[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[AKANexus]

There are literally some endings that can be altered by small cuts to dialogue here or there.

And that, my friend, is how a modding community starts

 

[Simuxas]

Yeah, but as BGM45 said, they are totally commited to make the game work on last-gen and iron-out the bugs, so even if we get a 100% consensus that we need better endings, we still won't get anything for quite some time... Until then, I've read so many people have lost all their will to replay the game after learning about the other endings other than the one they picked that I wouldn't be surprised if most people gave up on the game after 3 or 4 months...

If they would only reply by saying they are going to work on this, I would be much happier.

 

[eriberri]

Many of the YouTubers I find seem reluctant to admit they were wrong about this game now it's out.

I've noticed this too. While all the technical issues for console players are certainly a massive problem, it's like they're purposefully not broaching this subject despite it being the very obvious elephant in the room for anyone who can play the game to the end. Instead they endlessly - and I do mean endlessly - cover the bugs and refunds, and talk about the PC experience as if it's just golden. I mean, maybe all of them really do just love the entire story + endings, but more then that it feels like they don't want to cause a stir, somehow, by being objective about other issues on the table. Let's not forget the outcry when we got served up those ending in ME3, and nobody was keeping quiet about those.

 

[GreyRaconteur]

I've noticed this too. While all the technical issues for console players are certainly a massive problem, it's like they're purposefully not broaching this subject despite it being the very obvious elephant in the room for anyone who can play the game to the end. Instead they endlessly - and I do mean endlessly - cover the bugs and refunds, and talk about the PC experience as if it's just golden. I mean, maybe all of them really do just love the entire story + endings, but more then that it feels like they don't want to cause a stir, somehow, by being objective about other issues on the table. Let's not forget the outcry when we got served up those ending in ME3, and nobody was keeping quiet about those.

I suspect that a lot of YouTubers, beyond what you're saying, are also not talking about it because of how new the game is, and don't want to start making videos on it until it becomes a wider known thing that people are unhappy with.

 

[eriberri]

I suspect that a lot of YouTubers, beyond what you're saying, are also not talking about it because of how new the game is, and don't want to start making videos on it until it becomes a wider known thing that people are unhappy with.

That's a fair point. Although I did find it funny when one Cyberpunk-centric youtube channel was talking about how hopefully DLC would include more weapons and clothing, and I'm thinking 'that's what you'd choose to add in DLC, of all things possible'? lol. But to each his own, I guess!

 

[Motsie]

Well, hopefully not in a DLC but I'd like to see some kind of outfit room where we can choose a style while retaining the function of clothes with good stats. Transmogrification or something.

If they would only reply by saying they are going to work on this, I would be much happier.

Well, I went through their investors meeting transcript and one investor asked what their plans are in regards to criticism surrounding the story and gameplay:

Q9: Hi. I also have three questions. So, we all know that [muffled] on consoles has been disappointing, but could you maybe provide some comments on the PC sales and player feedback – are the sales and the feedback on the PC platform in line with your original expectations? Secondly – other than performance considerations and stability of the game, is there any other player feedback that might be a bit alarming or concerning – like feedback regarding the story or gameplay experience that you potentially might need to focus on? And thirdly – you mentioned you would have another patch in seven days; I’m wondering what improvements will this patch bring. I’m trying to understand if the experience of console players will improve by Christmas.

PN: Hello; Piotr Nielubowicz here. As we mentioned; the initial sales were very good, and that’s what we mostly see by now. We’re still collecting sales results, especially from physical retail channels, but the digital opening – especially on PC – was really good, as we reported on launch day. As far as players’ feedback is concerned, the feedback for the PC edition is by far better than what we’re getting on consoles – but when we read reviews of the PC version we see many comments referring to the console versions, so there’s a bit of a mix among platforms and it’s not always easy to distinguish them.

