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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 492 42.6%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 115 10.0%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 343 29.7%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 205 17.7%

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lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,181
Dec 31, 2020
superdemus said:
I'm all about happy endings, so I was only trying to suggest something.
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Me too, I just don't like it when I have to speculate on them in an AAA game. However, I do not like this - oddly enough it is said, since I am doing this for the first time. I don't remember such a failure with the endings, ME3 was surpassed.
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#9,182
Dec 31, 2020
zeemanefekti said:
A lot of characters are not touched by endings or their fate is not really clear unless they are heavily part of the ending chosen.

It should be totally possible to write continuation to the story with certain quest lines just not being available if the character in it were killed in the ending chosen for the base game. Just introduce enough new characters and have the alive or dead characters stand on the sidelines or not, depending on what happened to them. This way only some of the endings are not canon and most could be.

Witcher has a story spanning three games, where some character either are present or not. How is it impossible for CP77?
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I would have liked for that to be the case, but I'm just basing my opinion on what in front of me and not hope.

V is not the main character in the game, Johnny is, and V doesn't get to have a happy ending, Johnny does.

There is no reason to believe that cdpr would change how they view V, they must have ideas in mind for other characters. That is not a reason to leave the base game as it is now though
 
lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,183
Dec 31, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
V is not the main character in the game, Johnny is, and V doesn't get to have a happy ending
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If these freaks had said that at 2, and not at 110 hours of play, I would have had time to make a refund.
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#9,184
Dec 31, 2020
lolic99 said:
If these freaks had said that at 2, and not at 110 hours of play, I would have had time to make a refund.
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Bamboozled.
 
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Barsenthor

Barsenthor

Senior user
#9,185
Dec 31, 2020
zeemanefekti said:
A lot of characters are not touched by endings or their fate is not really clear unless they are heavily part of the ending chosen.

It should be totally possible to write continuation to the story with certain quest lines just not being available if the character in it were killed in the ending chosen for the base game. Just introduce enough new characters and have the alive or dead characters stand on the sidelines or not, depending on what happened to them. This way only some of the endings are not canon and most could be.

Witcher has a story spanning three games, where some character either are present or not. How is it impossible for CP77?
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Characters yes. stuff like Arasaka/Militech no. It’s like choosing in the TW3 is Emphyr alive or not or Redania exists or not.
lolic99 said:
Me too, I just don't like it when I have to speculate on them in an AAA game. However, I do not like this - oddly enough it is said, since I am doing this for the first time. I don't remember such a failure with the endings, ME3 was surpassed.
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On Skyrim forum threads were like “Empire vs Stormcloaks” “story of Alduin” “how the future war Aldmeri Dominin will look like”
Same on FO4 “Minutemen vs BoS” “Valentine is such a great character” “Shoun was a little bit forced”
TW3 “Ciri empress vs Ciri Witcher” and so on..

Then there were ME forum and now is CP77.
 
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zeemanefekti

zeemanefekti

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#9,186
Dec 31, 2020
Barsenthor said:
Characters yes. stuff like Arasaka/Militech no. It’s like choosing in the TW3 is Emphyr alive or not or Redania exists or not.

On Skyrim forum threads were like “Empire vs Stormcloaks” “story of Alduin” “how the future war Aldmeri Dominin will look like”
Same on FO4 “Minutemen vs BoS” “Valentine is such a great character” “Shoun was a little bit forced”

Then there were ME forum and now is CP77.
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We will just have to see. Hopefully everyone will be here to defend their points of view laid out today once we see what CDPR actually does with the story DLCs/expansions.
 
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onosendai7

onosendai7

Senior user
#9,187
Dec 31, 2020
lolic99 said:
It is impossible with the current level of technology to clearly "explain" how it works. Especially not for scientists but for simple players. This is a convention to be accepted. Like the existence of a time machine or hyperdrive. Instead of pretending to be Einsteins.
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The convention to be accepted is to respect the background of the game your video game comes from. I don't need an explanation for the tech in cyberpunk, or any-other genre, as I don't need an explanation for magic in fantasy settings. I simply observe that CDPR takes a shortcut to avoid the obvious ending of immortality in the net.

lolic99 said:
6 months is a completely open ending for me.
There is no need to rush and kill your character. You can still do all kinds of nonsense in the city. Or go through the story, but first saved in many slots.
Then wait for the dlc with the ending and go through it for real.
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Well, it's not for me. 6 months of decaying and slowly losing your mind is not an open ending. V's got a fit each time 24h revolve in game time, and it's not going to improve.
The good way to play that game is first, clean the map and second, go for the story.
And I don't believe there will be a DLC, considering the large amount of stuff lacking or cut from the game.
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Willowhugger said:
Repeating this doesn't make it true. Why do you keep saying this?

