decision as so many players could not import their V's to the expansion.
As if somehow a dead V in cyberspace makes it back into a body its either:
Arasaka putting her in one
ALT/some AI (merged delamian anyone) getting her back somehow - BUT
the act of getting back into a body would nullify the needing to go to Arizona for a cure.

The fact that the endings are so vastly different would make any expansion very very costly in time for animating and VO work just to incorporate the separate endings.

That and getting over the cognitive dissonance of finding someone who could do it - where arasaka failed and ALT failed

These are some serious hurdles to jump.

Thats not taking into consideration V attacking space station, etc.

and if in NC - is Rogue dead or alive. Can't be both.
Is Rogue or V head of Afterlife.
CEO of Arasaka
Corp War on or off

The sheer number of binary choices involved is staggering. Dying V in her body vs, dead V her engram in cyberspace or even in mikoshi
 
lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,138
Dec 31, 2020
SaulTuk said:
And in Witcher 3 that would mean having both Triss and Yen, happy Ciri-empress, Dikstra is okay with Redania occupation, global cooling stopped, etc.
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I abandoned the witcher, not my setting.
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bcraig6010 said:
And that is fine. But that works if you choose to with with them and they leave NC. One of six endings.

Other endings imply they are still at NC.

An expansion that focuses on curing a dying V in Arizona would be a darn difficult decision as so many players could not import their V's to the expansion.
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What is the problem?
Is it the first time we see anything like that in an RPG? In dlc, the player arrives at some new location, where he came from - who gets f*cked, the issue is solved with a couple of notes.
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#9,139
Dec 31, 2020
Rawls said:
It would be the prologues to the second game.

Because the Climax is taking on Arasaka and separating from Johnny. The next step of healthy body and consequences from seeking it is another story.

It may not turn out to be the case at all ... Vs story could well be done, but it's not hard to see why the current endings would be a natural break point if they decided to continue on with V.

She is one of the most universally praised parts of the game. I dont see a lot of complaints about her characterization at all.
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I see what you mean, I just find it not effective from a storytelling standpoint.

If you end the first game saying that "there is no cure / you will die" and start the second game by "finding a cure", then you are basically saying that what you said earlier was nonsense. It's "bait and switch" and it pretty much undermines the writers' ability.

Imagine in GOT **SPOILERS** they bring back characters like Joffrey or Ned Stark in the next episodes following their deaths, saying that they found a "cure" or any other excuse? The writers would be immediately clowned.

This seems pretty obvious to me which is why I think the endings are final
 
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bcraig6010

Senior user
#9,140
Dec 31, 2020
lolic99 said:
I abandoned the witcher, not my setting.
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What is the problem?
Is it the first time we see anything like that in an RPG? In dlc, the player arrives at some new location, where he came from - who gets f*cked, the issue is solved with a couple of notes.
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Because after spending 80-100 hours trying to survive - to hand waive away accomplishing that, after all V went through only to fail and be dead/dying would be both a shock and a slap in the face

Enter V - street in X city. Big note on screen explaining how V came back from cyberspace into a body and/or found someone to cure V. easy peasy.

My money is not riding on this option.
 
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