MI: And with regard to the PC version, this is what the reviewers got – you can check the reviews and our Metacritic score – and of course PCs vary in terms of configuration, so gamers may also have certain problems. We’re reminding everyone at launch about the very recent release of Nvidia graphic drivers which are crucial for our game, because they were developed in coordination with us, but in general PC gamers are enjoying the game a lot and we see very positive comments [on their streams]. So – a lot of positivity and goodwill is coming from this direction. Not that the game is perfect – it’s a gigantic world so at launch there’ll always be some glitches and problems on various configurations, but with regard to the console experience – we already fixed a lot of crashes with the last hotfix, and this time again we will be mostly looking at crashes and game-breaking bugs. I sincerely hope that by Christmas gamers will be able to enjoy the game on consoles; of course the major updates will come in January and February, so, again, we humbly ask gamers to wait – and they’ll be able to have an even better experience then.

 

[MandyZGaming]

That's a fair point. Although I did find it funny when one Cyberpunk-centric youtube channel was talking about how hopefully DLC would include more weapons and clothing, and I'm thinking 'that's what you'd choose to add in DLC, of all things possible'? lol. But to each his own, I guess!

Yeah true. I would want better endings and to make our choices like romances and other stuff matter instead of just extinguishing them after you did/got them.

 

[crawfordman]

A couple friends of mine were complaining about the bugs, and whatnot, and after the 1.04 hotfix, the game got a tad more stable. Everyone was enjoying the game to the fullest. Even I was enduring the bugs and memory leaks from before the 1.04 version because I was so much in love with V and the game. When I got the Arasaka ending, it was sad, ok. It happens. Then I read about how to get the other endings and what they were. That was the exact point the game died to me... I uninstalled the game and gave up on any possibility of replaying the game at all...

dont be so quick to bury it all just yet. keep voicing your feedback tell cdpr what is wrong. if they end up like just like EA then you can "cut 'em loose".

 

[MandyZGaming]

Yeah true. I would want better endings and to make our choices like romances and other stuff matter instead of just extinguishing them after you did/got them.

Plus, after the ending, don´t send us back to the point of no return, give an open space to interact with our romances, jobs, etc.

 

[MeinChurro]

Yup... We all know exactly how you feelin' right now... I've reinstalled the game, started a second playthrough, and dropped it again just after entering V's apartment for the first time...

Same. I haven't even left the apartment of that corpo I made. I woke up and saved in the middle of the room. Haven't touched it for going on 2 days..

 

[BGM45]

Well, hopefully not in a DLC but I'd like to see some kind of outfit room where we can choose a style while retaining the function of clothes with good stats. Transmogrification or something.

I heard talks about all this + barbershops, car customization and dismantling loot right on the enemies being planned as "free DLCs", whatever they mean. it's also reported that they are treating their dummy AI as a bug and working on fixing it too. as much as I want anything story-related, there hundreds of problems they have to solve first to not go belly up in the next several months.

(also, the whole "our AI is dumb because of a bug" reminds me of the infamous "typo in the code made Aliens stupid" debacle with Colonial Marines. how many examples of incompetence can CDPR portray in one release?)

 

[Kyrus]

This takes me back to mass effect...
Mass Effect 1: "Well, there's going to be a 2, it'll get better."
Mass Effect 2: "Ugh, I'm in too deep, surely the 3rd will have an epic cinematic ending that'll justify the hours of playtime."
Mass Effect 3: "Fuck."

 

[MeinChurro]

to be honest the number of game devs i like is growing smaller each day. i hope cdpr dont end up the same fate as the other big boy AAA companies did (as in EA, Take Two, Activision, Ubisoft, etc.) if they do it will be a sad day indeed. as well as the day i "pull the plug" (translation: i take my funding/investments elsewhere customers ARE also investors too! however the grim reality of "all good things come to an end" saying remains true and true) on cdpr that is.

Here's the thing though Ubisoft actually wrote a decent RPG. A better RPG than this game, that's for sure. I played AC valhalla and completed it I think within the same week I started playing this game. That game actually has choice and consequence. Choices you make during your story effect the outcome.