1. Nomad: You go off to find a cure and according to the player's desire, probably do.
2. Arasaka: You become immortal.

It doesn't make any sense and is just weird.
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So let's agree we disagree. You want to see hope where I don't see any.
 
I_Willenbrock_I

I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#9,188
Dec 31, 2020
So. Either the arasaka ending is canon or the other two "survival" outcomes are.

Why? In the arasaka outcome, V's brain was diced and nobody mentioned even the vague possibility for a cure. In addition, johnny silverhand is gone.

On the contrary, V has the possibility of a cure mentioned in the other 2 "survival" endings. In both of these endings, the world looks more or less the same. Johnny silverhand is at alts side and given what a pain in the ass he is, I highly doubt he would not say alt what he thinks.

It would. Be relatively easy to continue the story of V from those 2 outcomes.
All engram endings (bar arasaka) could be used as a starting point as well. Although I would like to see the motivation behind V returning to the realm of the breathing...
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#9,189
Dec 31, 2020
lolic99 said:
If these freaks had said that at 2, and not at 110 hours of play, I would have had time to make a refund.
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Cdpr have shown that they are directing their attention towards multiplayer and microtransactions, but I'll be happy knowing that it will most likely be a failure

You don't get to have GTA Online's success without having a fraction of the fundamentals that made the game great in the first place
 
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lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,190
Dec 31, 2020
Barsenthor said:
Then there were ME forum and now is CP77.
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I'm not talking about the forum, I'm talking about the game.
Why should I speculate endings instead of playing them?
This is a shitty move.
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#9,191
Dec 31, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
Cdpr have shown that they are directing their attention towards multiplayer and microtransactions, but I'll be happy knowing that it will most likely be a failure

You don't get to have GTA Online's success without having a fraction of the fundamentals that made the game great in the first place
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Indeed, gta 5 was released with all content and working fine.
While CP2077....
 
rippercityransom

rippercityransom

Forum regular
#9,192
Dec 31, 2020
You can also be in both camps: believing there will be post-credit DLC/future V content and thinking this was a poor ending.

Act 2 DLC would require Keanu to come back for voice lines unless they put in a bit about taking the pills to suppress Johnny which would be so transparent as to be insulting. Post-credit would mean not needing to bother with it at all, which makes sense.

But also I’m burnt out on playing terminal V looking for a cure. The endings set you up for content doing more of the same and there’s still not a guarantee they’d give you a cure or a new body at the end, kicking off the next wave of grumbling. Carrot on a stick, except when you think you figured it out they just hit you with the stick and it wasn’t actually a carrot but some orange styrofoam.

Also obligatory observation regarding the massive approval of the endings on Reddit/YouTube: a Venn diagram of the people that chose the romanced Panam/Judy camping trip ending and people who think the endings are perfectly hopeful is very nearly a circle.
 
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onosendai7

onosendai7

Senior user
#9,193
Dec 31, 2020
Willowhugger said:
Besides, V is an active force for good(ishness) in Night City.

Six more months means lots of lives saved and the world becoming a better place for their presence even in the story where they don't leave with the Aldecados and live a long happy life after they get a cure through whatever means they do.
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Are you kidding ?
V is a mercenary. V kills, abduct steals anything or anyone for eddies.
The only thing CDPR cared to put in the game is some gigs against criminal (and NCPD is quite a criminal gang, corrupt as it is). If CDPR had played San Andreas, there would have been some missions to become a kingpin in Night City, and that would fit the setting perfectly.
V. is not a force of good, V's interests are selfish.
NC is not a better place. V has probably the highest body count of the city, but each and every gangman or criminal V offed is replaced in the instant.
Of course, you can always refuse some job because it does not suit your morale. That does not mean V is a character of goodness. That only means that your way of playing V is balanced that way.
 
Barsenthor

Barsenthor

Senior user
#9,194
Dec 31, 2020
I_Willenbrock_I said:
So. Either the arasaka ending is canon or the other two "survival" outcomes are.

Why? In the arasaka outcome, V's brain was diced and nobody mentioned even the vague possibility for a cure. In addition, johnny silverhand is gone.

On the contrary, V has the possibility of a cure mentioned in the other 2 "survival" endings. In both of these endings, the world looks more or less the same. Johnny silverhand is at alts side and given what a pain in the ass he is, I highly doubt he would not say alt what he thinks.

It would. Be relatively easy to continue the story of V from those 2 outcomes.
All engram endings (bar arasaka) could be used as a starting point as well. Although I would like to see the motivation behind V returning to the realm of the breathing...
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it won’t be relatively easy since going with the canon ending will make this game choice less.
Not to mention that every other than Arasaka ending is completely optional. You want to plays this game as a shooter/adventure game? Do a fast run? Sorry, no DLC for you.
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#9,195
Dec 31, 2020
rippercityransom said:
You can also be in both camps: believing there will be post-credit DLC/future V content and thinking this was a poor ending.