Unless CDPR fixes this mess, you might as well add them to your list.

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I didnet think they would make a game with 0 rpg elements either... Same with bioware/blizzard and everyother gamecompany i have trusted in the past... They all fall eventualy.

I just can't believe it hit CDPR so fast. Somehow they forgot how to make choice and consequence. After the entire Witcher series, I cannot believe THIS is what we got.

 

[Motsie]

I heard talks about all this + barbershops, car customization and dismantling loot right on the enemies being planned as "free DLCs", whatever they mean. it's also reported that they are treating their dummy AI as a bug and working on fixing it too. as much as I want anything story-related, there hundreds of problems they have to solve first to not go belly up in the next several months.

(also, the whole "our AI is dumb because of a bug" reminds me of the infamous "typo in the code made Aliens stupid" debacle with Colonial Marines. how many examples of incompetence can CDPR portray in one release?)

is this coming from the horse's mouth or mostly some rumors from an article? I'm curious to read up on this.

 

[hismastersvoice]

That game actually has choice and consequence. Choices you make during your story effect the outcome.

Okay, yeah, that gave me a good laugh. Thanks.

 

[crawfordman]

Gotta keep hope high, the more people finish the story, the bigger chance we will have to make this thread grow and bring a change.

oh it will believe me. when they beat the game the first time they will do some research and find out all the endings are very sad or nary/barely a trace of happiness.

 

[Melra]

is this coming from the horse's mouth or mostly some rumors from an article? I'm curious to read up on this.

I haven't yet read the whole article, but I assume this might have something to do with it.

PC Gamer: CDPR calls Cyberpunk 2077's current NPC and AI problems 'bugs'

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Marcin Iwiński answers: "So for the first question – whether we’re focusing just on technicalities or gameplay elements; things like AI – for example. To be honest – these are the same for us, from the production standpoint AI and NPC behavior fall within the general category of bugs, so if I can give you an answer – I think it does actually include that as well.
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[Simuxas]

Here's the thing though Ubisoft actually wrote a decent RPG. A better RPG than this game, that's for sure. I played AC valhalla and completed it I think within the same week I started playing this game. That game actually has choice and consequence. Choices you make during your story effect the outcome.

Unless CDPR fixes this mess, you might as well add them to your list.

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I just can't believe it hit CDPR so fast. Somehow they forgot how to make choice and consequence. After the entire Witcher series, I cannot believe THIS is what we got.

I wouldn't say Valhalla is better rpg, not even close, but people have different tastes. What kills CP2077 is taht the ending choices don't appeal to most of the people at all, so it breaks RPG element quite hard.

 

[MeinChurro]

also, maybe I missed something, but what effect does telling Dex about Evelyn's offer to screw him up have? I ratted Evelyn out and saw no consequences whatsoever.

Lol nothing. It's another fake choice in CB2077. Like the rest of the game.

 

[eriberri]

This takes me back to mass effect...
Mass Effect 1: "Well, there's going to be a 2, it'll get better."
Mass Effect 2: "Ugh, I'm in too deep, surely the 3rd will have an epic cinematic ending that'll justify the hours of playtime."
Mass Effect 3: "Fuck."

You didn't like the first two ME's? Honestly, they were gold for me, even most of ME3 was great, besides not being able to save Thane, Jacob being the worst kind of unfaithful POS, and of course, those endings.

I just can't believe it hit CDPR so fast. Somehow they forgot how to make choice and consequence. After the entire Witcher series, I cannot believe THIS is what we got.

My belief, and what evidence seems to show, is that they cut a lot of content to release on Dec 10. Maybe we'll see it added back in later (I truly hope so). I think the fact that they were REALLY talking up how your choices matter is further evidence that they cut back, considering what we got in the 'finished' product. I'm hoping that CDPR aren't just another Paradox, who are famously known for cutting core features from their game just so they can offer them as overpriced expansion DLCs later on.