Act 2 DLC would require Keanu to come back for voice lines unless they put in a bit about taking the pills to suppress Johnny which would be so transparent as to be insulting. Post-credit would mean not needing to bother with it at all, which makes sense.

But also I’m burnt out on playing terminal V looking for a cure. The endings set you up for content doing more of the same and there’s still not a guarantee they’d give you a cure or a new body at the end, kicking off the next wave of grumbling. Carrot on a stick, except when you think you figured it out they just hit you with the stick and it wasn’t actually a carrot but some orange styrofoam.
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If you kill Dex, you can have a new story without having to deal with Johnny at all. I believe this was cut from the game as one of the trailers shows V shooting Dex
rippercityransom said:
Also obligatory observation regarding the massive approval of the endings on Reddit/YouTube: a Venn diagram of the people that chose the romanced Panam/Judy camping trip ending and people who think the endings are perfectly hopeful is very nearly a circle.
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That is a fact, not just Reddit you can see it here and on Twitch also
 
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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#9,196
Dec 31, 2020
onosendai7 said:
Are you kidding ?
V is a mercenary. V kills, abduct steals anything or anyone for eddies.
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You may have played them that way but that's not the way I did. I suppose the RPG elements come into play them.

The only thing CDPR cared to put in the game is some gigs against criminal (and NCPD is quite a criminal gang, corrupt as it is). If CDPR had played San Andreas, there would have been some missions to become a kingpin in Night City, and that would fit the setting perfectly.
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This is true but thankfully you have a choice on how you want to play.

V. is not a force of good, V's interests are selfish.
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Unless you play them as having a Pax Mod, avoiding harming civilians, and protecting the innocent when you find them in trouble.

NC is not a better place. V has probably the highest body count of the city, but each and every gangman or criminal V offed is replaced in the instant.
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I killed five people in the game total.

Of course, you can always refuse some job because it does not suit your morale. That does not mean V is a character of goodness. That only means that your way of playing V is balanced that way.
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You realize you can kill less people in Night City than pretty much the whole of gaming, right?
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tRYSIS3 said:
If you kill Dex, you can have a new story without having to deal with Johnny at all. I believe this was cut from the game as one of the trailers shows V shooting Dex
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Mike Pondsmith said the original pitch was a story about Johnny and Alt Cunningham plus Johnny's death, so that is not going to change anything. If you kill Dex then undoubtedly you'd still do the deal for Evelyn. Either that or you killed Dex AFTER his betrayal. Either way, they made it simpler and the entire game is about the story of saving your life.

That is a fact, not just Reddit you can see it here and on Twitch also
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I'm pretty sure that you have created a somewhat bizarre equation here.

1. Killing the guy you have an option to cut out of the deal.
2. ???
3. Removing the entire plot of the game.

My assumption is Goro didn't originally kill Dex and you had the option to kill him.
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#9,197
Dec 31, 2020
onosendai7 said:
Are you kidding ?
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That was pretty funny, I did laugh
 
MandyZGaming

MandyZGaming

Forum regular
#9,198
Dec 31, 2020
Simuxas said:
Bad for Geralt but its good for the world. All of witcher 3 endings have more or less equal tradeoff.
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That´s more or less what I want though. V be cured and have a happy romance life(able for all the 4 options), but NC still controlled by Arasaka. Good for V, bad for NC
 
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Barsenthor

Barsenthor

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#9,199
Dec 31, 2020
rippercityransom said:
You can also be in both camps: believing there will be post-credit DLC/future V content and thinking this was a poor ending.

Act 2 DLC would require Keanu to come back for voice lines unless they put in a bit about taking the pills to suppress Johnny which would be so transparent as to be insulting. Post-credit would mean not needing to bother with it at all, which makes sense.

But also I’m burnt out on playing terminal V looking for a cure. The endings set you up for content doing more of the same and there’s still not a guarantee they’d give you a cure or a new body at the end, kicking off the next wave of grumbling. Carrot on a stick, except when you think you figured it out they just hit you with the stick and it wasn’t actually a carrot but some orange styrofoam.

Also obligatory observation regarding the massive approval of the endings on Reddit/YouTube: a Venn diagram of the people that chose the romanced Panam/Judy camping trip ending and people who think the endings are perfectly hopeful is very nearly a circle.
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For the vast majority of people the endings are not bad since most of them believe that they are not the endings just a cliffhanger, because what sane person would consider the end of the story to be either a suicide or slow painful death in the curse of the 6mo. And this is without mentioning current pandemic and biggest economic crisis since WW2.
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#9,200
Dec 31, 2020
Willowhugger said:
they made it simpler and the entire game is about the story of saving your life.
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They made it a gimmick* and since you couldn't save your life they made a pointless story
Willowhugger said:
Removing the entire plot of the game.
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I'm sure there are many other plots they could have come up with besides the one we got
 
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